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Do the Daily Mirror proof read their paper before they publish it? As you will never guess who they gave the MoTM to in the Napoli - Chelsea game:

Wayne Rooney - Hatrick hero torn gunners apart.

oO)

Did I miss this game?
 
Im not necaserally a big fan of chelsea but i hope for their sake that they keep avb. If he sells terry, lamps, cech, boswinga and co. And were to bring in players like hazard, gotze, vertongham etc and abro would start investing far more heavily in the youth setup they could start a renewable system which doesnt rely on a sugar daddy but which uses one. If they were to buy a bunch of 22-26 year olds and a bunch of 16-18 year olds they could play a strong youngish team which would have players coming in every year from their youth and so have a constant stream of potential stars to fill the spaces left by the departing/older/injured players.
 
If SAF was here this wouldn't have happened in the first place.


Apparently it will cost over 30million to sack him. Which is what they would lose from the CL. I cant see them sacking him to be frank now
 
Apparently it will cost over 30million to sack him. Which is what they would lose from the CL. I cant see them sacking him to be frank now

I think it was 30m when you factor what it took to bring him plus what it'll take to sack him. Not sure though.
 
I think it was 30m when you factor what it took to bring him plus what it'll take to sack him. Not sure though.

I heard it was stand alone, either way, when you then figure the cost of bringing another manager in, bearing in mind these all count in FFP, it makes sacking him unlikely tbh, barring the most spectular collapse i feel
 
I heard it was stand alone, either way, when you then figure the cost of bringing another manager in, bearing in mind these all count in FFP, it makes sacking him unlikely tbh, barring the most spectular collapse i feel

It's a lot of money, but the same or perhaps more would be lost if Chelsea fail to enter next years' CL. One way or the other it's gonna hurt.
 
I assume you'd be fitting Ferreira, Lampard and Kalou with the first two groups as well. That would mean getting rid of 10 players all in one go, among them their goalkeeper, their best 2 defenders, and arguably their best forward (Drogba) and central midfielder (Essien, although I realy like Ramires). That would be pretty **** hard to replace, and I'm not sure that youngsters that have barely played so far like Bertrand, Lukaku or McEachran (Personally I'd also name Piazon who looks quite the talent and fairly level headed as well) will be ready to fill those gaps.

On your Newcastle comment, funnily enough I raised that exact same point several months ago (Probably a couple hundred pages back...). Cabaye or Ba would probably do wonders. You could also add the likes of Pjanic or Vidal to the bargain list.

I don't really mind Lampard. I think he's getting to the stage in his career where he is going to be a rotation player. Granted he is on a fucket load of wages, but he is still decent on his day.

I wouldn't get rid of them all at the same time, but rather phase them out. The first three would be the ones I would be looking to replace sooner rather than later, and then the latter four phased out over the next 3 seasons or so, depending on Essiens fitness. Ferreira is a good enough back up, and he can't be on massive wages, if he is, then they might as well ship him out also. Kalou is plain awful, and I am surprised he hasn't been sold already to be honest.

If you look at it, they could have a team of:

-------------Courtois--------
Ivanovic - Cahill - Luiz - Cole-
--------------Mikel ----------
-------Ramires ----Miereles--
Sturridge --------------- Mata
-----------Torres------------

So it's a pretty decent team, obviously they wouldn't be able to have it this season, because
Courtois is still away, but they could replace Cech (who has been shaky this season) in the summer with him. The bench would consist of Lukaku/Bertrand/McEachran/Lampard/Ferreira + players they could sign in the summer to back up the first team or drop Luiz/Cahill to the bench and bring in a dominating CB, someone like Dede from Vasco who is young, good in the air and on the floor and quick. Also quite tall. Basically they need a younger quicker John Terry, and I don't think that's Cahill. Maybe even Samba would do a good job for them, he is only 27 (or 28) and is obviously settled in the Prem. If Blackburn go down, I imagine he would be pretty cheap (10-15m max).

On the attacking front, you would hope that front three would get you some goals, and you would have Lukaku to (hopefully) grow into a Drogba-esc role in the future.
 
It's a lot of money, but the same or perhaps more would be lost if Chelsea fail to enter next years' CL. One way or the other it's gonna hurt.


