The Chelsea Thread

[zzeezzy]

I like Di Matteo and what he has done this season has been incredible considering where you were at when he joined.

But regarding him getting the job full time on a permanent basis.. is that really the right move. Can you really have success playing so negatively against any team that you think is better than your own, I just can't see how he can bring long term success to Chelsea playing the way he does against better teams especially.

Done a good job but I do not think he is the man to manage for Chelsea in the future.

 

[Subtle]

How would you have played it then?

He got his tactics spot on in every CL game.

 

[zzeezzy]

How would you have played it then?

He got his tactics spot on in every CL game.

Well think if Drogba never scored that equaliser, you would of gone out without a whimper. It was effective, but is it something that will retain success in the future having that approach to a game? That is all I am trying to say.

 

[Alcaraz]

Well think if Drogba never scored that equaliser, you would of gone out without a whimper. It was effective, but is it something that will retain success in the future having that approach to a game? That is all I am trying to say.

Harsh. Not only were we up against a far superior team with 3 of our key players out, 2 of them being defenders. We were also playing at their home ground infront of their fans where they are so good. We had to play reactive football and try hit them on the counter which we did not do well at all but we defended superbly and took our chances when it came

Also Di Matteo actually likes to play expansive attacking football. I am confident that if he is given the opportunity to manage full-time, he can bring the right players in and make us stronger allowing us to adopt a more positive approach. He deserves the job in my opinion because he has not put a foot wrong and has worked miracles

 

[Mike.]

Harsh. Not only were we up against a far superior team with 3 of our key players out, 2 of them being defenders. We were also playing at their home ground infront of their fans where they are so good. We had to play reactive football and try hit them on the counter which we did not do well at all but we defended superbly and took our chances when it came

Also Di Matteo actually likes to play expansive attacking football. I am confident that if he is given the opportunity to manage full-time, he can bring the right players in and make us stronger allowing us to adopt a more positive approach. He deserves the job in my opinion because he has not put a foot wrong and has worked miracles

took 2 points against the big sides in the league, so he hasnt worked total miracles. Winning the CL =/= having the capacity to rebuild a team over the next 3 years. That isnt what should define his job prospects.

 

[GodCubed]

Well think if Drogba never scored that equaliser, you would of gone out without a whimper. It was effective, but is it something that will retain success in the future having that approach to a game? That is all I am trying to say.

If if if. If Vidic hadn't got injured United might've won the title. What iffing is utterly pointless.

 

[Subtle]

Well think if Drogba never scored that equaliser, you would of gone out without a whimper. It was effective, but is it something that will retain success in the future having that approach to a game? That is all I am trying to say.

Sooooo... How would you have played?

As for RDM rebuilding the squad, it's tricky. We know he gets tactics, we know he gets players. But does he have the potential to spot youth talent and slowly phase it into the squad. From what I've seen so far, yes. He made the brave but correct decision to bring Bertrand into a huge game and he has dealt with Sturridge really well imo. I would hand him a big budget, a year's contract and aim to either win the PL or be in the Final again next year. If he does one of those and the squad starts getting rejuvenated then give him a 3 year deal.

 

[Shockhorror.]

If if if. If Vidic hadn't got injured United might've won the title. What iffing is utterly pointless.

I hate that word. Fellow Arsenal fans use it far too much.

 

[Alcaraz]

took 2 points against the big sides in the league, so he hasnt worked total miracles. Winning the CL =/= having the capacity to rebuild a team over the next 3 years. That isnt what should define his job prospects.

Whats to say AVB could rebuild the team. Taking on AVB was a gamble too because its not like AVB was a proven long-term manager.

Plus we have been through this, he came in at a time when the squad was down and out and fragmented and he turned our season around despite fighting on three fronts with a very thin squad. He deserves a proper season at the helm before anyone forms conclusions about his reign.

Plus he won a CL with a squad many described as old and past it including yourself beating Barcelona, Napoli and Bayern Munich along the way. He won the FA Cup. I dont know what your definition of a miracle is but this certainly is one according to me.

Plus just to add its not like AVB picked up many points against the big teams. Cant remember him beating Liverpool. Lost 5-2 to Arsenal at the Bridge. Never beat Manchester United. Did not beat Tottenham. Beat Newcastle only because the ref made a poor decision to not send off Luiz in the opening minutes.

