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You would probably think I am crazy but I honestly feel someone like Mauricio Pochettino would not be the worst candidate for the Chelsea job...

He had an excellent couple of seasons at Espanoyal where they were predicted for relegation each time yet he managed to make them stay up comfortably before being prematurely sacked.

He played some really nice Barcelona-esque football there which Pep Guardiola acknowledged. Not to mention he brought through several youth team players and did well with them. Quite young for a manager as well.

As I said earlier, the rate at which we go through managers means its really the unproven/unemployed for us and this guy is surely worth a punt??

You've been here before, with AVB. Fired him.
 
I've never said he has done no wrong. But you openly criticise him on things that just are not backed up. I think its fair to say I'm not the only one who has pointed this out.

How are they not backed up? Subs and timing of subs is that not backed up? Lack of motivational skills is that not backed up?

Actually, I never answered yours because I was busy waiting for an answer to the question I have asked over and over again for a long time now.

Firstly, Di Matteo didn't have to contend with the ACON. Secondly, as I said earlier, it's not that Chelsea are playing worse, it's that the other teams around them have stepped up and are playing better. Spurs' early season form wasn't as good as their current form. United and City have stepped up and begun to pull away from the pack. Also, plenty of auxiliary reasons: injuries, fatigue, and so on and so forth.

But besides, this is totally ******* irrelevant. Comparing Di Matteo favourably to Rafa doesn't make Rafa a bad manager, nor does it make Di Matteo a better one. What you're saying is that Rafa's useless, which isn't true. Unless, of course, Di Matteo is only slightly less useless, since his record this season is only marginally better?

Now, I've answered your question. Please answer mine. How is Rafa tactically inept?

Like you said earlier he has one way of playing and it has been a success at some places but a failure at others but he cannot change it because. That is someone who is tactically inept someone who is so pig headed that their system will work regardless and even when results and performances prove it isn't working he cannot and will not change anything. You can't use the African nations as an excuse as we have only misses Mikel and Moses for the past 3 odd games and the poor results/performances came before then. Yes Spurs, Utd and City have been playing better but we don't play them every week do we so that's a poor argument. With the exception of JT we have had no major injuries this season so that argument goes out the window and as i said Rafa has a quality striker to work with which Robbie didn't.
 
How are they not backed up? Subs and timing of subs is that not backed up? Lack of motivational skills is that not backed up?



Like you said earlier he has one way of playing and it has been a success at some places but a failure at others but he cannot change it because. That is someone who is tactically inept someone who is so pig headed that their system will work regardless and even when results and performances prove it isn't working he cannot and will not change anything. You can't use the African nations as an excuse as we have only misses Mikel and Moses for the past 3 odd games and the poor results/performances came before then. Yes Spurs, Utd and City have been playing better but we don't play them every week do we so that's a poor argument. With the exception of JT we have had no major injuries this season so that argument goes out the window and as i said Rafa has a quality striker to work with which Robbie didn't.

Lack of motivational skills isnt apparent at all, since the players have actually player well and happy at times, and frankly players should be able to turn up, that's the difference between United and you. And the late timing of subs, is hardly the sole reason for your issues, **** its not even a major factor.

You've misunderstood Godcubed point, its nothing to do with paying those clubs, he is talking about form, they simply have far better form than you

See Carl, this is exactly what I'm talking about. You don't seem to understand that Chelsea have nothing to change it to! Tell me, please, what change should he make?

Mikel and Moses gone, you do realise that is your only real DMC and the only player in the attacking band who can supply any semblance of width gone! Thats actually a huge blow, its got **** all to do with being tactically inept.
 
I would like to see us try some different formations. I know we can't play a lot of them to their full effectiveness, but we're certainly not playing the 4-2-3-1 to anywhere near its potential so why have a more diverse approach?
 
I would like to see us try some different formations. I know we can't play a lot of them to their full effectiveness, but we're certainly not playing the 4-2-3-1 to anywhere near its potential so why have a more diverse approach?

Because you dont have the players for any other formations. No Essien, Mikel, Moses, Meireles. Could have made a switch to 4-3-3 otherwise. Chelsea playing 4-4-2 would be hilarious, your flimsy mid would be destroyed. 4-3-2-1 would leave you even more dependent on width from the full backs, which you only currently get from one player (Azpilicueta).

And Carl, Godcubed NEVER SAID he had one way of playing, he has one primary formation; the 4-2-3-1, but he plays them very differently from club to club, and wasn't afraid to mix the shape. That is absolutely not the same thing as having one way of playing. And it was a success at the majority of his clubs

4-2-3-1 is the best of a bad situation.
 
Because you dont have the players for any other formations. No Essien, Mikel, Moses, Meireles. Could have made a switch to 4-3-3 otherwise. Chelsea playing 4-4-2 would be hilarious, your flimsy mid would be destroyed. 4-3-2-1 would leave you even more dependent on width from the full backs, which you only currently get from one player (Azpilicueta).

4-2-3-1 is the best of a bad situation.

But the problems you listed are already massive issues for us. I'm not suggesting that we change for the sake of it, but in games where a tactical switch would be useful, it would be nice to see Rafa at least try it.
 
