The Complete How to train/tutor my players thread

[Raikan007]

Question:

how do you handle exciting youth team players?

when you get a 16 year old bright prospect promoted to your youth team e.g your assistant manager is excited by the prospect of ryan hall. (best player of his generation) its exciting and ive tried to nurture them until he becomes world class, but they never seem to live up to the expectations?

Answers and things to bare in mind:

First team footbal is vital, but just loaning him out to a club isnt good enough. You need to bare in mind the training facilities of said club, and make sure the level of the club is good enough. If he isnt out on loan, give him a tutor and just play him as much as possible.

leave them in under 18's until 17 then put him up for loan, if he isnt on loan play him sparingly i.e league cup games against much smaller teams 20 mins at end of games winning 3-0 when they are 18 i slowly introduce them into first team i.e all league cup games 20 mins at end of games im winning and some starts, maybe loaning them to higher reputation teams in prem to get games at a high level.

what could be the problem is that that said player (best of his generation) is compared to the rest of the youngsters that you bring in every year (which most of the time are absolute rubbish) so he is compared to them! and maybe most of the other youngsters of that year in other teams, which most of the time the only the big clubs with great youth facilities would also only get maybe one best player of his generation etc...
the way that you are doing it is probably the best you can do it mate, just remember that the youth are most of the time compared to your other best youth players so the scout reports would be very biased and very off! the best way would be to tutor them as much as possible and continue to do what you are doing!

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you need to create position specific training for your youngsters, it is imperritive to their development! download tugs or dans training from the site here. what does also aid development and increase in stats quicker that I have noticed, is that you put the said youngster into your 1st team squad (i.e. not left in your u/18's) you dont have to select him at all really, make him available for reserves and just leave him with the rest of your 1st team guys. read through here to get an idea of the CA and PA and will give you an idea of how to best develop your youngsters

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Raikan007

1. Your first season at the club, ask the board for a feeder club, and pick the one with the best training and youth facilities available for a feeder club, I usually pick Wolves, they have good training and youth facilities.
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2. I have designed basically 5 training schedules which focus on the attributes needed for each position, I assign my youngster to the one corresponding to his position from day one.
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3. First couple of years, put him in your youth squad, basically till he's 18, and training on your schedule, he'll improve slightly.
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4. At 18, ship him to your affiliate, they'll usually give him good playing time and he'll return as a decent player, not a top player yet, but he's only 19 now
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5. Move him to your first team and give him 20 minutes per game for the first season.
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6. Now he's 19, alternate him with your first choice player for the position, each one plays a match.
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7. Now he's 20, your choice, keep him or sell him if you're already covered in his position, he should be able to fetch you somewhere between 5 and 10 million.​

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About Tutoring: (to be continued when Fm12 is released)


About Scouts:

In my experience (limited as compared to guys like Raikan), a high quality scout will give you a reasonably reliable report about the potential of a youngster. I don't pay too much attention to the star rating, rather I go into the details.

Firstly, they will tell you about the personality, strengths and weaknesses. And media handling style. These are very important, but unfortunately it takes a bit of knowledge and effort to make sense of it. See the above linked article for details. I will give a snippet:

Often, a player may be eligible to be described by more than one personality descriptions. In this case, you are still going to see only one description. As a rule, Professional> Determined> Realist> Resilient> Light-Hearted> Spirited> Resolute> Jovial. What is to the lft, takes precedence. This means that if a player is both Realist and Spirited, in the game he is going to be described as "Realist".

They also tell you how good a player is likely to be. When managing teams like ManU or Liverpool, I only buy players who are likely to become leading players for the Premier League. I only make exceptions when a promising youth is available on the cheap or has attributes outstripping his current rating.

Talking of attributes, look for youngsters having good attributes and not just potential, if possible. Pay special attention to the mental and physical attributes. Mental, because it is harder for young players to gain mental attributes. Physical because they take up a lot of CA, so if your future star has weak physical stats, then it will take up a lot of CA gain to improve him in that area, making it difficult to gain a well rounded development.

