The Chelsea Thread

[Alcaraz]

It's not doing great, don't compare it to a relatively unsuccessful season for everyone else. Also no way you can say you can be sure you would be 4th if you have only the league to concentrate on.

The fact that you rely on aging stars and have little depth is the fault of the club, something that's been pointed out for 3 season now. When SAF said the squad was too old, he was pointing out the fact that there was no next generation, no variation in the age group.

Its easy saying players need to be sold and bought, and the managers office needs be sorted. Actually doing it its much tougher.

Youth Cup means little unless the players actually make it into the first team. That's how you judge the success of your youth, those who get into your first team, or go on into the first team of other sides.

It's not about just the positives, its about the big picture.

fair enough I stand corrected. I am not saying that I dont blame the club for our **** squad depth or ageing squad. I am just merely pointing out the fact that we have done pretty darn well regardless.

And yes I agree that its hard to bring in the right manager and stick with him or buy and sell players.. The good thing is that its something Roman seems to have understood, Its the step in the right direction.

And I agree that the success of Youth depends on how many actually make it into the first-team. Again I am just merely saying that we have the players who can be in the first-team in our Youth. Thats really the most important thhing.

 

[BlueHeart26]

This can be applied to all clubs though. For example we are looking alright for a 20th title. But we still have no answer to Paul Scholes, and our European performance this season was a disgrace.

You cannot find the right answer to Scholes as he is the best. You can find an adequate answer though, and im sure the old man has someone on his mind.

on the other hand, I hear that you are after Hazard as well. Not sure why as you have young valencia and nani.

 

[Mike.]

fair enough I stand corrected. I am not saying that I dont blame the club for our **** squad depth or ageing squad. I am just merely pointing out the fact that we have done pretty darn well regardless.

And yes I agree that its hard to bring in the right manager and stick with him or buy and sell players.. The good thing is that its something Roman seems to have understood, Its the step in the right direction.

And I agree that the success of Youth depends on how many actually make it into the first-team. Again I am just merely saying that we have the players who can be in the first-team in our Youth. Thats really the most important thhing.

All about the platform, those talented young players, if they are good enough, will need 3-5 years to get through. So you need that stabiliity at the club. You need to have a manager there for 3-5 years.

 

[*Jones*]

I was going to reply to Alcaraz, but then noticed Mike said everything I wanted to say.

**** you.

 

[Mike.]

You cannot find the right answer to Scholes as he is the best. You can find an adequate answer though, and im sure the old man has someone on his mind.

on the other hand, I hear that you are after Hazard as well. Not sure why as you have young valencia and nani.

The only reason we would buy him is as a definitive shift back to the asymmetric 4-2-3-1. Also, we do need to increase the quality of the squad, Park is steady, and Giggs dare i say, is coming to the end, performances have dropped off, especialy in the middle of the park. Still buying him doesnt solve central mid, would still need a player there.

 

[Alcaraz]

All about the platform, those talented young players, if they are good enough, will need 3-5 years to get through. So you need that stabiliity at the club. You need to have a manager there for 3-5 years.

Agreed. I recall mentioning a while back that not having a stable manager is really hurting our Youth as well. Its clear that this summer we need to bring in the right man and back him no matter what.

I just dont think the situation at the club is as bad as people are making out. Obviously the capacity for the situation to improve is huge but we are not that far away from being legitimate title contenders again as some other clubs are

 

[Mike.]

Agreed. I recall mentioning a while back that not having a stable manager is really hurting our Youth as well. Its clear that this summer we need to bring in the right man and back him no matter what.

I just dont think the situation at the club is as bad as people are making out. Obviously the capacity for the situation to improve is huge but we are not that far away from being legitimate title contenders again as some other clubs are

Its not bleak, but its about the right steps. The right decisions are made, Chelsea can force their way back, the wrong decisions will hurt them for 3-4 years.

 

[Alcaraz]

The only reason we would buy him is as a definitive shift back to the asymmetric 4-2-3-1. Also, we do need to increase the quality of the squad, Park is steady, and Giggs dare i say, is coming to the end, performances have dropped off, especialy in the middle of the park. Still buying him doesnt solve central mid, would still need a player there.

Fee is a huge deterrence though. Do United really need to fork out 40m on a player they hardly need especially when their are more pressing problems that need to be resolved. Plus it takes a special player, special situation etc. for Ferguson to actually throw out that kind of cash. I doubt Hazard is that player

 

[Alcaraz]

Its not bleak, but its about the right steps. The right decisions are made, Chelsea can force their way back, the wrong decisions will hurt them for 3-4 years.

Yes. Frankly speaking we did take the the rgiht steps last summer by hiring AVB but then panicking and sacking him has delayed the transition by a year. Thats why I want Mourinho Mike. At least with him you can know for sure that the players wont dare give him problems.

