The Chelsea Thread

[CJACKO11]

Yeah, because Drogba was good.

Both sides of the argument have a point here. Torres shouldn't be vilified for costing a lot, and he does contribute to the team; but he cannot finish for the life of him.

Did you not see his world class finish vs Shakhtar!!!! lol

Tbh I know Bony because Vitesse is linked with Chelsea. We have sent players such as Kalas, PVA etc. on loan there this season. Not from FM. And I doubt he would be worse than Torres and should only improve tbh

And what are you basing this on?? Playing well in Holland which is a hit and miss league especially when it comes to strikers.

I see a lot of names being bashed about on here and no-one has picked up on one which i was staggered to see. If we are going to sign a striker i believe the best bet would be a cheap one, premier league proven and could play in the champs league and there is one that fits the bill. Demba Ba!!!!!

 

[Nick Chelsea]

Come on. Lad was only 21/22. First time playing in an unfamiliar position out wide and yet he scored so many goals for us.

I don't understand Chelsea fans at times- They castigate the likes of Kalou and Sturridge who have done well for us yet defend people like Torres who have done absolutely nothing. Yes I am guilty of it too

The boy hasnt changed. Not. One. Bit.
And for the record, I liked Kalou better. I just despise selfish players.

Sturridge scored a few goals, but failed (decided not to) to pass the ball MANY times.
And I don't defend Torres... I'm just saying, he is a team player, Sturridge is not.

Sturridge is a striker and as a striker he wants to shoot and score as much as possible. It is not his fault he was being played out of position in a position where you are expected to pass more and look for the man up top. If he could score what 14-15 goals last season at rw how many could he score upfront? He has the confidence aswell.

Oh, stop it. Sturridge WAS NOT a striker back then. He was playing out wide, and his main job is to pass/assist. Jesus. It's like Ivanovic playing as RB. Totally different role than a CB, and vice versa. Different duties.

Did you not see his world class finish vs Shakhtar!!!! lol




And what are you basing this on?? Playing well in Holland which is a hit and miss league especially when it comes to strikers.

I see a lot of names being bashed about on here and no-one has picked up on one which i was staggered to see. If we are going to sign a striker i believe the best bet would be a cheap one, premier league proven and could play in the champs league and there is one that fits the bill. Demba Ba!!!!!

I like Ba. But Doumbia is above him on my list.

 

[Gump]

IMO Torres's current problem is that he doesnt get the ball when he wants it to be played at him and then when hes doing other job like e.g. roaming to flanks, chasing the ball, participating in build-up play, its someone else who gets the ball, which creates a chance. What Ive seen, Hazard, Mata & Oscar trio tend to have the ball too much with them -> They leave Torres out too often. I think it comes down to the fact what Di Matteo has told em to do. I've watched some of the games and I've seen many times where Torres tries to run to a gap between defenders but ball aint played there, instead retained by Midfield trio. Then they pass between themselves and most likely the chance they will create happens to one of them, not Torres. Hes either watching what they do as an innocent bystander or he participated in the build-up play to that chance. It also happens that sometimes he gets the ball, which leads to him scoring, getting a good shot or he made a mistake e.g. losing the ball due to bad touch, basically **** happens. We've seen he still has pace, acceleration, decent ball control and stuff but he aint a Lionel Messi; He cant dribble past 3 or 4 defenders and then score. He does run a lot in the pitch, doing different sorts of job and then hes also expected to score. A lot of work for one man gotta say, not that he cant do it as he can, but Chelsea needs more direct passes into the positions he wants the ball in.

I hope though he will continue scoring as I got him in my Fantasy lol

 

[cfc12345]

Oh, stop it. Sturridge WAS NOT a striker back then. He was playing out wide, and his main job is to pass/assist. Jesus. It's like Ivanovic playing as RB. Totally different role than a CB, and vice versa. Different duties.

All because he was being played out wide it doesnt mean he is a winger! Thats like saying if John Terry gets put upfront one game he is not a defender. Ofcourse he could of done a better job o the wing regarding his passing and greedyness but he is only young and Ivanovic when moved from cb to rb was more experienced and older so of course it isnt a surprise he adapted quicker.

Stick Sturridge upfront and I have no doubts he would score more then Torres tbh. He has even said himself if he was the regular striker he would score 20 a season which shows his confidence in his own ability playing up top.

 

[Nick Chelsea]

All because he was being played out wide it doesnt mean he is a winger! Thats like saying if John Terry gets put upfront one game he is not a defender. Ofcourse he could of done a better job o the wing regarding his passing and greedyness but he is only young and Ivanovic when moved from cb to rb was more experienced and older so of course it isnt a surprise he adapted quicker.

Stick Sturridge upfront and I have no doubts he would score more then Torres tbh. He has even said himself if he was the regular striker he would score 20 a season which shows his confidence in his own ability playing up top.

