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LFCMarshall said:
The majority of fans have decided
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In this case its just his fault.

Rodger doesn't seams to learn from his mistakes and more importantly he lost the players with his stubbornness about his players vs committee's.

I can't understand any other reason why he prefers lovren over sakho,ibe (who doest seams ready yet and can be lost in the process) over markovic, Gomez (same as ibe) over Moreno. Even Lucas is better for me over Can in this moment.
 
LFCMarshall said:
To be honest, it's got to the point where even if Rodgers won the league at LFC it would be someone else's accomplishment... I cant see any improvement because the majority of fans have decided
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Would you say it's unjustified though?
 
the only people that still trust Rodgers is the owners. That's just because if they sack him now it'll be three years completely wasted, and a **** load of money completely wasted.

They won't wanna sack him now, otherwise they'd rightfully look like idiots. Giving him loads to spend in the summer, and selling his soul and sacking off his mates blaming them, and getting new staff.

Fact is, even the Liverpool pundits have had enough, as well as every fan. I've not seen anyone stick up for him in a long time
 
Alcaraz said:
Would you say it's unjustified though?
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Not as unjustified as I thought in the summer... But my point is that once the fans decide there is not much that will change their mind's

each negative will be spun to fit their agenda's - I mean, the man gave us our best finish in the Premier League and that was now all Suarez despite him missing nearly a third of the season
 
Ride The Walrus said:
the only people that still trust Rodgers is the owners. That's just because if they sack him now it'll be three years completely wasted, and a **** load of money completely wasted.

They won't wanna sack him now, otherwise they'd rightfully look like idiots. Giving him loads to spend in the summer, and selling his soul and sacking off his mates blaming them, and getting new staff.

Fact is, even the Liverpool pundits have had enough, as well as every fan. I've not seen anyone stick up for him in a long time
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Very optimistic theory I've come up with:

Maybe FSG are trying to give him as much time as possible so that no one can accuse them of not giving him a fair chance. Because it's so easy in hindsight for people to look back and say things weren't so bad then as they really were, it happens all the time. Like people saying that even Hicks and Gillett weren't as bad as FSG, or they're similar, when obviously FSG are much better owners.

Let's say they fired Rodgers now. Hire someone else. If he does poorly, they fire him, and maybe the same with the next manager. Suddenly there will be people asking why they sacked Rodgers, saying how they didn't give him a chance, it was only 5 games into a new season with a squad that hadn't yet gelled, and was missing key players like Sturridge and Henderson.

Maybe they want to wait as long as possible so that it will be that much harder for people to accuse them of treating Rodgers unfairly. Because if the next manager fails, then Rodgers becomes a martyr.

On top of that, maybe they want to give the impression to managers like Klopp, Ancelotti, maybe Bielsa, whoever else is out there, that they are prepared to be patient and give the manager a chance. Evidence that they don't just cave in to demand and fire someone prematurely (not that this Rodgers case is necessarily premature), but will back him for as long as they can. Much more likely to lure a good manager if he is promised time to get things right, and actions speak louder than words. A track record of supporting their man is surely more appealing to any potential incoming manager.

As I say, quite optimistic really, but maybe it's partially true. No one really knows what FSG are thinking
 
LFCMarshall said:
Not as unjustified as I thought in the summer... But my point is that once the fans decide there is not much that will change their mind's

each negative will be spun to fit their agenda's - I mean, the man gave us our best finish in the Premier League and that was now all Suarez despite him missing nearly a third of the season
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Well that's kind of a new narrative in itself isn't it to say he wasn't the major, defining factor?

We were pretty darn poor performance wise until he got back in the team after his ban. We'd gotten the results the first four, mostly down to solitary Sturridge goals, but there was only Swansea that was a good showing. And the defending let us down in that. Then we lost at home to Southampton and were aching for him back for some inspiration. (He only missed the first 5. Although it seems like a ton more. He'd served 4 games the end of the previous year, and the Lge Cup rounded it out.).

This years start is eerily similar. Poor performances the first three but getting the results. Then a shocker at home which has now rolled down to the complete lack of anything. But he doesn't now have a Suarez to bail him out and his expectations on Benteke to fill that whilst playing him like this is beyond stupid.

It was only when he came back in that we really started clicking and the goals started flying in. Of course that year wasn't all on him. Sturridge was ridiculously good. Sterling was brilliant the second half of the year. And some of the football was the best we've had the privilege to watch since Evans for me. Even with a historically bad defence, Rodgers deserved all the credit for getting that out of the players and coming within a game of the title. (You could well argue his want to entertain that year ultimately cost us the Lge but that's another issue.). He got the 5th best squad going in to within a game of the title playing some wonderful football and he deserves great credit for that.

But if EVER one man made a club side it was Suarez. And that season in particular. By the mere nature of his all out, non stop 100% effort regardless of who the opposition or game was for the full 90 minutes; he dragged EVERYONE else up and made them all better. You can deny the MASSIVE difference he had that year or else that's spinning an agenda in itself.

