The Chelsea Thread

[Athe~]

Problem is, conversion rate is such a woolly statistic, and everyone has their own definition of what a shot is and lots of other auxiliary junk. Opta stats put RVP's conversion rate - which they have a dedicated stat for - at 22%, compared to Whoscored putting him at about 18%.

Oh I agree, different sites use different methods, but I'll hazard a guess and say that Aspas' numbers are still below average using Opta's numbers.

That said, it's a bit harsh on Aspas to judge him on stats alone, they say stats don't lie but when you play the lone striker role for a relegation-battling side like Celta you don't always get the service you need and sometimes you're forced to take tough shots -which will count against you- because there really isn't much more you can do. Furthermore, if we are to judge Aspas on stats alone, then we shouldn't forget that he was not only Celta's top scorer, but he also lead them in assists and key passes, which highlights just how much Celta relied on him for pretty much everything.

But that has nothing to do with Chelsea, though.

 

[Aannddyy]

14% is low for an out and out striker, but for a number 10, that seems pretty good. Also Demba Ba's is 12% so I refuse to take any stick from Chelsea fans. (;

Well, when your main striker is Suarez (~12%) you can see where he's coming from . Sadly, however, Aspas' conversion rate is not 14% but 11.5%, according to that list...

Don't care if it's 12%, as long as he keeps scoring and keeps creating chances what does it matter?

I'm sorry, I didn't understand.
Now, what is "Shot conversion rate"? Goals per shot? Because that same as Chance conversion rate.

..I have no idea. I read that his shot-conversion rate was 14%, whether that's the same as chance-conversion rate, I don't know.

 

[GodCubed]

I'm sorry, I didn't understand.
Now, what is "Shot conversion rate"? Goals per shot? Because that same as Chance conversion rate.

'Shot conversion rate' measures how many of a striker's shots were goals.

It is NOT the same as 'chance conversion rate', which measures how many clear-cut chances the striker turned into goals.

Oh I agree, different sites use different methods, but I'll hazard a guess and say that Aspas' numbers are still below average using Opta's numbers.

I think they are, yes.

That said, it's a bit harsh on Aspas to judge him on stats alone, they say stats don't lie but when you play the lone striker role for a relegation-battling side like Celta you don't always get the service you need and sometimes you're forced to take tough shots -which will count against you- because there really isn't much more you can do. Furthermore, if we are to judge Aspas on stats alone, then we shouldn't forget that he was not only Celta's top scorer, but he also lead them in assists and key passes, which highlights just how much Celta relied on him for pretty much everything.

Two sides of a coin with relegation-battling teams' star strikers. On one hand, they don't get as much service, on the other, the team relies on them almost completely so will look for him at the first opportunity.

 

[Athe~]

14% is low for an out and out striker, but for a number 10, that seems pretty good. Also Demba Ba's is 12% so I refuse to take any stick from Chelsea fans. (;

Just because Aspas wears number 10 doesn't make him a number 10. He's a striker and has played as one throughout the season.

 

[GodCubed]

14% is low for an out and out striker, but for a number 10, that seems pretty good. Also Demba Ba's is 12% so I refuse to take any stick from Chelsea fans. (;

Just because Aspas wears number 10 doesn't make him a number 10. He's a striker and has played as one throughout the season.

Whoa, totally missed this one. Yeah, Aspas played as a 10 like once or twice last season. The rest of the time he was the main striker, usually with the likes of Bermejo behind him.

 

[Mike.]

Whoa, totally missed this one. Yeah, Aspas played as a 10 like once or twice last season. The rest of the time he was the main striker, usually with the likes of Bermejo behind him.

Once, the other 33 games were up front.

 

[Alcaraz]

The Portuguese is confident of beating Arsenal and Juventus to the £23 million signature of Stevan Jovetic, the Fiorentina and Montenegro forward, while his move to submit an offer to Napoli for Cavani not only proves his resolve to see off intense competition from Real Madrid, Paris Saint-Germain and Manchester City to land the striker, but also casts huge doubt on Fernando Torres’s future.