Yup, that's just it. Its too much money to fail to get CL AND then sack him. If the priority was really CL, he would have been sacked earlier, Scolari was sacked for less. Not saying he is sack proof, but it just feels very unlikely.
 
I don't really mind Lampard. I think he's getting to the stage in his career where he is going to be a rotation player. Granted he is on a fucket load of wages, but he is still decent on his day.

I wouldn't get rid of them all at the same time, but rather phase them out. The first three would be the ones I would be looking to replace sooner rather than later, and then the latter four phased out over the next 3 seasons or so, depending on Essiens fitness. Ferreira is a good enough back up, and he can't be on massive wages, if he is, then they might as well ship him out also. Kalou is plain awful, and I am surprised he hasn't been sold already to be honest.

If you look at it, they could have a team of:

-------------Courtois--------
Ivanovic - Cahill - Luiz - Cole-
--------------Mikel ----------
-------Ramires ----Miereles--
Sturridge --------------- Mata
-----------Torres------------

So it's a pretty decent team, obviously they wouldn't be able to have it this season, because Courtois is still away, but they could replace Cech (who has been shaky this season) in the summer with him. The bench would consist of Lukaku/Bertrand/McEachran/Lampard/Ferreira + players they could sign in the summer to back up the first team or drop Luiz/Cahill to the bench and bring in a dominating CB, someone like Dede from Vasco who is young, good in the air and on the floor and quick. Also quite tall. Basically they need a younger quicker John Terry, and I don't think that's Cahill. Maybe even Samba would do a good job for them, he is only 27 (or 28) and is obviously settled in the Prem. If Blackburn go down, I imagine he would be pretty cheap (10-15m max).

On the attacking front, you would hope that front three would get you some goals, and you would have Lukaku to (hopefully) grow into a Drogba-esc role in the future.

Thing is, that very same team except for Courtois and Cahill (One is away and the other joined recently) has played plenty of games with little success. Meireles is, in my opinion, not good enough for Chelsea and Mikel looks a little bit dodgy as well, I'm not entirely convinced by him.

Also, I don't think they could gradually phase them out now - relations between manager and players are at an all time low and keeping either the manager or the players around would do more harm than good.

On Ferreira, I'm not sure he's on high wages but he's on the old side, not much time left in him, and frankly I don't really rate him either.
 
Thing is, that very same team except for Courtois and Cahill (One is away and the other joined recently) has played plenty of games with little success. Meireles is, in my opinion, not good enough for Chelsea and Mikel looks a little bit dodgy as well, I'm not entirely convinced by him.

Also, I don't think they could gradually phase them out now - relations between manager and players are at an all time low and keeping either the manager or the players around would do more harm than good.

On Ferreira, I'm not sure he's on high wages but he's on the old side, not much time left in him, and frankly I don't really rate him either.

It's their defence that is looking the worst though, with the inclusion of a player like Dede or Samba paired with Cahill or Luiz would surely give them more of a presence, and Cech hasn't pulled of saves this seasons, which he would have made with ease in previous seasons.

Attack-wise, I can't see Torres being in such bad for for too much longer, he has too much skill and ability for that, and maybe being the 'main man', knowing that there isn't a Drogba or Anelka that can come in and play when he's playing ****, might be the rocket up the **** he needs.

I suppose it depends who the main players are that are causing such friction within the team. From what I have heard it's Terry/Lampard/Cech, I imagine there are more, but I think they are the main three, although feel free to correct me if I am wrong, as I am only trying to remember off the top of my head. I would replace Cech and Terry as soon as, and revert Lampard to a squad player. I think that move in general would show the rest of the team that you aren't there to be ****** around, and anyone can be sold/dropped.

Also, I know I said sell a **** load of players, but in doing so, that free's up the squad space for other players, he could even raid Porto? Try and bring in Hulk for example? James Rodríguez? João Moutinho? They have a fair few decent players in that team and with his links to the team, you would think Chelsea would have more chance than anyone in signing these players from Porto, considering they have AVB. If not Porto, there are players in Holland, Portugal, France and Germany which they could look at buying relatively cheaply, who are young enough to mould into his footballing philosophy.
 
