The Chelsea Thread

[sunilvk7]

I think the idea is that he simply isn't good enough to start for a top tier club as seen by how he wouldn't be an upgrade to any of the strikers you just listed out ... So even if there was space available, they probably wouldn't buy him and look at other options first as seen by how Atletico bought Mandzukdic even though they probably were offered Lukaku

Not really. Again assumptions with probably offered Lukaku. I'm done right at the start. Don't bother.

When a good player comes along top sides take the gamble on them, Monaco have the James money in their pocket now with only Falcao as main striker and in the Champions League next season? Spurs have only Adebayor, Atletico only now have Mandzukic and money to spend, Liverpool have money to spend and need to bridge the gap left by Suarez leaving. Top clubs would have taken him if he was worth the risk.

Lukaku is leaving Chelsea for one reason, he wants to be the first choice player.

Also not every club has russian or oil money to burn 30 Million on a player not needed tbh. Not a dig at any club, just stating the fact. All clubs work on a budget, they just don't throw money at a player when they have good enough options at their club.

Also Lukaku will never be good enough for Chelsea if he isn't given chance.

I know Chelsea fans disagree but he is making right choice for his career.

 

[Alcaraz]

Not really. Again assumptions with probably offered Lukaku. I'm done right at the start. .

Its pretty clear though that Lukaku has been available this entire summer considering how he is being sold without even one day of pre-season training and talks have been ongoing between Chelsea and Everton for months apparently. If Atletico Madrid thought he was good enough to start for a top club, they would have bought him instead of Manzkudic

 

[GodCubed]

There's a tiny, bright eyed child in my heart that is doing some fun maths. He says that we have an extra £25m to add to our already ridiculous pot and we need to find another HG player. He says we could sign Cavani and Pogba and all the pain will go away.

But it's Chelsea, so if I let him out to play we will sign Griezmann, Ward Prowse and give Torres a contract extension. ;_;

Aww you poor baby. Looks like you'll have to make do with Cesc ******* Fabregas and Diego Costa.

Lukaku is leaving Chelsea for one reason, he wants to be the first choice player.

Also not every club has russian or oil money to burn 30 Million on a player not needed tbh. Not a dig at any club, just stating the fact. All clubs work on a budget, they just don't throw money at a player when they have good enough options at their club.

Also Lukaku will never be good enough for Chelsea if he isn't given chance.

I know Chelsea fans disagree but he is making right choice for his career.

Yeah I'm not sure why so many fans in general - Chelsea or otherwise - are being so butthurt about this. It's a good move for both parties. Chelsea get money for a sulking player, and Lukaku gets to go to a team that will make him their number one.

 

[sunilvk7]

Been coming for a while. I think people would be more annoyed if he hadn't been engaging in a lot of passive aggressive insults toward the club over the last year, or if he had shown himself to be proud/willing to work for his place. A lot of us are sad to see his talent go, but are rather glad to see the back of him personality wise.

When he scores 20 goals for Everton it will lead to Sturridge comparison for sure, only change is you are getting handsome money this time.

 

[sunilvk7]

Its pretty clear though that Lukaku has been available this entire summer considering how he is being sold without even one day of pre-season training and talks have been ongoing between Chelsea and Everton for months apparently. If Atletico Madrid thought he was good enough to start for a top club, they would have bought him instead of Manzkudic

Mandzukic is the player you haven't watched then.

 

[Alcaraz]

Lukaku is leaving Chelsea for one reason, he wants to be the first choice player.

Also not every club has russian or oil money to burn 30 Million on a player not needed tbh. Not a dig at any club, just stating the fact. All clubs work on a budget, they just don't throw money at a player when they have good enough options at their club.

Also Lukaku will never be good enough for Chelsea if he isn't given chance.

I know Chelsea fans disagree but he is making right choice for his career.

Of course he is making the right decision for his career imo. Some people might argue that he will progress more if he has to compete with someone like Costa day in and day out for minutes on the pitch so always two sides to a coin

Nonetheless, I think the main problem fans had with him was that he kept talking about getting a regular starting role however, he simply isn't good enough smt to start for a top club. This is exemplified by that list you posted which showed how he won't be an upgrade and perhaps isn't even equal to any of the current strikers starting for top clubs. In 2-3 seasons, he might be ready ... Would have loved for him to stay but good on him to decide to leave instead of rotting on our bench and collecting paycheck

 

[sunilvk7]

This is posted by a Blackburn fan on boards.ie. I will just leave it there.

I don't believe the bull some people are spewing about Lukaku. The lad is only 21 years old as is already a proven performer in the Premier League. He is only going to get better over the next couple of years.

At his age RVP scored 6 goals in 28 appearances in the Dutch league, Didier Drogba scored 7 goals in 30 games for Le Mans in Ligue 2, Alan Shearer scored 4 goals in 36 league games for Southampton.

Who are we comparing the lad to? There are very few players that have broken through and are playing first team football at his age. Its ridiculous to suggest he is not good enough for Chelsea with what he has achieved at his young age.

 

[Alcaraz]

Mandzukic is the player you haven't watched then.

Huh? If you think Lukaku is better than Mandzukic then that's your opinion which you are entitled to ... Just pointing out that a top club like Atletico decided not to go for him and went for Mandzukic instead despite having a clear vacancy and good relations with Chelsea

 

[Alcaraz]

This is posted by a Blackburn fan on boards.ie. I will just leave it there.

I don't think anyone disputed that he isn't good enough for Chelsea. Everyone is happy to have him around but we all feel he isn't good enough to start over someone like Costa

 

[Subtle]

When he scores 20 goals for Everton it will lead to Sturridge comparison for sure, only change is you are getting handsome money this time.