We are not talking about what his natural position is, rather what he must do when he is out wide.

 

[cfc12345]

We are not talking about what his natural position is, rather what he must do when he is out wide.

Yes and I agree he could of done a better job out wide and looked to pass the ball more often but what I am saying is people are too harsh on him when they moan about him going for goal when his natural instinct as being originally a striker is to go for goal and try to score. I would love to see Sturridge playing upfront regular cause he scored what 14-15 goals out wide last season so if given the chance upfront where he wont be in the wrong for going for goal often and have to look for passes and try and get assists often how many more goals would he score?

 

[Nick Chelsea]

Yes and I agree he could of done a better job out wide and looked to pass the ball more often but what I am saying is people are too harsh on him when they moan about him going for goal when his natural instinct as being originally a striker is to go for goal and try to score. I would love to see Sturridge playing upfront regular cause he scored what 14-15 goals out wide last season so if given the chance upfront where he wont be in the wrong for going for goal often and have to look for passes and try and get assists often how many more goals would he score?

As I said, we need a striker. A new striker.


Sturridge should be given a few starts though. Let him have that position for a few games and see what happens. But a new striker is a must. Neither Sturridge nor Torres would win us trophies.

 

[Tyton]

The obvious question is whether nearly strikerless system where forward just sits deep, participates in build up, binds central defenders and rarely actually enters the six-yard box, is by design, as Mike. would want it, or is it just because Torres can't do anything else.

I mean, Real sort of plays like this, with Benzema basically being 20 milion post for Ronaldo to bounce balls off, and Dortmund plays similarily in the front as well, so its not unheard of, but when i watch Chelsea it just seems forced.

 

[rephlex]

Police no longer investigating complaints against Clattenburg. Going to be curious to see the results of this if there is nothing to answer for, because mud unfortunately tends to stick.

 

[cfc12345]

As I said, we need a striker. A new striker.


Sturridge should be given a few starts though. Let him have that position for a few games and see what happens. But a new striker is a must. Neither Sturridge nor Torres would win us trophies.

Yeah I agree a new striker is needed. If I had it my way Falcao would be in a Chelsea shirt come January 1st XD

 

[Nick Chelsea]

Yeah I agree a new striker is needed. If I had it my way Falcao would be in a Chelsea shirt come January 1st XD

My favourite striker at the moment. But its highly unlikely to say the least.

 

[cfc12345]

My favourite striker at the moment. But its highly unlikely to say the least.

I wouldnt mind if we tried a player plus cash deal involving Torres. Torres has said he wants to finish his career back at Atletico and I am sure they would welcome him back with open arms so offering them him plus a nice bit of money could be worth a shot? Wont happen though as much as I would like it to.

 

[Mike.]

The obvious question is whether nearly strikerless system where forward just sits deep, participates in build up, binds central defenders and rarely actually enters the six-yard box, is by design, as Mike. would want it, or is it just because Torres can't do anything else.

I mean, Real sort of plays like this, with Benzema basically being 20 milion post for Ronaldo to bounce balls off, and Dortmund plays similarily in the front as well, so its not unheard of, but when i watch Chelsea it just seems forced.

To be fair, I did also say he should be doing more, but what he is currently doing, is pretty important. Ideally you'd want a cutting edge added to that.

 

[GodCubed]

Source for rephlex's post earlier:

BBC Sport - Mark Clattenburg: Police drop investigation into referee

Someone done ****** up, son.

 

[Tyton]

To be fair, I did also say he should be doing more, but what he is currently doing, is pretty important. Ideally you'd want a cutting edge added to that.

Yeah, if he just took more chances i'd be great. Just take the ball and hoof it or speed past the defense once or twice. Even if it fails the defense will attempt to correct, leaving more space for mid trio to do their magic. 2007 Torres would be ****** terryfing in this system. As it is he's too predictable.

 

[Mike.]

Police drop investigation into Mark Clattenburg over racism claim

• Police find 'no evidence an offence has been committed'
• Chelsea chairman says club was 'obliged' to report referee

• David Hytner
• The Guardian, Tuesday 13 November 2012 20.39 GMT

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Chelsea's Mikel John Obi argues with the referee Mark Clattenburg during his team's 3-2 defeat by Manchester United on 28 October. Photograph: Nick Potts/PA

Mark Clattenburg will not face police action for his alleged use of racist language towards the Chelsea midfielder Mikel John Obi last month. The Metropolitan Police announced that it had dropped its investigation after no victim came forward.
The Football Association said that the Met's decision had no bearing on its own inquiry, which it launched in the wake of the allegation that Clattenburg, the referee, had called Mikel "a monkey" during Chelsea's home defeat by Manchester United on 28 October. The referee is understood to have strenuously denied the allegations.
The FA's investigation continues and it hopes to be in a position either to bring a charge or to drop the matter by the end of the week. "We are still completing our investigation," a spokesman said. Chelsea had demanded that the FA takes action after instigating an internal review into the affair, which was helped by external legal counsel.

