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Mike. said:
yeah, no it happens in business relatively often. And this has happened in Germany several times FFS. The dortmund one is just the latest in several years.
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Dude. We're not in Germany. (Not that the German situation has been on this scale of a u-turn.).

But hey. Anyone can feel free to downplay this as much as their hearts are content.

There's still a ways to go and this was just the first step. But it doesn't take away from the fact you've just seen a monumental shift over a week that's shaken the money men in football to just what fan power can achieve. We aren't half as stupid as the powers that be thought and will no longer just sit back and take this.
 
Scouseinthehouse said:
Dude. We're not in Germany. (Not that the German situation has been on this scale of a u-turn.).

But hey. Anyone can feel free to downplay this as much as their hearts are content.

There's still a ways to go and this was just the first step. But it doesn't take away from the fact you've just seen a monumental shift over a week that's shaken the money men in football to just what fan power can achieve. We aren't half as stupid as the powers that be thought and will no longer just sit back and take this.
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Did you actually bother to read my initial post, or did you just get het up for no reason at all. Both patronising and wrong in the same post, brilliant. Moving on.

I wish it was monumental, but it really isnt. Watford, Everton etc already treat their fans well without the fanfare, Watford actually said they would go for £30 away tickets. Far to early to see if it's any kind of turning point.
 
Ditto Mike. You're comstently doing everything thing you've just accused me of.

But hey. You think you're right on this in the face of everything that's happened so continue on.

*Edit* And using the clubs we've consistently subsidised for years with categorisation is a **** poor basis of a comparison.
 
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Scouseinthehouse said:
There's still a ways to go and this was just the first step. But it doesn't take away from the fact you've just seen a monumental shift over a week that's shaken the money men in football to just what fan power can achieve. We aren't half as stupid as the powers that be thought and will no longer just sit back and take this.
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I don't want to be harsh, but the relevant parties find this hilarious, I can guarantee you. The reason I brought up what I do isn't for some weird boast, it's because I literally deal with these people on a daily basis for work, pleasure and leisure. It's not some conspiracy theory, just the truth. There is no secret meeting between the secret overlords of the world, but there are numerous parties and social events where things like this come up, where people talk and brag and boast. How they managed to get the plebs to think this, how they not only sealed the deal but made them grateful for it. That is the gold standard in marketing, the holy grail. To convince people not only to do what they want, but to make them think it was their idea and their triumph in fact. Like I said, look at politics. If you can't see it in your club or in the sport, and I understand that, look at the smug grin Cameron's face when he screws over the next group on his list and the country swallows it. You only need to look at the fact that they're peddling an excessive harsh system of cuts and not only getting away with it, but people are applauding them for doing "what's needed", despite the actual evidence saying it's so unsound that the only reason to proceed would be ideological. Look at how many people in the coming weeks, if things continue, will turn on those shafted junior doctors due to spin. Someone will die because of strikes, and then the people will start talking about the greed of the doctors, how terrible unions are etc. They will have their own health service, the pride of their country, dismantled before their eyes for profit and they will applaud it. And the same people, literally the same people, involved in that, will consult on other cases for other firms. You'll be at a cocktail party, sloshed and a bit high, and you'll spill to someone in another realm of PR the current troubles you're having, and they will tell you how they would do it. This happens all the time. ****, it happened to me last week where, I **** you not, someone managed to solve an issue I was having using classical political tactics as a way of explaining to me what I needed to do (Octavian vs Marc Antony if you're wondering)
 
Subtle, you're not being harsh. You just patently don't understand anything on just why people walked out and the COMPLETE success they achieved in so doing.

But hey, go against the grain and continue to think we haven't and that we're the fools here. It's your prerogative.

I just hope other fans around the league, which seems pretty apparent there's a movement brewing by their responses, have seen just what fan strength and unity can get you and stand up to be counted as well.
 
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Fans have been building on this for years. It's what the FSF do
 
why do you bother no matter what you say he will still think hes right just walk away
 
Significant victory? One would like to hope so?
Unprecedented? no
Monumental shift? Way too early to tell. You still have that majority of clubs making no changes whatsoever yet.
 
Mike. said:
Fans have been building on this for years. It's what the FSF do
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No ****. And without wishing to blow SOS's own trumpet, they've consistently been at the forefront of that fight and have been looked to by other major fan groups.

But nobody's stood up and made SUCH a stand here to SUCH effect like the past weekend to date. That should be enough of a sign to everyone else to follow suit.
 
Mike. said:
Significant victory? One would like to hope so?.... .
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The only way it's not is if the numbers don't add up when the full details are passed over.

But the chances of that happening are excessively slim after they went to the highly uncommon (seeing as 'unprecedented' is such a stickler) lengths in football or big business of such a public apology and u-turn on everything a week prior they'd publicly decided to do to leave themselves short in the pocket. All through fan power.