2013/14 is the complete exception the norm in Rodgers time here. And that happened to be the season Suarez had a career year.
 
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I'll ask this today as I'm out the Country tomorrow .....

Does anyone honestly see us getting a result in Bordeaux?

Because I honestly don't. We should, all thing being equal. They're distinctly mediocre. Which is saying little about them being they're a Ligue 1 side. And it should be ourselves and Kazan going through with Bordeaux and more so Sion the whipping boys. But I honestly haven't seen much of anything this year to fill me with hope that we actually will.

There's no passion. No creativity. No pattern of play. Nothing. Whilst still being exceptional vulnerable at the back. And his lack of experience and dismissal results thus far in European competition fills you with even less hope. And if he puts a weakened side out then God help him as he's in NO position to do that. He both needs results NOW and he needs to learn how to play in European football. I don't for one minute expect it to be. But It'd better be the strongest possible team or he deserves all the ***** he'll get.

Fully expecting a collapse in France. And honestly, out of Norwich, Carlisle and Villa at home next week; who's totally confident for a win in any of those games? Never mind what we should do. Who's sat here right now fully believing we actually will.

Sighs. It's a good job European aways are all about the social side and great food, wine and company and new cultural experiences rather than the football.

Because as I prepare to drive down to East Midlands tonight that's all I've got to look forward to.
 
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**** me. The way some people are talking on here you would think we were in a relegation battle with a few games left. We lost unexpectedly to West Ham ok that's **** but remember they also beat arsenal. Then we lost to Utd in a game where we were definite underdogs and we have people losing their minds like our season is over before it's even begun. People need to take a step back and chill the **** out. So our tactics haven't clicked yet this season so what? It's the start of the season there's loads of time to get on track. Do you think Chelsea fans are freaking out this much? No of course they're not because they understand this happens in football. We brought in a lot of players this summer and last. It takes time for a team to gel. For the love of God be patient.
 
jameshlfc said:
**** me. The way some people are talking on here you would think we were in a relegation battle with a few games left. We lost unexpectedly to West Ham ok that's **** but remember they also beat arsenal. Then we lost to Utd in a game where we were definite underdogs and we have people losing their minds like our season is over before it's even begun. People need to take a step back and chill the **** out. So our tactics haven't clicked yet this season so what? It's the start of the season there's loads of time to get on track. Do you think Chelsea fans are freaking out this much? No of course they're not because they understand this happens in football. We brought in a lot of players this summer and last. It takes time for a team to gel. For the love of God be patient.
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Chelsea haven’t been utter wank for 18 months... Plus they have the best manager in the league whilst we have an orange conman.
 
Scouseinthehouse said:
If only it were a 5 game start the season/ new player thing James.

If only.
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I'm certainly not saying it's good at the moment, but it does make me laugh how easily the word 'crisis' is branded about. I mean, with Chelsea v Arsenal, United away to Southampton and Everton away to Swansea there is a possibility we could be top 4, or very close to it, next week

Liverpool have been a 5th-8th team for the majority of the past ten years so what is happening now is certainly not the worst it's been

The big downfall with Rodgers is seemingly his stubbornness to change things and I hope he does look at changes in the next few weeks because the formation and tactics doesn't suit the players currently playing
 
He tried to change things. Against Arsenal second half, and whole match against United, we were defending deep and barely pressing. That's not how he 'wants us' to play, but he went for it anyway, and we still lost, and conceded three.

Remember him saying he couldn't be true to himself unless he plays the way he wants us to i.e attacking/pressing et al, turns out we can't even park buses!

Said it all summer, saying it now, he's a dead man walking, waiting to be put out of misery. Luckily for him, it won't be until Christmas time.
 
Ride The Walrus said:
He tried to change things. Against Arsenal second half, and whole match against United, we were defending deep and barely pressing. That's not how he 'wants us' to play, but he went for it anyway, and we still lost, and conceded three.

Remember him saying he couldn't be true to himself unless he plays the way he wants us to i.e attacking/pressing et al, turns out we can't even park buses!

Said it all summer, saying it now, he's a dead man walking, waiting to be put out of misery. Luckily for him, it won't be until Christmas time.
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I just hope that if you're right about Rodgers the owners don't make a change when it's almost too late
 
should have pulled the trigger in the summer. Could have actually got in a decent manager but looks like were stuck with him until the summer. No decent manager is going to leave midway through the season. meh.
 
dilakh2 said:
should have pulled the trigger in the summer. Could have actually got in a decent manager but looks like were stuck with him until the summer. No decent manager is going to leave midway through the season. meh.
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I am almost certain Klopp would take the job if offered... Purely my opinion, though.
 
LFCMarshall said:
I am almost certain Klopp would take the job if offered... Purely my opinion, though.
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From reading reports in the summer, it looks like we didnt even atleast try for him which is madness in itself. Maybe he was serious about wanting to take a year off. Who knows.
 
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