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My problem with Torres is that he is not clinical at all. Look at strikers like RVP or Falcao who can bury even half-chances. At times this season Torres has even been missing easy chances. Not to mention the irritating number of times he loses the ball or ***** up a pass. He scored a goal, very lucky, against shakhtar after a 7 hour drought. And then you add in all the stupid things he does off the pitch- Giving a stupid interview after the CL finals. Walking down the tunnel after being subbed off against QPR

I am not blaming him for our draw yesterday. But it's clear to spot the liability in our team at the moment. We could do wonders with a better striker at the helm. Torres has had his chance and he does not look like he will ever redeem it. Time to cut our losses instead of trying to make good on a transfer that was flawed from the start

Your whole side has missed a hat full of chances. Easy ones too. He is guilty of doing something your whole side is doing.

And if you are going have a go at people's off field stuff, what he has done has got nothing on say Lampard or even Terry, yet half the time, you are falling over yourselves to defend the latters off field flaws.

Could he do better? yes. But he is doing a lot of the other stuff right, and his movement and such has actually been vital to the rest of your build up, your real issue is actually defending properly, rather than Torres.
 
Your whole side has missed a hat full of chances. Easy ones too. He is guilty of doing something your whole side is doing.

And if you are going have a go at people's off field stuff, what he has done has got nothing on say Lampard or even Terry, yet half the time, you are falling over yourselves to defend the latters off field flaws.

Could he do better? yes. But he is doing a lot of the other stuff right, and his movement and such has actually been vital to the rest of your build up, your real issue is actually defending properly, rather than Torres.

Exactly what i said earlier on Facebook in a Chelsea group nearly word for word of it!.

One thing which i said before the season started was it was not about Torres scoring 20/30 goals this season because the side will do that on a whole. For me it was about the number of crucial goals he scored for us and for me crucial goals are opening goals, equalising goals and winning goals. Before this season he only scored 2 of these but this season out of his 7 goals 5 have been what i call crucial goals.
 
The problem is, everyone compares Torres to Drogba. Drogba was a one-man show, exactly what you want from a striker - crucial goals. Well, he is not Drogba, and won't be. Everyone at the club expected that, and they were all disappointed. Torres is not worth 50mil., Drogba was. Why? Because Drogba did everything you want a 50mil rated striker to do.

Torres is not poor, he is a team player. Just not what a typical (EPL) striker should be like in my opinion.
 
The problem is, everyone compares Torres to Drogba. Drogba was a one-man show, exactly what you want from a striker - crucial goals. Well, he is not Drogba, and won't be. Everyone at the club expected that, and they were all disappointed. Torres is not worth 50mil., Drogba was. Why? Because Drogba did everything you want a 50mil rated striker to do.

Torres is not poor, he is a team player. Just not what a typical (EPL) striker should be like in my opinion.

That's not Torres fault that you paid 50m for him. He shouldn't be buried for that.
 
As I said I am not blaming Torres. But he is the striker so he should be the one burying his chances yet he does not. And if their is a liability in the team, it is him. Then as I mentioned the fact that he generally slows down play due to his incompetence. And while I agree his movement has been good, they are a fistful of strikers with movement just as good who actually score goals and generally don't burden the team. Basically to put or simply, I doubt we are going to win anything with Torres as our main striker
 
I have come to realize that people are always finding excuses for his incompetence. Lack of service, no confidence, Drogba eats up his competition or how he contributes to the team in other ways. I thought this season he might step up and repay our faith but nope, it's the same old ****. Maybe my expectations are unduly high but if you want to win trophies you need a top striker which I think everyone agrees, Torres is not
 
The problem is, everyone compares Torres to Drogba. Drogba was a one-man show, exactly what you want from a striker - crucial goals. Well, he is not Drogba, and won't be. Everyone at the club expected that, and they were all disappointed. Torres is not worth 50mil., Drogba was. Why? Because Drogba did everything you want a 50mil rated striker to do.

Torres is not poor, he is a team player. Just not what a typical (EPL) striker should be like in my opinion.

Let's just call him a team player and unique striker and hide his incompetence that way eh?
 
The problem is, everyone compares Torres to Drogba. Drogba was a one-man show, exactly what you want from a striker - crucial goals. Well, he is not Drogba, and won't be.

Yeah, because Drogba was good.

Both sides of the argument have a point here. Torres shouldn't be vilified for costing a lot, and he does contribute to the team; but he cannot finish for the life of him.
 