He only beat Man City. Hardly a better record than RDM

And who knows RDM might turn out to be a great long-term manager, certainly very hard to sack him after what he has done

 

[zzeezzy]

If if if. If Vidic hadn't got injured United might've won the title. What iffing is utterly pointless.

My point was mainly about RDM's approach against teams that are better than Chelsea's, will it really retain success in the future and is that negativity going to work, camped in your own half relying on one or two chances, I just do not think it will work personally. He has done a great job and has quite a bit of luck as well if truth be told, but luck is not always going to be on your side, his approach relies on quite a bit of luck. Defending for nearly the whole game hoping for a team not to score.

 

[Mike.]

Whats to say AVB could rebuild the team. Taking on AVB was a gamble too because its not like AVB was a proven long-term manager.

Plus we have been through this, he came in at a time when the squad was down and out and fragmented and he turned our season around despite fighting on three fronts with a very thin squad. He deserves a proper season at the helm before anyone forms conclusions about his reign.

Plus he won a CL with a squad many described as old and past it including yourself beating Barcelona, Napoli and Bayern Munich along the way. He won the FA Cup. I dont know what your definition of a miracle is but this certainly is one according to me.

Plus just to add its not like AVB picked up many points against the big teams. Cant remember him beating Liverpool. Lost 5-2 to Arsenal at the Bridge. Never beat Manchester United. Did not beat Tottenham. Beat Newcastle only because the ref made a poor decision to not send off Luiz in the opening minutes.

He only beat Man City. Hardly a better record than RDM

And who knows RDM might turn out to be a great long-term manager, certainly very hard to sack him after what he has done

I really dont understand why you immediately all fall back to AVB, its totally irrelevant, because AVB was brought in becuase the club felt that he had the plans and nous to rebuild. That is the same remit that Di Matteo should have, and winning the CL doesnt come into it.

What AVB did or didnt do doesnt matter, dont use it to excuse Di Matteo.

You dont have a another season to mess about, that's the point.

 

[Alcaraz]

My point was mainly about RDM's approach against teams that are better than Chelsea's, will it really retain success in the future and is that negativity going to work, camped in your own half relying on one or two chances, I just do not think it will work personally. He has done a great job and has quite a bit of luck as well if truth be told, but luck is not always going to be on your side, his approach relies on quite a bit of luck. Defending for nearly the whole game hoping for a team not to score.

His approach is that way because our team is not that good compared to Bayern Munich's or Barcelona's. We try to attack and be more expressive and they will slaughter us. As I mentioned earlier, he actually prefers to play attacking football although he needs the right squad to do that. Until then he knows that the current squad he has, only by playing a defensive game does he have any chance of beating Barcelona/Bayern Munich

 

[Subtle]

So many thing wrong with that post but I need to jump in the tube because I've got a parade to watch, so here's some bullet points.

- You assume that Bobby wanted to play that way and it wasn't something he had to do with the players that he had.
- You assume that the tactic was largely reliant on luck.
- You make the assumption that I ****** hate, which is that being a defensive team is somehow being a bad team.
- You make the assumption that it won't work when it just has worked, again and again, with a bunch of exceptionally tired players that are beyond their peak.

The first one's the only important one because if we get the likes of Hazard in the summer, we won't need to rely on excellent defending.

 

[GodCubed]

My point was mainly about RDM's approach against teams that are better than Chelsea's, will it really retain success in the future and is that negativity going to work, camped in your own half relying on one or two chances, I just do not think it will work personally. He has done a great job and has quite a bit of luck as well if truth be told, but luck is not always going to be on your side, his approach relies on quite a bit of luck. Defending for nearly the whole game hoping for a team not to score.

You're basing his approach against big teams on just a few games. You choose your tactics for the specific opponent, and in the CL this year it worked wonders. Chelsea just don't have a good enough team at the moment to try and compete against Barca or even Munich, but they won, and that's all that really matters.

 

[Alcaraz]

I really dont understand why you immediately all fall back to AVB, its totally irrelevant, because AVB was brought in becuase the club felt that he had the plans and nous to rebuild. That is the same remit that Di Matteo should have, and winning the CL doesnt come into it.

