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Chelsea have become the first team to beat Arsenal THREE times at the Emirates Stadium in the Premier League. #CFC
 
GodCubed said:
So, bring me up to date. I've been without internet and TV for a while. I gather Vic's been playing well and Ramires looked at home in a double pivot?

I promise not to say 'I knew it' if I'm right.
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Nick Chelsea said:
+ he loses the ball way too much.
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I will admit i questioned whether Ramires could play that role but he is proving me wrong. Has played 3 games there now in a row and has been quite sensational. Give it 5-10 games with Mikel and Rammy and that could be a real effective partnership. What i have noticed is that although he can't do that deep lying playmaker role because his passing range is limited what he does do is win the ball back and then runs with it at pace starting counter attacks. So many times yesterday we forced Arsenal into mistakes by pressing them all over the pitch and then breaking forward in numbers and Ramires done this countless number of times.

Also don't think he gives the ball away as much as you think Nick mate, 92% pass completion today which was our joint second highest of the starting 11 only behind JT. (joint with Mata and Oscar). He also won 5/5 tackles today so he is winning me round indeed.

One big factor of our win was our how much we got Torres involved in the game. Against Stoke he received just 24 passes but yesterday he received 42!!!
 
Subtle said:
Yeah, they'll need time to adapt to playing as a pair but there's definitely potential. The only real issue is that Ramires' passing isn't quite good enough. It will be a very solid pivot until Oscar is ready though.
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A Ramires-Mikel pivot will work just fine but if we ever want to fully unlock the potential of our front four we definitely need a midfielder who can distribute the ball from the deep as you said.

Personally, I feel Chelsea should fight Spurs tooth and nail for Moutinho's signature in January. Would be the perfect signing. Retains the defensive abilities to play in the pivot yet has the passing abilities to effectively distribute the ball to the forwards

Also since Moutinho is such a complete midfielder, bit like Meireless except much better, him and Oscar could also potentially form a very dynamic double pivot in the future in my opinion.

Good thing is that at least RDM recognizes that Lamps is no good in the pivot and has taken him out. And everyone was saying how he would suck up to the 'old guard' :'(
 
Also just to put it out there... RDM drops Lampard and receives no problems but when AVB did it, he splits the dressing room. Shows that it was AVB's man-management rather than Lampard that was the problem.
 
CJACKO11 said:
I will admit i questioned whether Ramires could play that role but he is proving me wrong. Has played 3 games there now in a row and has been quite sensational. Give it 5-10 games with Mikel and Rammy and that could be a real effective partnership. What i have noticed is that although he can't do that deep lying playmaker role because his passing range is limited what he does do is win the ball back and then runs with it at pace starting counter attacks. So many times yesterday we forced Arsenal into mistakes by pressing them all over the pitch and then breaking forward in numbers and Ramires done this countless number of times.

Also don't think he gives the ball away as much as you think Nick mate, 92% pass completion today which was our joint second highest of the starting 11 only behind JT. (joint with Mata and Oscar). He also won 5/5 tackles today so he is winning me round indeed.

One big factor of our win was our how much we got Torres involved in the game. Against Stoke he received just 24 passes but yesterday he received 42!!!
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It's more like, when he is in control of the ball (in his feet) and loses it. That's been the case in the last few games. It's not that big of a problem, but he must work on that. But then again, we have a Mikel, who is brilliant at keeping the ball in his possession, maybe thats why I want Ramires to be that good at it. lol
 
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Alcaraz said:
Also just to put it out there... RDM drops Lampard and receives no problems but when AVB did it, he splits the dressing room. Shows that it was AVB's man-management rather than Lampard that was the problem.
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Yeah it was the way he went about it mate without a doubt. Although i agree not all was AVB's fault he was a major factor in the slide.
 
Alcaraz said:
Also just to put it out there... RDM drops Lampard and receives no problems but when AVB did it, he splits the dressing room. Shows that it was AVB's man-management rather than Lampard that was the problem.
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The difference is Di Matteo is a Chelsea legend, AVB wasn't. Lampard would of been very foolish to kick up a storm against Di Matteo when they are WINNING and when he is such a Chelsea icon. With AVB, Lampard knew the fans were not happy and he was under scrutiny due to average results, so it was a good time to do it.
 
zzeezzy said:
The difference is Di Matteo is a Chelsea legend, AVB wasn't. Lampard would of been very foolish to kick up a storm against Di Matteo when they are WINNING and when he is such a Chelsea icon. With AVB, Lampard knew the fans were not happy and he was under scrutiny due to average results, so it was a good time to do it.
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Yes because it's lampards aim to create chaos and disorder in the squad... And anways your wrong as AVB was winning at that time when Lampard was unhappy
 
Alcaraz said:
Yes because it's lampards aim to create chaos and disorder in the squad... And anways your wrong as AVB was winning at that time when Lampard was unhappy
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It's Lampard aim to be playing reguarly, and if we were winning at the time that he got dropped does it not give him more of a reason to want to be playing?
 
@Joey7Barton: Can't believe I've just seen John Terry with his golf clobber on celebrating with Poulter?? WTF! Had golf shoes on the lot...
 
[h=5]Former Germany midfielder Michael Ballack has announced his retirement from football at the age of 36.[/h]
[video=youtube;VC7IonfqU1w]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VC7IonfqU1w[/video]
 
Alcaraz said:
We are winning now... He has not said/done anything
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Much easier for a club legend to drop a club legend, and even then he took his time, when it was obvious it shoud have happened earlier. Come on now, you've been seriously bias on your feeling re Lampard and AVB. It split the dressing room because Lampard kicked up, and who was going to get the backing?
 
Always remember the game against Utd. Ballack scored 2 and controlled that game, hero.
 
Mike. said:
Much easier for a club legend to drop a club legend, and even then he took his time, when it was obvious it shoud have happened earlier. Come on now, you've been seriously bias on your feeling re Lampard and AVB. It split the dressing room because Lampard kicked up, and who was going to get the backing?
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My issue has never been whether Lampard deservesto be dropped. The answer is clear to that question. I just feel their is a noticeable difference in the way these 2 respective managers handled te situation. While AVB just dropped Lampard suddenly without communicating the situation properly to him unlike RDM. Yes what Lampard did subsequently was wrong and that undermined AVB but AVB could have avoided the situation if he had managed it better in my opinion.
 
Alcaraz said:
My issue has never been whether Lampard deservesto be dropped. The answer is clear to that question. I just feel their is a noticeable difference in the way these 2 respective managers handled te situation. While AVB just dropped Lampard suddenly without communicating the situation properly to him unlike RDM. Yes what Lampard did subsequently was wrong and that undermined AVB but AVB could have avoided the situation if he had managed it better in my opinion.
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he's been dropped in exactly the same way, there was no overt talking from di matteo...
 
Well, they made it hard for us, I must admit. It was game over after that Luiz free-kick.

And even better, Juve 1-1 Shakhtar.
 
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