About Training:

Personally, I decide schedules for my young players as follows:

-Any player not good enough to be a decent EPL player can be left to rot on the General schedule.
-All players who can become good EPL players get the appropriate Youth schedule from Dan or SFraser. Sometimes, I can tweak a schedule if a player shows weakness in a particular area. For example, a striker with poor composure will get very high shooting training. Somehow, FM loves to give me regens who have atleast one glaring flaw
All players who have the potential to be leading or star players get personalized schedules from me. It is a bit time consuming but the rewards justify it. You can get the next Thuram or Ronaldo this way Obviously, you also need good coaches, but they are easier to get if you know what attributes to look for in a particular coaching area.

Also, much of this is work under progress, so there can be an error or two. If you think you have found one, please post here or in the original threads, so that it can be checked/corrected.
if you have any other information or tips to add, please PM me with them so that i can edit and add them to the above! thanks. This is going to be updated for Fm12 as soon as it is released

Neil

 

[sjp15991]

I was wondering Raikan, how would you recommend to handle a youth player who is a model professional. I have a dutch CM who is around 17 and will be the next Wesley Sneijder but because he is a model professional (yes I am aware that this is a good thing) I do not know who to tutor him because none of the players in my first team are model professional and i don't want to ruin his PA or personality by tutoring him with the wrong position.

 

[Raikan007]

I was wondering Raikan, how would you recommend to handle a youth player who is a model professional. I have a dutch CM who is around 17 and will be the next Wesley Sneijder but because he is a model professional (yes I am aware that this is a good thing) I do not know who to tutor him because none of the players in my first team are model professional and i don't want to ruin his PA or personality by tutoring him with the wrong position.

hey bud I would use a senior player who has good stats in teamwork, determination, work rate with a few PPM's you would like this player to learn to fit your tactic and ensure that the senior player is determined or professional personality! I ensure that my squad are determined, that is my main focus as if we go a goal down they tend to come back very quickly (which is not often I do) and end up killing the team! otherwise teach him the PPM's you want seperately and let the natural progression take place, ensure he gets enough playing time and starts every season!

 

[sjp15991]

hey bud I would use a senior player who has good stats in teamwork, determination, work rate with a few PPM's you would like this player to learn to fit your tactic and ensure that the senior player is determined or professional personality! I ensure that my squad are determined, that is my main focus as if we go a goal down they tend to come back very quickly (which is not often I do) and end up killing the team! otherwise teach him the PPM's you want seperately and let the natural progression take place, ensure he gets enough playing time and starts every season!

Well I'm Arsenal about three seasons in so i've got Arteta who is almost 33 wth Determination 14 and a Spirited Personality (because my assistant manager Franco Baldini recommended it) and his personality has changed to just Professional but his determination has improved slightly.

 

[slundt]

What about me. I have kinda the same problem. I find this new 14year old OMC, i bought to Man Utd.<BR>I put him on my U18 team , with hes own schedules concetratin on , well , all of it ( Im not good to make my own schedules ) But i have made him Focus on his passing . He is doubted the next Günter Netzel <BR>But i cant tutor him ? He simply doesnt shows when i want ANY of my players to do so.<BR>I have carrick , who is modern professional , like my regent , and play Allmost same position (cm < omc )<BR><BR>How can it be ?? When would you guys loan him out ? When would you play him ? And what should i make him train more than else ?

Thank you

 

[Raikan007]

is he listed as a 1st team player?

 

[slundt]

No he is listed as a "hot prospekt". But it's not a problem anymore . I can tutor him just fine´know
But thanks for Answer relativ quickly

Do you have any advice on how hes traning schedule should look like ??

 

[blekaut]

Quick question: when you send a youngster on loan which facilities matter? Is it better to lend him to a club with excellent training facilities but average youth facilities or to a club with average training facilities and excellent youth facilities?