What AVB did or didnt do doesnt matter, dont use it to excuse Di Matteo.

You dont have a another season to mess about, that's the point.

Fair enough, but its easy to convince someone you have the plans to rebuild the club. Doing it is a whole different ball game. I just think that since the club was willing to take the punt on AVB then they should do so for Di Matteo as well.

Obviously Di Matteo needs to convince them that he has the vision to take the club forward. I personally think he does but its upto the board to decide

 

[zzeezzy]

So many thing wrong with that post but I need to jump in the tube because I've got a parade to watch, so here's some bullet points.

- You assume that Bobby wanted to play that way and it wasn't something he had to do with the players that he had.
- You assume that the tactic was largely reliant on luck.
- You make the assumption that I ****** hate, which is that being a defensive team is somehow being a bad team.
- You make the assumption that it won't work when it just has worked, again and again, with a bunch of exceptionally tired players that are beyond their peak.

The first one's the only important one because if we get the likes of Hazard in the summer, we won't need to rely on excellent defending.

I never said a defensive team is a bad team, I just question whether that approach will retain success in the future... please read what I actually put before you criticise. Yes camped in your own half for virtually 90 minutes (until they scored) against a team of Bayern's attacking qualities is reliant on quite a bit of luck. Then if the opposition do score you have to change the mentality from completely defensive to try and take the game to the opposition, which is extremely hard to do.

 

[BlueHeart26]

So many thing wrong with that post but I need to jump in the tube because I've got a parade to watch, so here's some bullet points.

- You assume that Bobby wanted to play that way and it wasn't something he had to do with the players that he had.
- You assume that the tactic was largely reliant on luck.
- You make the assumption that I ****** hate, which is that being a defensive team is somehow being a bad team.
- You make the assumption that it won't work when it just has worked, again and again, with a bunch of exceptionally tired players that are beyond their peak.

The first one's the only important one because if we get the likes of Hazard in the summer, we won't need to rely on excellent defending.

Speaking of transfers, there was a guy called Jamie. here. Why doesnt he visit the forum anymore? He was so informed about transfers and stuff.

 

[Mike.]

Fair enough, but its easy to convince someone you have the plans to rebuild the club. Doing it is a whole different ball game. I just think that since the club was willing to take the punt on AVB then they should do so for Di Matteo as well.

Obviously Di Matteo needs to convince them that he has the vision to take the club forward. I personally think he does but its upto the board to decide

That's all it should come down to. Di Matteo is a legend, but again that shouldn't come into it. If they believe that he can take the club forwards, that he has the right ideas, and the ability to pull it off, then give him 3 years. Even if he had lost the CL, if the board had felt that way, then still give it to him. That doesn't mean I'm dismissing the CL at all, it is a truly brilliant achievement, but that isn't gonna take the club forwards.

 

[oja20]

When we've strengthened and dont have suspensions we can start to play football. With the current squad and how many players out last night it was the only thing we could do, no chance we could outplay Bayern at home.

People seem to forget we went years playing defensively under Jose, albeit not as bad as this but our main strength was getting a goal, the opposition knew it was going to be a near impossible task to turn it around.

Still hasn't sunk in yet that we're European Champions. I'm looking forward to the summer, getting linked with every player under the sun.

 

[zzeezzy]

You're basing his approach against big teams on just a few games. You choose your tactics for the specific opponent, and in the CL this year it worked wonders. Chelsea just don't have a good enough team at the moment to try and compete against Barca or even Munich, but they won, and that's all that really matters.

I am just considering whether he is the right man full time for the managerial position at Chelsea. I can have an opinion this is the whole point of the thread.

So many thing wrong with that post but I need to jump in the tube because I've got a parade to watch, so here's some bullet points.

- You assume that Bobby wanted to play that way and it wasn't something he had to do with the players that he had.
- You assume that the tactic was largely reliant on luck.
- You make the assumption that I ****** hate, which is that being a defensive team is somehow being a bad team.
- You make the assumption that it won't work when it just has worked, again and again, with a bunch of exceptionally tired players that are beyond their peak.

The first one's the only important one because if we get the likes of Hazard in the summer, we won't need to rely on excellent defending.

I believe Hazard has already stated he will be playing in Manchester next season, but has not said which Manchester club.