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Wouldnt say jose caused him to take a year out, hes been working full time as a player, coach or manager now for 22 years straight a year off seems only fair.
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Wouldnt say jose caused him to take a year out, hes been working full time as a player, coach or manager now for 22 years straight a year off seems only fair.
I doubt he'd have taken a year off had he just kept dominating with Barca. A move to another club? Perhaps, but not a year off. As it happened, the first real blow to Pep's image directly precedes him leaving and taking a year off, which I reckon is a little too coincidental.
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hmmm most people take a couple years off after they finish playing pep did not, i dont think pep is the sort of person to back down and run away from a challange. If mourinho took charge of chelsea next year and fergie retired, you wouldnt say he ran from jose cos hes been at utd for 27 years or something with no break.
Jose didnt really get the best of him either winning only 1 league title 1 copa del rey and no ECL. If mourinho had come in and won everything then yeah pep bowing out would look like him running. And with speculation saying mourinho is in his last season in spain? why would he leave and take a year off only to probally join the epl where mourinho is rumoured to be heading?
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Meh, how do we know? I'm not willing to base his personality on one incident, but so far it'd probably lean towards him actually being a quitter, if anything.
No, but mainly because Fergie's been at United 27 years and has seen off all comers. I wouldn't say he ran from Jose because he didn't before and never has in his entire managerial career.
Barca's dominance was unprecedented prior to Jose's arrival, winning trophies at huge rates. Pellegrini's Madrid sacrificed all other competitions just in order to compete in La Liga, and still didn't win. Then Mourinho came in, improved on all fronts in his first season (and won a trophy, proving his team could directly compete with Barca) and then took the league by storm in his second. It's not as simple as saying "oh he only won 2 trophies". You need to consider the context in which he did. He managed to beat a team often lauded as the best club side of all time. Given that Pep had been bedded in for years at his club, had the full backing of fans and board, a team that literally cannot be matched in cohesiveness and playing style, and a lot of previous experience at winning trophies, I'd say Mourinho even coming close was a small victory, let alone winning the league outright.
But more amusingly, let's just consider the idea that Mourinho came in, won SOMEthing (markedly not 'everything', as you said) and AS SOON AS HE DID Pep cried and ran away because he knew he was beaten. It would lend much more credence to the argument that he is a quitter, no? Not saying I believe it or put it forward as my own view at all, but it's an interesting take on things.
Oh, and Mourinho wasn't rumoured to be joining anyone when Pep quit. He was on course to win the league for Madrid, why would he leave? Or, if we look at it another way, Mourinho has been rumoured to be moving to just about everyone whenever rumours have surfaced. Why would Pep lend more credence to one rumour than another?
To clarify my original position, to which I still stand: I do prefer to see United winning titles, generally, if their opposition consists of Chelsea and City like it normally does. However, if Pep were to succeed Fergie and Mourinho came back to Chelsea, I can without a doubt say I'd want Jose to win. I'd want him to win to prove he's a better manager, I'd want him to win because he's just more amusing, and I'd want him to win because seeing all the tears roll down the 'BUT JOSE DUZZENT PLAY THE BEWTIFUL GAEM' brigade would be most excellent.
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To draw a literal line under that particular discussion, Chelsea's performance was encouraging tonight. Torres looks like a totally different prospect against European opposition, and I'm not entirely sure why. I mean yes, tonight there was comical defending, but often his movement and eye for goal looks much sharper on the European stage.
Vic impressed too. I reckon he could well deserve a few starts in the league, since he offers something different and isn't the eternally-lazy Marko Marin. Unlike the other two attackers in Chelsea's band of three behind Torres (and arguably Torres himself) he prefers direct running and wants to be the man on the end of killer pass rather than the one playing it. He's a very vertical player, and offers some natural width to Chelsea high up the pitch. He might be worth a try against a team who are looking to come on to Chelsea, whereas the Hazard/Mata/Oscar triumvirate might perhaps work better to break down deep-lying teams.
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each to their own, we're not going to agree on the jose pep situation, but one thing i would say is there have been rumours about jose leaving since before pep left heavily especially to chelsea after avb, and at first i thought pep left to make sure he would get the utd job ahead of jose, but now i think he wanted a break fulstop, i also find it hard to understand how you can call someone with peps playing career a quitter im not sure how much you know about him as a player but it would be reasonable to consider he hasnt changed his mindset when going into management to drastically. mourinho is a great manager i would say if he wins the champs league with rmardid this season one of the best ever but he is a quitter in the sense he doesnt build legacys at clubs he is just in it for himself.
anyway could take for days about this but we digress
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this is going to sound like im disagreeing to be a **** but i didnt think torres had a particularly good game same old movement but with extra poor defending and his goals were a mixture of lucky deflections and poor defending.
but mata is quickly proving to be one of the best players in the prem his touch and technique is magnificant and his passing and vision wouldnt be out of place in well the spanish team
moses looked good once more seems to be outplaying hazard at the moment who seems to be lacking confidence.
anyway could take for days about this but we digress
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this is going to sound like im disagreeing to be a **** but i didnt think torres had a particularly good game same old movement but with extra poor defending and his goals were a mixture of lucky deflections and poor defending.
but mata is quickly proving to be one of the best players in the prem his touch and technique is magnificant and his passing and vision wouldnt be out of place in well the spanish team
moses looked good once more seems to be outplaying hazard at the moment who seems to be lacking confidence.
My one fear about Guardiola is how much he resembles Sacchi, not only in the many positives about his approach, but also in the intensity and subsequent burnout. I think it was to either you or the other nick during his second season that I feared he would burn out.
Guardiola being compared to Sacchi? SACRILEGE!
Yeah, we agreed he was certainly at risk of it. We'll see whether that holds true, mind.
Yeah you're right, Guardiola is obviously better.
Just admit that you enjoy watching four 90-kilo defenders playing ping-pong with Oscar's head.
Oh criticise away i couldn't care less, it was just funny thats all.
For using abusive language on a pitch. Anton Ferdinand gets what for using abusive language on a pitch towards JT??? Consistency and the FA being bought up in the same argument again!
For abusive and violent actions towards a ref. he chased him down the tunnel. The fact that this is mitigated tells you how bad his actions were. Not even the same comparision. There is a sliding scale.
No surprise Mike, a United fan, is backing the Ferguson Association over this. Appalling ban and fine. #JusticeForMikel
Such a joke.
Not once did i say "Mikel doesn't deserve this ban" as quite clearly he does. I'd love to know how the FA come to believe that sending a tweet slating them and a player swearing at a ref is more punishable than a racist tweet.
I'm on your side, you plank.
Hard to see what's sarcasm or not on the net lol, apologies.
No way.
I'm with Mike, doesn't matter what was or wasn't said to a player chasing the ref down the tunnel and into his dressing room is never smart.
I can understand why he did it and the fact that they reduced the ban shows they can understand why too, it was just a stupid thing for him to do with a lack of evidence for doing so.