I honestly couldn't care less about that. Liverpool were able to give Sturridge what he needed and we weren't. Keeping him would only have worked if we gave him time and a relative lack of pressure, which we couldn't offer him. It's all well and good saying: "if you had trusted Sturridge for a season as your no.1, he would have been great" but that only works with hindsight. At the time, we were in disarray and we couldn't afford to take a chance, hence swapping Sturridge for Ba.

 

[Alcaraz]

Been coming for a while. I think people would be more annoyed if he hadn't been engaging in a lot of passive aggressive insults toward the club over the last year, or if he had shown himself to be proud/willing to work for his place. A lot of us are sad to see his talent go, but are rather glad to see the back of him personality wise.

Agreed. It's a good deal for both parties and hopefully we invest the money sensibly. We might regret this deal somewhere down the line but meh ... No point keeping a sulking player

 

[GodCubed]

This is posted by a Blackburn fan on boards.ie. I will just leave it there.

Eh, different players peak at different times. At the age of 17 Lukaku was banging them in in the Pro League. Does that mean he'll be better than Drogba? Not at all. Drogba was a late peaker, it could be argued that Lukaku, like Michael Owen, is an early peaker. Impossible to tell, so using what a player has achieved by a certain age is a bit of a **** argument really.

The only metric that should really be considered is, is he good enough to play a leading role? If not, is his potential worth enough for Chelsea to keep him, on top of the opportunity cost that comes with not only turning down a £25 million transfer offer but also the players that could be funded by that £25 million? If not, then why keep him?

 

[sunilvk7]

Huh? If you think Lukaku is better than Mandzukic then that's your opinion which you are entitled to ... Just pointing out that a top club like Atletico decided not to go for him and went for Mandzukic instead despite having a clear vacancy and good relations with Chelsea

Mandzukic is much better player and no one in their right mind would buy Lukaku for 30 Million when Mandzukic was available for 18 Million.

 

[CJACKO11]

20+ mill for a player who has not done anything for us so we can't miss it and loves a sulk unless he is first choice which cannot be guaranteed at a club like Chelsea. Has to be taken in my eyes.

 

[Alcaraz]

Mandzukic is much better player and no one in their right mind would buy Lukaku for 30 Million when Mandzukic was available for 18 Million.

Even if their prices were reversed, Atletico Madrid would have bought Manzkudic because he is a much better player as you just pointed out. Therefore, Lukaku isn't good enough to start at the top level. Also Lukaku is being sold for £22-25m apparently. Plus Atletico had huge leverage over Chelsea when we were pursuing Costa and Luis so it's not like they couldn't have use it to their advantage to drive down the price further

 

[sunilvk7]

Eh, different players peak at different times. At the age of 17 Lukaku was banging them in in the Pro League. Does that mean he'll be better than Drogba? Not at all. Drogba was a late peaker, it could be argued that Lukaku, like Michael Owen, is an early peaker. Impossible to tell, so using what a player has achieved by a certain age is a bit of a **** argument really.

The only metric that should really be considered is, is he good enough to play a leading role? If not, is his potential worth enough for Chelsea to keep him, on top of the opportunity cost that comes with not only turning down a £25 million transfer offer but also the players that could be funded by that £25 million? If not, then why keep him?

Not sure using some exception to the rules like Drogba makes your argument any better. Point is Lukaku is talented and has proved in the league scoring many league goals. Is he good enough to lead the line for Chelsea? Who knows, to know that you need a manager who trust young manager and is willing to give chance. I don't think that's the case at Chelsea as lack of trophies means managers gets sacked.

 

[sunilvk7]

Even if their prices were reversed, Atletico Madrid would have bought Manzkudic because he is a much better player as you just pointed out. Therefore, Lukaku isn't good enough to start at the top level. Also Lukaku is being sold for £22-25m apparently. Plus Atletico had huge leverage over Chelsea when we were pursuing Costa and Luis so it's not like they couldn't have use it to their advantage to drive down the price further

He will never be had he stayed at Chelsea. More players should do what Lukaku did, move to the club where manager trusts you and play you week in week out.

 

[Alcaraz]

Not sure using some exception to the rules like Drogba makes your argument any better. Point is Lukaku is talented and has proved in the league scoring many league goals. Is he good enough to lead the line for Chelsea? Who knows, to know that you need a manager who trust young manager and is willing to give chance. I don't think that's the case at Chelsea as lack of trophies means managers gets sacked.

Actually it's clear enough that he isn't good enough to lead the line for Chelsea. We sent him out on loan and yes he banged in goals but his deficiencies were also pretty clear. Also worth pointing out that quite a few of his goals at West Brom were as a result of being an impact substitute. He is definitely a player of massive potential and if he was good enough to lead the line, he would be leading the line. That's the whole point of a loan after all ... To see whether a player can play a role at Chelsea

But at the moment, he simply isn't better than someone like Costa. Maybe in 2-3 seasons he will be but not right now ...

 

[Alcaraz]

He will never be had he stayed at Chelsea. More players should do what Lukaku did, move to the club where manager trusts you and play you week in week out.

Obviously but that means dropping down a level because no top club will give Lukaku a starting role atm because he isn't good enough yet

 

[sunilvk7]

Obviously but that means dropping down a level because no top club will give Lukaku a starting role atm because he isn't good enough yet

Not sure how he isn't good enough when not given chances. He has proved he is good enough wherever he went. Top clubs not trying to sign him was for obvious reasons.

Anyways I don't want to drag this topic for pages going nowhere. It's simple, he wasn't given chance. Not all players loves to go out on loan every year. He thinks moving to a club where manager trusts him is better for him. That's a fantastic attitude, not sure why his attitude his questioned. If anything I would question the attitude of young players who are happy to warm benches at top clubs.