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Mike. said:
No one will deny he is woeful. But booing your own player is low imo.
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Anyone who boos a player currently on our wage bill just because he is playing poorly is scum in my opinion. Yes his Chelsea career is finished 100% (didn't help tactically inept Rafa bought on a striker to play him out wide) but booing does not solve/help anything period!

Anyone still believe Rafa is worth his salt now??? Same mistakes over and over again from Rafa! Yes players are to blame too as many were poor tonight, Lampard and Ramires cannot play midfield together and far too sloppy in possession. Mata and Oscar cannot play together in my eyes as they like to operate the same space and both were ineffective tonight but Rafa wow! Lambert comes on a powerful forward who likes the ball in the air, he will get himself on the worst defender in the air i.e Azpili which he continued to do, as a manager you SHOULD realise that and do something about it! Bring Azpi off for Brana or bring Ramires/Lampard off stick Luiz in midfield and get JT on to combat that threat! This is a man who has been out thought tactically by Redknapp, Alladyce, Laudrup and now Adkins, no disrespect to any of them managers at all because they are here for a reason but it shouldn't be happening constantly.
 
Subs done during the games are propably Rafa's biggest weakness.
 
2-0 up and you ****** it up. All you had to do was keep tight at the back and it is an easy 3 points. My first thoughts after giving a 2-0 lead away are either bad tactics are bad defending. I don't know how Torres is being blamed unless he scored two own goals?
 
Tyton said:
Subs done during the games are propably Rafa's biggest weakness.
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And a good manager realises this and learns from it!

Tezzz said:
2-0 up and you ****** it up. All you had to do was keep tight at the back and it is an easy 3 points. My first thoughts after giving a 2-0 lead away are either bad tactics are bad defending. I don't know how Torres is being blamed unless he scored two own goals?
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Torres wasn't helped being bought on right wing!
 
CJACKO11 said:
Anyone who boos a player currently on our wage bill just because he is playing poorly is scum in my opinion. Yes his Chelsea career is finished 100% (didn't help tactically inept Rafa bought on a striker to play him out wide) but booing does not solve/help anything period!

Anyone still believe Rafa is worth his salt now??? Same mistakes over and over again from Rafa! Yes players are to blame too as many were poor tonight, Lampard and Ramires cannot play midfield together and far too sloppy in possession. Mata and Oscar cannot play together in my eyes as they like to operate the same space and both were ineffective tonight but Rafa wow! Lambert comes on a powerful forward who likes the ball in the air, he will get himself on the worst defender in the air i.e Azpili which he continued to do, as a manager you SHOULD realise that and do something about it! Bring Azpi off for Brana or bring Ramires/Lampard off stick Luiz in midfield and get JT on to combat that threat! This is a man who has been out thought tactically by Redknapp, Alladyce, Laudrup and now Adkins, no disrespect to any of them managers at all because they are here for a reason but it shouldn't be happening constantly.
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Cool hindsight bro.

Lambert came on and attempted two aerial duels. He won one. Hardly bullying Azpilicueta now, is he?

Also, none of those games you mentioned were down to Rafa's tactics. On a whole, Rafa's tactical decisions - attempting to add width by utilising Moses, Marin and Azpilicueta, using Luiz as an energetic box-to-box midfielder - have actually come out pretty well, unorthodox or not.
 
Tezzz said:
2-0 up and you ****** it up. All you had to do was keep tight at the back and it is an easy 3 points. My first thoughts after giving a 2-0 lead away are either bad tactics are bad defending. I don't know how Torres is being blamed unless he scored two own goals?
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Certainly the latter.

The striker issue has been addressed. Now Chelsea need to sort out their awful midfield shape. They could do worse than a certain Yann M'Vila, actually...
 
GodCubed said:
Cool hindsight bro.

Lambert came on and attempted two aerial duels. He won one. Hardly bullying Azpilicueta now, is he?

Also, none of those games you mentioned were down to Rafa's tactics. On a whole, Rafa's tactical decisions - attempting to add width by utilising Moses, Marin and Azpilicueta, using Luiz as an energetic box-to-box midfielder - have actually come out pretty well, unorthodox or not.
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He does not realise when he needs to change things, how many times do we need to drop points for people outside of Chelsea to realise this??? Again lets reiterate i am not just blaming him because that would be wrong but he keeps making the same mistakes, mistakes he made whilst manager of Liverpool.
 
I'm bit fed up listening and reading about Chelsea fans moaning about their managers, How about get rid of board/chairman instead!. No one seems moan about Roman!.
 
CJACKO11 said:
He does not realise when he needs to change things, how many times do we need to drop points for people outside of Chelsea to realise this??? Again lets reiterate i am not just blaming him because that would be wrong but he keeps making the same mistakes, mistakes he made whilst manager of Liverpool.
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So, what with your main example of "Lambert had the beating of Azpilicueta in the air" lying in various pieces on the metaphorical floor, care to cite any more examples of Rafa's supposed tactical ineptitude?

Perhaps he isn't particularly good at using his bench, but considering his bench is ******* **** at the moment I'm willing to give him a little leeway. I mean look at the bench today: Turnbull, Terry, Ivanovic, Paulo ******* Ferreira, Bertrand, Marin and Torres. That's hardly a bench to strike fear into the opposition, and it's certainly not a bench you can use to make big tactical substitutions.

What kind of level are you expecting Chelsea to play to? You're dropping points because your squad plainly isn't good enough at the moment. It is far too unbalanced.
 
sdbrook said:
I'm bit fed up listening and reading about Chelsea fans moaning about their managers, How about get rid of board/chairman instead!. No one seems moan about Roman!.
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Probably because he turned them from a decent club in financial trouble into European Champions.
 
sdbrook said:
I'm bit fed up listening and reading about Chelsea fans moaning about their managers, How about get rid of board/chairman instead!. No one seems moan about Roman!.
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My last blog which was written last week touched on this actually mate, changes need to happen below Roman i.e his advisers. Fully understand this is where all the **** begins with.