Their defense has indeed looked shaky, but it's not like they've displayed brilliant attacking football. I can't even recall the amount of games Torres has played in a row without scoring - certainly a lot. I do agree that Cech isn't the same GK he used to be, and Courtois has proven more than capable in Spain, but then again La Liga and the prem are different leagues and we'd have to see how Courtois adapts.

On Torres, well, he spent a month being the main man when Drogba was at the ACN and it didn't quite work out. Mike and others insist the team lacks creativity, and I agree, but I also think 'this' Torres is a mere shadow of his former self. He's no longer a top striker and a lot would have to change for him to score double digits again. Or score at all for that matter. He's lost a yard of pace, his movement is unconvincing and his confidence is non-existant.

On your third paragraph - I'd add Cole and up to some extent Drogba to those three.

Finally, he could raid porto, but considering the age and quality of the players he's selling, he won't be making much of a profit. They'd be lucky to get one of Rodriguez or Moutinho, and even luckier to get Hulk with that kind of cash. And if they fail to get 4th place, then they're pretty ******. FFP will bite them in the ****.
 
Del Bosque has dropped Torres from the NT for the first time in 6 years. This will either be a wake-up call or destroy his confidence completely, if he has any left.
 
Del Bosque has dropped Torres from the NT for the first time in 6 years. This will either be a wake-up call or destroy his confidence completely, if he has any left.

It will do neither tbh, should have been dropped for Soldado last year, and Del Bosque warned him 6 months ago. He can only concentrate on Chelsea
 
It will do neither tbh, should have been dropped for Soldado last year, and Del Bosque warned him 6 months ago. He can only concentrate on Chelsea

Of course he should, but he wasn't. His presence in the NT was all he had left of a 'top striker'. Now that he lost that he'll either try to get his spot back or crumble.
 
Of course he should, but he wasn't. His presence in the NT was all he had left of a 'top striker'. Now that he lost that he'll either try to get his spot back or crumble.

Not really, think you are overplaying this somewhat, wasnt playing well for Spain either. Getting dropped isn't going to make or break him as a player. Especially as Del Bosque has said this isnt the definitive squad for the Euros
 
Not really, think you are overplaying this somewhat, wasnt playing well for Spain either. Getting dropped isn't going to make or break him as a player. Especially as Del Bosque has said this isnt the definitive squad for the Euros

He wasn't playing well but it was something he could hold on to. Anyways, cba to discuss it right now as I'm already late for the dentist, but I'll be back... eventually.
 
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I really think that this game against Bolton can show that this Chelsea squad is up to the challenge to fight out the last Champions League spot.

Obvisiosly we won't win the PL and find it hard to erase a 2 goal deficit against Napoli. AVB may as well slowly bleed some youngsters in (Lukaku, Lucas Piazon) for some games against lesser opposition. Personally I would like to see AVB go, but if he can somehow turn around the fans opinions, his players, win a trophy (FA Cup, CL) and finish in 4th spot, it would just qualify as an acceptable season.

As for our squad, the board and AVB seriously need to sort out realistic transfers over the summer and slowly get rid of unneeded players. Firstly our midfield is in shambolics. There is no balance. Lamps is getting on and will end up in and out of the team. Meireles and Mikel aren't
up to it. Essien is just back from a big injury however no where near where he was a couple of years ago. Romeu looks a promising youngster but make too many mistakes. Rami is the only one who is stable there. How things would be different if we bought Modric.

With no technical ability rather than Mata, Torres is isolated up front as they don't provide support. Sturridge is started as a winger is isn't a true one. Once he gets the ball he cuts inside trying to score himself leaving Torres with limited chances
If we don't have any quality true wingers, why are we still playing a formation with them. We should look towards more of a 4-1-2-1-2 or 4-3-1-2. Avb may as well play Torres/Drogba/Sturridge/Lukaku because playing them as lone strikers isn't getting us the goals.

CFC <3
 
Cech, Ivanovic, Cahill, Luiz, Cole, Ramires, Essien, Lampard, Sturridge, Drogba, Mata. Subs: Turnbull, Torres, Mikel, Malouda, Meireles, Kalou, Bertrand.

So much for youth.
 
Why would he be playing the youth? He's got to keep his eye on the top 4.
 
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