More needs to happen over the next few years as regards prices per se. And this hopefully is the start, at least as regards Boston, of recognising fans aren't complete divvies, that we can't be bullshited and can decipher the facts and figures on a spreadsheet, and won't tolerate being exploited anymore. So the next step is to get back to dialogue and work on that. Which the previous 13 months was all about but they backtracked. Which lead to the past week. So in terms of Sat'day and not accepting what they tried to do, EVERYTHING was accomplished unless the numbers don't add up.
 
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A major step in the right direction for FSG would be to bin the complete laughing stock of a GM they have this side of the pond.

With picture all over the net of him living it up in Kazan with 2 brasses, and completely taking the **** by taking them the match on each arm, on top of everything else they'd be utterly foolish to keep employing Mr 'be careful what you wish for.'

Finding a replacement to Ayre and have him rebuild the relationship between fans and clubs this side of the Atlantic would be a very prudent net move for them.
 
Scouseinthehouse said:
Then aside from this that doesn't deserve the respect of answer so feel free to continue being subjective (ly ridiculousness) in your standards of whats worthy and whats not.

Have at it Sir.
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see what i mean you keep thinking you have won some thing then jump at any 1 that says otherwise but ill leave it there cos i cant really be arsed
 
Scouse, I think you're missing the point slightly. I think what they're saying is that yes, the protest achieved it's aim, and was therefore a success. You did what you had to do to get the outcome you wanted, and you got it, which is excellent, and you should be happy. As a Liverpool fan myself I think it was absolutely the right thing to do.

However, there is also the possibility that, whilst you are delighted with the result, so too are FSG. It's entirely possible - and depending on how cynical you are, even probable or closer to certain - that they are just as pleased with the outcome as you are. Thinking from their perspective, the price increase could have gone one of two ways. Either it is accepted and they make more money, or it's protested, and they return the prices to the same level they were, and the fans are happy. Before the proposed price increase, would you have considered the 59 pound tickets exorbitant? Because from all the celebrating, that price is now being treated as a win for the fans, and therefore, they've successfully increased the "acceptable price" threshold.

I've seen actual studies on things like this. A simple example is a merchant selling something - let's say footballs - for $20. Sales are average, and plenty think they're overpriced. So the merchant increases the price to $30, and then reduces it to $24, advertising it as 20% off. Sales are much higher, even though the price is actually higher for the same product. As I say, studies have been done on this kind of thing. As long as the merchant can make the people believe that they are getting a good deal, their consumers will be happy, and will continue to buy.

You can draw a parallel here. People were unhappy with the 59 pound price, from what I gather. So they raise it to 77, spark outrage, reduce it to 59 again, and suddenly everyone is happy, because they've seen how it could be worse.

All this isn't saying the protest was futile or that you shouldn't be proud of it. You should. Just be wary because FSG could so easily be the winners here as well.
 
Who's happy with the £59 main stand and Kemmy top price again Patrick?

That was part of an ongoing 13 month working group. The protest Sat'day was against everything FSG did at the end of that on its base level. (More so standing up for your fellow fan and future generations on a more personal level to many who weren't affected by certain hikes.). And it achieved exactly what it set out. A complete u-turn. Now it's back to opening dialogue again and slowly bringing prices down. The whole landscape between ourselves and Boston has changed. I doubt anyone within the football club expected anything like the response and they've been seriously shaken to stark realisation that they now have to work with supporters and that we aren't just complete fools who'll follow like sheep.

Anyone completely naive enough to think that was that and nothing has shifted in that relationship doesn't understand our ongoing situation at all.

Said it when the news broke yesterday on here. It's only one step to where we want to be. But it was a MAJOR step and all credit to Boston for apologising and accepting they monumentally f-ed up and going from proposing making even more money out of supporters to making a loss on GDA alone. Now they need to get fully back on the journey to fairness.

Be nice if other supporters now followed suit. They have the power to completely change the whole landscape of the PL era of greed if they only realised they power the hold in unity.
 
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Scouseinthehouse said:
Who's happy with the £59 main stand and Kemmy top price again Patrick?
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That's the impression I get, I've seen a lot of people patting themselves on the back for the protest, but forgetting that the reality is that there's still work to be done. Hopefully further inroads can be made, but it's very difficult to imagine that FSG haven't prepared for just about any eventuality.

And they've just bought a whole lot of goodwill without spending a cent.
 
PatrickLFC said:
That's the impression I get, I've seen a lot of people patting themselves on the back for the protest, but forgetting that the reality is that there's still work to be done. Hopefully further inroads can be made, but it's very difficult to imagine that FSG haven't prepared for just about any eventuality.

And they've just bought a whole lot of goodwill without spending a cent.
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Hence Subtle's caution. be interesting to see the actual breakdown when the back slapping is done. And see if it leads anywhere over the next 6 months
 
Forgetting about the ticket prices, I am actually looking forward to the weekend with the likes of Coutinho, Origi and Sturridge in contention

Think we may see something like this: Mignolet, Clyne, Toure (I'd prefer Lucas), Sakho, Moreno, Milner, Can, Henderson, Lallana, Coutinho, Firmino

Meaning Sturridge, Benteke and Origi all as options from the bench
 
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