GodCubed said:
So, what with your main example of "Lambert had the beating of Azpilicueta in the air" lying in various pieces on the metaphorical floor, care to cite any more examples of Rafa's supposed tactical ineptitude?

Perhaps he isn't particularly good at using his bench, but considering his bench is ******* **** at the moment I'm willing to give him a little leeway. I mean look at the bench today: Turnbull, Terry, Ivanovic, Paulo ******* Ferreira, Bertrand, Marin and Torres. That's hardly a bench to strike fear into the opposition, and it's certainly not a bench you can use to make big tactical substitutions.

What kind of level are you expecting Chelsea to play to? You're dropping points because your squad plainly isn't good enough at the moment. It is far too unbalanced.
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What are the excuses for the away games then? Not having the "its the fans fault for booing" because that is horse **** because it's not like we booed when we were 2-0 up was it. Marin is a player who could make a difference if given time on the pitch and like i said he fails to realise when he needs to change things. Nothing he could have done about the Lambert goal as it was just as he came on but Ramires was shocking so bring on someone to stick on Lambert who was a threat when he came on. Its the same thing over and over again mate surely you understand that?
 
CJACKO11 said:
What are the excuses for the away games then? Not having the "its the fans fault for booing" because that is horse **** because it's not like we booed when we were 2-0 up was it. Marin is a player who could make a difference if given time on the pitch and like i said he fails to realise when he needs to change things. Nothing he could have done about the Lambert goal as it was just as he came on but Ramires was shocking so bring on someone to stick on Lambert who was a threat when he came on. Its the same thing over and over again mate surely you understand that?
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My word, you're evading hard. Not only did you pretty much just skate over the Rafa tactical debate, you also erected a straw man with the booing. Frankly I don't give two ***** who boos who, I don't think it effects performance that much.

Marin is one player, yes, but he's hardly someone you can regularly look to to change a game. He's shown nothing on the pitch so far - and judging by his lack of appearances, in training as well - to show why he should be given minutes. It would've just been a change for change's sake.

Ramires was shocking, was he? Despite the fact that he pretty much single-handedly held your midfield together, covering for the (dire) Lampard and trying to actually give some structure to your team. I could cite lots of figures at you to defend Ramires (over double the amount of aerial duels won by anyone else on the pitch, 88% pass accuracy, 4 tackles, 2 interceptions, for example) but even looking at it with the naked eye he was markedly your best midfield performer apart from Hazard.

And finally: Lambert was only a threat because Chelsea utterly failed to deal with his supply. That was the problem; with Lampard going walkies in CM, Ramires was unable to cut off all supply to the Southampton high midfielders. With the likes of Cole and Azpilicueta left exposed by their wingers and Davis, Schneiderlin and Cork outnumbering Ramires and Oscar (the only other member of the midfield to do any ****** defending), it was no surprise Lambert wrecked havoc.
 
Surely Roman being a successful businessman that he is and must surely see this, he must make the final decisions on hiring and firing!. It looks to me that Chelsea is a small club trying be big club with no long term project!. When was last time a Chelsea youngster to come through the ranks!, could be John Terry now in thirties!, It seems buy, buy, buy!!!!, even the young players in the Chelsea squad have been brought!. It's not down to managers because they never their long enough to set up a youth set up!. If look at the bigger clubs around the world most of them produce their youngsters, ie clubs like FC Barcelona, FC Bayern, AFC Ajax, Manchester United & Arsenal with history producing good young players and winning trophies!. With not just buy success!, I know do buy players but it is mixture of both!.
 
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And not forgetting Josh McEachran on loan-he'll defo be a first teamer
 
ajt09 said:
And not forgetting Josh McEachran on loan-he'll defo be a first teamer
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I bet he will be sold before next season summer transfer window shut. Is he's pulling up much grass at moment, where is he loan to is Middlesbrough?.
 
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yup. last i saw he had a nice little solid middle partnership going. and if he was to be sold (which i doubt) ther'll be plenty of takers. I'd have him at Goodison
 
GodCubed said:
My word, you're evading hard. Not only did you pretty much just skate over the Rafa tactical debate, you also erected a straw man with the booing. Frankly I don't give two ***** who boos who, I don't think it effects performance that much.

Marin is one player, yes, but he's hardly someone you can regularly look to to change a game. He's shown nothing on the pitch so far - and judging by his lack of appearances, in training as well - to show why he should be given minutes. It would've just been a change for change's sake.

Ramires was shocking, was he? Despite the fact that he pretty much single-handedly held your midfield together, covering for the (dire) Lampard and trying to actually give some structure to your team. I could cite lots of figures at you to defend Ramires (over double the amount of aerial duels won by anyone else on the pitch, 88% pass accuracy, 4 tackles, 2 interceptions, for example) but even looking at it with the naked eye he was markedly your best midfield performer apart from Hazard.

And finally: Lambert was only a threat because Chelsea utterly failed to deal with his supply. That was the problem; with Lampard going walkies in CM, Ramires was unable to cut off all supply to the Southampton high midfielders. With the likes of Cole and Azpilicueta left exposed by their wingers and Davis, Schneiderlin and Cork outnumbering Ramires and Oscar (the only other member of the midfield to do any ****** defending), it was no surprise Lambert wrecked havoc.
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Unacceptable. You have come up with an approach that shows Rafa was not the downfall of Chelsea tonight. This will not do.
 
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