I have come to realize that people are always finding excuses for his incompetence. Lack of service, no confidence, Drogba eats up his competition or how he contributes to the team in other ways. I thought this season he might step up and repay our faith but nope, it's the same old ****. Maybe my expectations are unduly high but if you want to win trophies you need a top striker which I think everyone agrees, Torres is not

Right first things first: just because you are a striker doe not mean you have to be the one finishing. Not by a lot shot. "a striker should be judged by his goals" is a lazy cliche dreamed up by pundits who lack the ability to analyse that the role of a striker is not cut and dried by any means

You do realise than back under Jose when you are imperious, you didn't have a 30 goal a season striker.

Faith? Hang on he isn't scoring as much as he should, but his all around game is actually pretty vital to linking your attacking mids.

Again the big issue is actually your inability to defend properly. Even with a replacement striker you will still have that flaw.

You didn't need a huge amount of goals 2004-2006. It's all very well saying you need a finisher, but the key to the lone forward the way Chelsea players is that he knits it all together with his link up play and running the channels. In short a deep lying forward, which Torres has become. He's got all the hard bits down, just needs to gamble more.

For someone who "isn't blaming Torres" you are pointing the finger at him an awful lot...

Burden the team? Are you deliberately ignoring the rest of his game? Also he doesn't slow down the play, his hold up and lay offs that allows your second line to get into shooting positions...

The fact that contributes to the team in other ways (I'e the ones I've mentioned) is actually vital.

Coould he be scoring more? he should probably be on 10 goals, but he isn't gambling enough or taking enough shots (averaging 2.25 shots a game) But he certainly isn't burdening the team.
 
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Well, Torres was one man show too. Was. Power? Check. Speed? Check. Great in the air? Check. Scoring 30 meter screamer? Check. World class ball control? Check. Guy could do everything...propably one of most complete strikers i've seen. Always had such a knack for spectacular goals too. If you watch any old compilation you'd have trouble finding a single average goal, its always "holy ****, what just happened?" Propably why Roman overpaid so much.

I've seen plenty of strikers in my time but i'd have trouble thinking of many who were more fun to watch. And that's just it really , form comes and goes, sure he can be sold to try and cut losses, but i think everyone just wants to see THAT guy again. And it seems he's gone for good. Oh how the mighty have fallen.

He's not this bad in current season though. But i gotta say it's not his scoring that's annoying me, it's missing too many simple passes and struggling with first touch. And this is the guy who was never box camping finisher, but used to be considered very modern-style striker who can score as well as create. Well right now he kind of does neither.
 
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You do realise than back under Jose when you are imperious, you didn't have a 30 goal a season striker.

But under Jose they had Frank Lampard in his pomp, who was capable of scoring 15+ goals from midfield, not to mention capable backups to Drogba like Eidur Gudjohnsen. They don't have that now.

Faith? Hang on he isn't scoring as much as he should, but his all around game is actually pretty vital to linking your attacking mids.

Link-play is lovely, but if there's no end product to it then what's the point? Torres will link, link, link, then at the end of a lovely flowing move someone will play him in and he'll **** it completely. Personally, in this Chelsea team I'd rather have a striker who was scoring than one that was creating, considering the quality of the creative players behind him.

Again the big issue is actually your inability to defend properly. Even with a replacement striker you will still have that flaw.

Sure, but we're looking at this issue in isolation. Besides, who's to say Chelsea can't simply outscore opponents?

You didn't need a huge amount of goals 2004-2006. It's all very well saying you need a finisher, but the key to the lone forward the way Chelsea players is that he knits it all together with his link up play and running the channels. In short a deep lying forward, which Torres has become. He's got all the hard bits down, just needs to gamble more.

2004-06 is gone. They were a ridiculously efficient unit then, incredibly tight in the back and able to go 1-0 up and then just boss opponents until they surrendered in about the 70th minute.

What you've just done is assumed Torres is synonymous with 'the way Chelsea play a lone striker'. TORRES links play and runs channels as a deep-lying forward. Didier Drogba was less mobile, yet a much finer player and far more efficient in his return. Saying Torres has all the hard bits down and needs to gamble more is easy, but overlooks the fact that every time he does gamble he ***** it up like he was paid to do it.

For someone who "isn't blaming Torres" you are pointing the finger at him an awful lot...

Personally, I would blame Torres for being ****. It's nobody else's fault but his own. Everyone said he'd need time to recover from his injuries, and gave him time. Then he needed time to settle. Then he needed to gel with his teammates. Then he was short of form and confidence. Now? He's out of excuses. He isn't producing, and he's the undisputed main striker. If there's anyone to blame for Chelsea not scoring as many goals as they should, it should be him.