No idea why we would be making such a move considering we have been chasing Schurrle for quite a long period of time and as this article was written in the week leading up to Mourinho's official presentation, the Schurrle transfer had in fact already been agreed

Here is the link which proves that Schurrle's transfer had been more or less agreed by June 6th which was the day Mourinho and Schurrle met during Michael Ballack's testimonial match

So for the life of me, I cannot figure out why Mourinho is chasing Jovetic after wrapping up the Schurrle deal unless Jovetic is a plan B for Centre-Forward (Unlikely as their are better players such as Dzeko and Gomez as a plan B). Yes the article does mention we are close to signing Schurrle which makes the notion that we are targetting Jovetic all the more ridiculous

Chelsea’s first bid for Cavani, 26 — the leading scorer in Serie A last season, with 29 goals in 34 games — is believed to have been £40 million plus Thibault Courtois, the goalkeeper on loan at Atlético Madrid, That offer was rejected flatly by Aurelio De Laurentiis, the Napoli president, who is insistent he will not deviate from his asking price.

I am sorry but including Courtois as part of the deal? I cannot bring myself to believe that unfortunately and Courtois has said publicly that Mourinho actaully wanted him to return to Chelsea and fight Cech for the No. 1 Jersey next season but in view of the upcoming World Cup, Courtois preferred to remain somewhere where he was getting regular minutes and hence his return to At Madrid

Here is the link

Should Mourinho pull off two — or even three — of those transfers, it would seem to spell the end of Torres’s Chelsea career. Mourinho has been informed he will have to raise some money to offset the costs of his revamp and it is believed the club will assess offers for Torres and David Luiz, the Brazil defender.

Trying to get Torres of the books? Believable as he is on high wages which a player like Cavani should benefit from.

David Luiz? Again a rumour I find hard to believe. Luiz is very highly regarded by not only the Chelsea fans but by the power men within Chelsea as well who see him as the ideal player to lead Chelsea into their new era.

Anyway here is another link which should further discredit these rumours

 

[Mike.]

No idea why we would be making such a move considering we have been chasing Schurrle for quite a long period of time and as this article was written in the week leading up to Mourinho's official presentation, the Schurrle transfer had in fact already been agreed

Here is the link which proves that Schurrle's transfer had been more or less agreed by June 6th which was the day Mourinho and Schurrle met during Michael Ballack's testimonial match

So for the life of me, I cannot figure out why Mourinho is chasing Jovetic after wrapping up the Schurrle deal unless Jovetic is a plan B for Centre-Forward (Unlikely as their are better players such as Dzeko and Gomez as a plan B). Yes the article does mention we are close to signing Schurrle which makes the notion that we are targetting Jovetic all the more ridiculous




I am sorry but including Courtois as part of the deal? I cannot bring myself to believe that unfortunately and Courtois has said publicly that Mourinho actaully wanted him to return to Chelsea and fight Cech for the No. 1 Jersey next season but in view of the upcoming World Cup, Courtois preferred to remain somewhere where he was getting regular minutes and hence his return to At Madrid

Here is the link




Trying to get Torres of the books? Believable as he is on high wages which a player like Cavani should benefit from.

David Luiz? Again a rumour I find hard to believe. Luiz is very highly regarded by not only the Chelsea fans but by the power men within Chelsea as well who see him as the ideal player to lead Chelsea into their new era.

Anyway here is another link which should further discredit these rumours

Except neither were rumours. Napoli confirmed both bids. As for Luiz, it was Benitez who highly rated him. Neither links discredit them

 

[cfc12345]

Media bullshitting mata will be off to barca as he has fallen out with Mourinho. Funny how they could fall out before they have even spoken to each other hahaha.

 

[Mike.]

Media bullshitting mata will be off to barca as he has fallen out with Mourinho. Funny how they could fall out before they have even spoken to each other hahaha.

He hasnt fallen out. However he hasnt signed the contract extension that was due in september, which would put him in the same wage bracket as Lampard and co and also take him to 2018.

 

[cfc12345]

He hasnt fallen out. However he hasnt signed the contract extension that was due in september, which would put him in the same wage bracket as Lampard and co and also take him to 2018.