The Met opened its investigation after it received a third party complaintfrom the Society of Black Lawyers, which wrote to ask them to "see if a racially-aggravated offence has occurred". The Met started to investigate on 30 October and, having stated that it would liaise with Chelsea and the FA, it conducted a number of interviews, notably with Clattenburg and Mikel.
At no point, though, over the past two weeks has anybody from Chelsea or the FA made an official complaint to support the allegation of a crime and, as such, it said that its investigation had come to a natural conclusion. Clattenburg, who will not take charge of a match this weekend for the third week in succession, has strongly denied the accusation.
"Inquires were made and no victims have come forward," the Met said in a statement. "The matter will remain as a recorded incident. Without a victim and/or any evidence that any offence has been committed, the matter cannot currently be investigated. If the situation changes and a victim and/or evidence to support an allegation of a crime comes to police attention, then further inquiries will, if appropriate, be made."

The announcement by the police came on a day when Chelsea's chairman, Bruce Buck, had claimed the club were not hypocrites for supporting their captain, John Terry, in the wake of racism allegations while also lodging a complaint against Clattenburg.
Buck said Chelsea had a "duty of care" to Terry even if he has done something wrong – the Football Association banned him for four matches for racially abusing QPR's Anton Ferdinand – and that the club would have been "crucified" had they not reported the allegation that Clattenburg used inappropriate language interpreted as racist towards Mikel.
"Suppose we had tried to sweep this under the rug and said to the various players: 'Look, it's not a big deal and the press are going to be all over us. Maybe you want to reconsider.' If that had leaked out, we would've really been crucified," he told the Evening Standard.

"The press seem to juxtapose 'our support' of John Terry and what's going on here and looking at us as being a bit hypocritical. We have to divorce the John Terry situation from this. From our perspective the latest situation was pretty straightforward. We have an obligation to report what may be misconduct. We did that, in good faith and not maliciously."

 

[Alcaraz]

IMO Torres's current problem is that he doesnt get the ball when he wants it to be played at him and then when hes doing other job like e.g. roaming to flanks, chasing the ball, participating in build-up play, its someone else who gets the ball, which creates a chance. What Ive seen, Hazard, Mata & Oscar trio tend to have the ball too much with them -> They leave Torres out too often. I think it comes down to the fact what Di Matteo has told em to do. I've watched some of the games and I've seen many times where Torres tries to run to a gap between defenders but ball aint played there, instead retained by Midfield trio. Then they pass between themselves and most likely the chance they will create happens to one of them, not Torres. Hes either watching what they do as an innocent bystander or he participated in the build-up play to that chance. It also happens that sometimes he gets the ball, which leads to him scoring, getting a good shot or he made a mistake e.g. losing the ball due to bad touch, basically **** happens. We've seen he still has pace, acceleration, decent ball control and stuff but he aint a Lionel Messi; He cant dribble past 3 or 4 defenders and then score. He does run a lot in the pitch, doing different sorts of job and then hes also expected to score. A lot of work for one man gotta say, not that he cant do it as he can, but Chelsea needs more direct passes into the positions he wants the ball in.

I hope though he will continue scoring as I got him in my Fantasy lol

Firstly he is not making those runs as the article posted by Subtle explicitly points out. His lack of movement and efforts is costing us goalscoring opportunitites.

Secondly while he does link-up play with the second band, as GC pointed out thats hardly what we need. We need a striker who leaves the creating to the creators and instead looks to finish off the chances they create. Someone like Falcao.

Thirdly as you rightly pointed out, on the occasion he does get the ball in a good position to score he ***** it up by taking an exra touch or whatever costing us goals

Also I completely disagree with the 'lack of service' argument. Read these two articles from We Aint Got No History and its sister site Carefree Chronicles

Conclusion is that Torres is **** at finishing. His lack of movement and effort is costing us goals and in turn matches. His link-up play is competent at best. And he mucks up our attacks with his poor passes, first touch and inability to keep the ball

 

[Alcaraz]

And the worst part is..Chelsea are actually paying Torres 150k p/w which is in the same bracket as Club Legends such as Terry and Lampard to watch this ****. What a ******* waste

 

[TJD07]

That Torres and RVP comparison is pretty poor, both are different types of player and both receive the ball in completely different ways. Torres with Chelsea gets it from wider and closer to the byline where RVP at Arsenal was much narrower and from deeper.

Not defending Torres though he does seem to miss the goal way more often than hitting it.

 

[Alcaraz]

Torres excluded but Mata included in the Spanish Squad. Del Bosque has finally discovered meritocracy