Burden the team? Are you deliberately ignoring the rest of his game? Also he doesn't slow down the play, his hold up and lay offs that allows your second line to get into shooting positions...

You know what Falcao would do in that kind of situation? Step up, bully his way past defenders, leave the creating to the creative players and get himself in a position to score. Link up play is lovely and useful, but it isn't the thing Chelsea need up front right now. What they need is someone who can get themselves into a position to receive from their talented playmakers, open up space for them, and score from their balls into the box. Otherwise, they might as well just buy Heskey, since his link up play is fantastic.

Coould he be scoring more? he should probably be on 10 goals, but he isn't gambling enough or taking enough shots (averaging 2.25 shots a game) But he certainly isn't burdening the team.

Depends how you define burdening. He's not doing a bad job, necessarily, but he's only not doing a bad job at the stuff Chelsea don't need him to do. He's doing a pretty pathetic job at the thing they need him to do most: score.
 
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Ok simple question guys: When Torres gets the ball, do any of you feel scared like you used to in his Liverpool days?
 
Ok simple question guys: When Torres gets the ball, do any of you feel scared like you used to in his Liverpool days?

No no no no, don't be silly. That isn't the way to argue with Mike. Giving him short questions is too simple. Give him paragraphs and, like the average battle-weakened pokemon, he hurts himself in his confusion. ;)

But in answer to your question, no. Not that that's necessarily indicative of him performing poorly, mind (I hasten to add before Mike. does) and it isn't really what we're discussing. We're discussing whether he's still effective, not whether he's the monster he was in the past; there's very little debate to be had about that.
 
Anyone here knows I have supported Torres fully the past years but I had enough now. Give Sturridge a chance and get a striker who can finish. Cavani would eat EPL defenses alive. Llorente will be a wonderful addition we can get cheaply in January. Bony looks like a wonderful, Drogba-esque striker.
 
No no no no, don't be silly. That isn't the way to argue with Mike. Giving him short questions is too simple. Give him paragraphs and, like the average battle-weakened pokemon, he hurts himself in his confusion. ;)

But in answer to your question, no. Not that that's necessarily indicative of him performing poorly, mind (I hasten to add before Mike. does) and it isn't really what we're discussing. We're discussing whether he's still effective, not whether he's the monster he was in the past; there's very little debate to be had about that.
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Fair enough but if anyone wants to educate himself in the art of poor finishing... Torres is your man
 
Anyone here knows I have supported Torres fully the past years but I had enough now. Give Sturridge a chance and get a striker who can finish. Cavani would eat EPL defenses alive. Llorente will be a wonderful addition we can get cheaply in January. Bony looks like a wonderful, Drogba-esque striker.

Cavani's not budging from Napoli. He's very happy there and recently signed a new long-term contract, you'd be looking at a ludicrous fee like £60 mil or something to get him out of there. Llorente is a good option. Whenever anyone mentions Bony it irritates me: hardly anyone who doesn't play FM had heard of him, and even fewer knew whether he was any good in real life. Then, one game against an English club in which he was mostly mediocre minus one little flash of sublime skill and everyone thinks he could perform better than Torres right off the bat. Bonkers.

Fair enough but if anyone wants to educate himself in the art of poor finishing... Torres is your man

Whilst that's putting it harshly, I do agree with you. See my post earlier. :)
 
Tbh I know Bony because Vitesse is linked with Chelsea. We have sent players such as Kalas, PVA etc. on loan there this season. Not from FM. And I doubt he would be worse than Torres and should only improve tbh
 
Tbh I know Bony because Vitesse is linked with Chelsea. We have sent players such as Kalas, PVA etc. on loan there this season. Not from FM. And I doubt he would be worse than Torres and should only improve tbh

He's worse than Torres. He struggled for most of the game against Spurs, and that was in his element, with a team built around him. In an alien setting, in a league where you get no time to think and far less leeway for errors and can't rely on your physicality anywhere near as much, he'd be even more impotent. You just can't look at Torres, an experienced striker used to English conditions and honestly say he'd be even worse than a totally green 22 year old.
 
What about Seydou Doumbia for Chelsea? He is from Cote d'Ivoire like Drogba, except he is faster and he is young.
 
What about Seydou Doumbia for Chelsea? He is from Cote d'Ivoire like Drogba, except he is faster and he is young.

Good call. Young, tough, exceptionally quick, excellent goalscoring record in a relatively tough league. Would suit Chelsea's style of play, too, an off-the-shoulder striker who thrives on through balls.
 
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