I don't really like loaning players out because I'm afraid their potential may decline..

Edit: also a lot of my players reject loans, anything I can do about that?

 

[Raikan007]

Quick question: when you send a youngster on loan which facilities matter? Is it better to lend him to a club with excellent training facilities but average youth facilities or to a club with average training facilities and excellent youth facilities?

I don't really like loaning players out because I'm afraid their potential may decline..

Edit: also a lot of my players reject loans, anything I can do about that?

1) look for the best facilities! You can't loan out youth players so they will be training with the senior squad anyway

2) not really, you can try and change their squad status and look for better feeder clubs they usually dont go as they think they are too good to be loaned out..

Blekaut, just a normal Cm or box to box type schedule, do you use your own?

 

[blekaut]

Thanks for the quick reply mate

 

[slundt]

Here is my Regen again, but in english so you guys understand it aswell
How would you train him ?
He is doubted the next Günther Nexter , and i have him tutoring by Carrick (im Man utd) He has the same professional personality , (can) pay the same position and he have 2 of those spm i would like him to give on to the youngster.
But how would you guys train him ? What whold you focus on ? I have made him one where Attacking & Finniching is the main focus. Tactik and Ballcontrol is allso pretty high , and then Strenght and "the other fysik thing" plus deffensive is pretty low

 

[mekitozito]

Should I retrain to Central Defender?I got a brilliant DM so this one will be probably benched for his whole life at DM.

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[Raikan007]

Should I retrain to Central Defender?I got a brilliant DM so this one will be probably benched for his whole life at DM.

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no, he is too small, he would be a very good dlp - defend when he starts to improve, especially his creativity

 

[Coupdhaha]

Here is my Regen again, but in english so you guys understand it aswell
How would you train him ?
He is doubted the next Günther Nexter , and i have him tutoring by Carrick (im Man utd) He has the same professional personality , (can) pay the same position and he have 2 of those spm i would like him to give on to the youngster.
But how would you guys train him ? What whold you focus on ? I have made him one where Attacking & Finniching is the main focus. Tactik and Ballcontrol is allso pretty high , and then Strenght and "the other fysik thing" plus deffensive is pretty low

Hey there. Just make sure he has a unique training schedule. Considering he's playing the Premier League I would focus on his strength until it's about ~8. By doing so he should through natural development turn that stat into a respectable 13 or 14. After the strength work on his composure.

 

[if]

15 year old DM with 20 tackling, 16 positioning/marking. How much defensing training does he need? Will it be wasted since tackling is already maxed? Will post screenshot if desired.

 

[Raikan007]

15 year old DM with 20 tackling, 16 positioning/marking. How much defensing training does he need? Will it be wasted since tackling is already maxed? Will post screenshot if desired.

you need to have him still training on defence otherwise the stats will drop, nothing more than light though to maintain the stats! focus on the physical side most if he is not up to scratch and get him a good mental tutor

 

[daviefow]

Hey Raiken, you seem to put quite a big emphasis on the mental strengths of the tutor normally I just pick whoever is first choice in the young players postion. But i never have too much sucess mind!

At the end of the tutoring phase, generally how much of a difference should i see in the young player.

 

[Raikan007]

Hey Raiken, you seem to put quite a big emphasis on the mental strengths of the tutor normally I just pick whoever is first choice in the young players postion. But i never have too much sucess mind!

At the end of the tutoring phase, generally how much of a difference should i see in the young player.

hey bud,

I do, some people are different, but as I preach, stats talk and other things walk!

It all depends on your tutor's stats, I have seen players jump 9 points in determination and 4-6 in workrate/teamwork at once, with many other increases for technical and physical stats..

one thing you must keep in mind that each tutoring will be unique so I cannot give you a complete answer

 

[daviefow]

cheers bud.

 

[AFC125]

Hey raikan, do you still tutor your youth players if they have high stats like determination.
If i get my players to tutor him, his stats will fall definitely.