But the problems you listed are already massive issues for us. I'm not suggesting that we change for the sake of it, but in games where a tactical switch would be useful, it would be nice to see Rafa at least try it.

But none of them would in all fairness look like switches for the better. And Rafa is hardly in a forgiving enviroment to make such drastic changes. He's not done much wrong, but he currently cant do too much right, there is at the relative level, very little to work with. Which makes your lack of signings mental.
 
Lack of transfers clearly shows Benitez is here just for a few months. Roman probably told him: "Yea, everybody moaned about Torres - I brought you Ba. Oh, and another thing, no more transfers mate so just finish in the top 4 and we can shake hands in the summer".
 
Lack of transfers clearly shows Benitez is here just for a few months. Roman probably told him: "Yea, everybody moaned about Torres - I brought you Ba. Oh, and another thing, no more transfers mate so just finish in the top 4 and we can shake hands in the summer".

The one thing going for Chelsea is Arsenal's ability to shoot themselves in the foot, but they are excellent at getting top 4. You need Nigeria out and Mikel and Moses back.
 
The one thing going for Chelsea is Arsenal's ability to shoot themselves in the foot, but they are excellent at getting top 4. You need Nigeria out and Mikel and Moses back.

True, plus, Spurs will be pushing as well. It will be very tough, I don't even want to think about it.
 
I think chelsea fans should look at the blackburn situation, I think if they hadn't had such a negative environment they would have probably stayed up you don't win at old trafford if you don't have something about you. But every home game you could see the lack of confidence due to the atmosphere. Of course fans are entitled to their opinion and can voice said opinion because they pay their money. However when its starts becoming detrimental to the whole team its pointless.
 
Lack of motivational skills isnt apparent at all, since the players have actually player well and happy at times, and frankly players should be able to turn up, that's the difference between United and you. And the late timing of subs, is hardly the sole reason for your issues, **** its not even a major factor.

You've misunderstood Godcubed point, its nothing to do with paying those clubs, he is talking about form, they simply have far better form than you

See Carl, this is exactly what I'm talking about. You don't seem to understand that Chelsea have nothing to change it to! Tell me, please, what change should he make?

Mikel and Moses gone, you do realise that is your only real DMC and the only player in the attacking band who can supply any semblance of width gone! Thats actually a huge blow, its got **** all to do with being tactically inept.

He from my point of view is not a great manager and that is it. He and Chelsea was never going to work even if he was a great manager because he is hated so much. Mikel and Moses have only been gone a little while and the poor results/performances started before then! In your opinion he is great and you love seeing Chelsea in a rut of course you do why wouldn't you? In my opinion he is not a top manager any more, was but not any more. That can happen you know? What's excuses have you lined up for him for his time at Inter?
 
I think chelsea fans should look at the blackburn situation, I think if they hadn't had such a negative environment they would have probably stayed up you don't win at old trafford if you don't have something about you. But every home game you could see the lack of confidence due to the atmosphere. Of course fans are entitled to their opinion and can voice said opinion because they pay their money. However when its starts becoming detrimental to the whole team its pointless.

How many times! That is NOT the case!!!! If anything SB suffers from a lack of atmosphere than anything else! Anti Rafa chants are only vocal in away games not home games!
 
He from my point of view is not a great manager and that is it. He and Chelsea was never going to work even if he was a great manager because he is hated so much. Mikel and Moses have only been gone a little while and the poor results/performances started before then! In your opinion he is great and you love seeing Chelsea in a rut of course you do why wouldn't you? In my opinion he is not a top manager any more, was but not any more. That can happen you know? What's excuses have you lined up for him for his time at Inter?

OK if you are just going to come out with nonsense like this, I'm just going to ignore you.
 
How many times! That is NOT the case!!!! If anything SB suffers from a lack of atmosphere than anything else! Anti Rafa chants are only vocal in away games not home games!

You say this but things like booing torres, chanting RDM's name on whichever minute, all the anti rafa placards and there has been chants you can hear them on TV. Maybe its not as bad as made out but what you have to consider into the argument is the actual media coverage chelsea are a worldwide club. You get one picture of an Rafa out placard it ends up in ten newspapers then the following day another 20 etc. Then lets say a game live on tv sky's microphone near home fans you can hear one anti rafa chant for even twenty seconds thats millions of people who have heard it. I get what you are saying about the misrepresentation of the chelsea fans but surely you can see from the wider picture how there is a negative atmosphere around the club?
 
True, plus, Spurs will be pushing as well. It will be very tough, I don't even want to think about it.

Chelsea haven't been at their spark since the 5-6 games which lead to Di Matteo's sacking. Partly because Chelsea are so one dimensional (regardless of manager) that if you can absorb their attacks and deal with the quality of player, they are actually left with very little. That is the difference between Chelsea and the other top sides, even Arsenal.
 
OK if you are just going to come out with nonsense like this, I'm just going to ignore you.

Probably best if your coming out with nonsense defending him no matter what happens. I don't blame him for everything but you blame him for nothing. Its everyone else's fault even the fans before him, shocking!
 
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