I still can't see him leaving tbh seems happy enough at Chelsea and loves living in London also would he really want to waste his incredible talent most likely playing a bit part role for Barca?

 

[Mike.]

I still can't see him leaving tbh seems happy enough at Chelsea and loves living in London also would he really want to waste his incredible talent most likely playing a bit part role for Barca?

Its not a case of him being unhappy, but Jose possibly cashing in to go back to a style he likes.
Mata wouldnt be bit part. he would be a certain starter on either flank.

 

[cfc12345]

Its not a case of him being unhappy, but Jose possibly cashing in to go back to a style he likes.
Mata wouldnt be bit part. he would be a certain starter on either flank.

Will be gutted if he does go easily Chelsea's best player but I am still hopefull he will stay and it all turns out to be nonsense. One thing Ive also thought is he has been saying he wants to win the premier league so maybe if he stays and Chelsea win it next season he would have won the big two trophies at the club and he will then want a new challenge and move on but again hopefully my thoughts are wrong and he will stay for a very long time.

 

[Mike.]

Will be gutted if he does go easily Chelsea's best player but I am still hopefull he will stay and it all turns out to be nonsense. One thing Ive also thought is he has been saying he wants to win the premier league so maybe if he stays and Chelsea win it next season he would have won the big two trophies at the club and he will then want a new challenge and move on but again hopefully my thoughts are wrong and he will stay for a very long time.

Oh I'm not saying he is going, not at all, I'm just saying why he might go. Compare how classic Jose plays to how Mata players, and consider the kind of value that he can bring in on the transfer market. In some ways it would make a lot of sense.

 

[Mike.]

This explains what I'm getting at more:


Barcelona keep their eyes on unsettled Juan Mata


Mata has emerged as a surprise potential casualty of Mourinho’s return to Chelsea
Alan Walter

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  Mata has emerged as a surprise potential casualty of Mourinho’s return to Chelsea Alan Walter

Matt Hughes Deputy Football Correspondent
Last updated at 12:01AM, June 19 2013

Barcelona are monitoring Juan Mata’s position at Chelsea and may make a bid for the Spain midfielder should he be deemed surplus to requirements at Stamford Bridge. Chelsea’s Player of the Year has emerged as a surprise potential casualty of José Mourinho’s return as the new manager explores ways of increasing his transfer budget.

With David Luiz, Mata is one of Chelsea’s biggest assets and Mourinho is considering cashing in on them to raise funds to strengthen other areas of the squad. The Portuguese has been told that he can sign two players — likely to be a centre back and a striker — but must move others on if he wants to complete a more extensive overhaul.

Barcelona have completed the £48.6 million signing of Neymar, the Brazil forward, but want to strengthen their squad in other areas, particularly in midfield. Cesc Fàbregas’s future at the Nou Camp is uncertain and there is an acceptance that Andrés Iniesta and Xavi Hernández cannot be expected to sustain their superb form for ever.

Mata wants to stay at Chelsea, but has been unsettled by suggestions that he could be made available for transfer, which have not been addressed by Mourinho. The 25-year-old is also frustrated that talks over a new five-year contract, which began last season, have not moved on significantly.

Fernando Torres yesterday reiterated his desire to remain at Chelsea, despite Mourinho’s failure to offer him a public endorsement.

 

[cfc12345]

Hull at home first game of season but we have a pretty tough start overall. Utd, spurs and Everton our first three away games which could be good cause it gets hard games out the way early but it could also be bad as an average/poor start to the season could put alot of pressure on Mourinho.

 

[Nick Chelsea]

"OH MY GAWD TORREZ IZ BAK !!!!" comments start coming in 3...2...1...

 

[cfc12345]

Bought my niece her first ever Chelsea kit today

 

[CJACKO11]

Bought my niece her first ever Chelsea kit today

Yeah i got my girl the new kit the other day, haven't even got it myself!

 

[Nick Chelsea]

10 more years of Adidas btw.

Chief Executive Ron Gourlay said: 'We are delighted to extend our partnership until 2023 after a highly successful first seven seasons. Both organisations share the same ethos and ambition and the new deal reaffirms adidas' belief in the club's status in world football.'