With Mourinho coming in, player power is negated. Player power which is the biggest obstacle facing any prospective new manager. To me it looks like the Chelsea ship has all the right tools to succeed: Youth Talent, Top facilities, rich owner etc.

What we really lack is a captain to lead that ship

 

[Mike.]

Fee is a huge deterrence though. Do United really need to fork out 40m on a player they hardly need especially when their are more pressing problems that need to be resolved. Plus it takes a special player, special situation etc. for Ferguson to actually throw out that kind of cash. I doubt Hazard is that player

Indeed, if its a choice between tempting spurs with 40m for Modric or Lille with 40m for hazard, i'd choose Modric.

 

[Mike.]

Yes. Frankly speaking we did take the the rgiht steps last summer by hiring AVB but then panicking and sacking him has delayed the transition by a year. Thats why I want Mourinho Mike. At least with him you can know for sure that the players wont dare give him problems.

With Mourinho coming in, player power is negated. Player power which is the biggest obstacle facing any prospective new manager. To me it looks like the Chelsea ship has all the right tools to succeed: Youth Talent, Top facilities, rich owner etc.

What we really lack is a captain to lead that ship

Thats exactly why it shouldnt be Mourinho. The problem is the players. Chelsea need to glossing over that fact, and stop pining for Jose. Roman needs to remind them who is really in charge. If every new manager has to worry about the players then something is very wrong there.

 

[CFC CALLUM]

fair enough I stand corrected. I am not saying that I dont blame the club for our **** squad depth or ageing squad. I am just merely pointing out the fact that we have done pretty darn well regardless.

And yes I agree that its hard to bring in the right manager and stick with him or buy and sell players.. The good thing is that its something Roman seems to have understood, Its the step in the right direction.

And I agree that the success of Youth depends on how many actually make it into the first-team. Again I am just merely saying that we have the players who can be in the first-team in our Youth. Thats really the most important thhing.

The youth is u18's since when have you seen an u18 be called to first team, very rarely. There may be a few but winning the youth cup will prove we have one of the best youth teams in England (u18)

 

[BlueHeart26]

Roman will not stop meddling, ever. Its been hard for me to get used to that, but I'm kind of used to it now.

 

[Alcaraz]

Thats exactly why it shouldnt be Mourinho. The problem is the players. Chelsea need to glossing over that fact, and stop pining for Jose. Roman needs to remind them who is really in charge. If every new manager has to worry about the players then something is very wrong there.

Roman did do that this season... after he sacked AVB. I think we have been down that road enough times in this thread anyways. Players need to know their place, if they cant seem to understand that then they shoul be sold. This summer is pivotal for Chelsea. If the right decisions are made then jolly good.

Wrong decisions are made then another year wasted frankly. My main concern is that how many managers would want to work at Chelsea after they saw what happened to AVB. I would even welcome having RDM in charge for 5-6 seasons. Players seem to respect him and he has done realtively well. At least RDM in charge would be better than the constant hiring/firing of managers

 

[Alcaraz]

Roman will not stop meddling, ever. Its been hard for me to get used to that, but I'm kind of used to it now.

Do not think Roman meddling is the major problem here tbh.

 

[BlueHeart26]

The youth is u18's since when have you seen an u18 be called to first team, very rarely. There may be a few but winning the youth cup will prove we have one of the best youth teams in England (u18)

im eager to see Piazon in the first team, but he is still too young. maybe we should send him on loan somewhere in the PL.

 

[Mike.]

Roman did do that this season... after he sacked AVB. I think we have been down that road enough times in this thread anyways. Players need to know their place, if they cant seem to understand that then they shoul be sold. This summer is pivotal for Chelsea. If the right decisions are made then jolly good.

Wrong decisions are made then another year wasted frankly. My main concern is that how many managers would want to work at Chelsea after they saw what happened to AVB. I would even welcome having RDM in charge for 5-6 seasons. Players seem to respect him and he has done realtively well. At least RDM in charge would be better than the constant hiring/firing of managers

I'd get Emery, if not, stick with Di Matteo. That's if he is ready to cut the chords on the players.

 

[CFC CALLUM]

im eager to see Piazon in the first team, but he is still too young. maybe we should send him on loan somewhere in the PL.

I'm eager to see Lukaku step up, our next Drogba, strong as an ox, fast. Imagine them as a partnership!

 

[Alcaraz]

I'd get Emery, if not, stick with Di Matteo. That's if he is ready to cut the chords on the players.

I'd only want Emery if senior players are sold and Emery is backed in the transfer market to bring in his own players. It might be chaos for a while but eventually Chelsea will be a better club for it. Partly hoping that we dont get into the CL this season. That would be one nice wake-up call for everyone at the club

 

[Alcaraz]

I'm eager to see Lukaku step up, our next Drogba, strong as an ox, fast. Imagine them as a partnership!

needs to improve on his technical ability though. Would rather see Lukaku on loan next season at a club like Everton together with Kevin De Bruyne.