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I honestly thought I would never see the day when a top player would try this hard to force a move through to... Arsenal... of all places. How embarrassing. ):

Can not quite believe it myself, but i am sure the arsenal board will only offer him a two and half year contract so next summer he can force a cut price move out of the club.
 
Can not quite believe it myself, but i am sure the arsenal board will only offer him a two and half year contract so next summer he can force a cut price move out of the club.

Yeah that's what they do. Sign WC players on club record fees just to make losses on selling them year after that :)
 
Be interesting to see what Arsenal offer him. They would have to break that wage structure they have which would upset their whole squad.
 
Depending on who you believe the clause in his contract says anything above 40m and hes gone. If you dont sell to Arsenal for their 40M and one pound then he will go to the premier league. Liverpool say anything above 40M and they start to negotiate. Seeing as Suarez has the full support of the PFA and is confident if he goes to the premier league the move will go through I believe Suarez.

Apparently the clause in his contract says he can talk to a club, it wasn't a minimum fee release clause otherwise he would of been gone already. Then if it's true what he is saying that the club promised him he could go to a CL club if we didn't qualify then fine, leave, I think we'd be a better club without him. We've stood by him endless times and this is how he repays the club? Doesn't mean we should sell him "cheap". I'd be happy with £50m but £40m in this current market is just not good enough.
 
Apparently the clause in his contract says he can talk to a club, it wasn't a minimum fee release clause otherwise he would of been gone already. Then if it's true what he is saying that the club promised him he could go to a CL club if we didn't qualify then fine, leave, I think we'd be a better club without him. We've stood by him endless times and this is how he repays the club? Doesn't mean we should sell him "cheap". I'd be happy with £50m but £40m in this current market is just not good enough.

Thing is, in this market, Neymar, a player who has been a future star for years, looked outstanding in the Confed Cup, and is a marketable brand in Brazil, now a more successful economy where marketability actually matters now - went for £47m to Barca. For all Suarez's skill, he has problems with marketability.

I've spoken face-to-face to many friends who are Arsenal fans, including parents of young Arsenal fans (the parents fans themselves), in their opinion they don't want the player to join and I'm inclined to agree with that. .. they're very unlikely to buy Suarez shirts despite the success of the player on the pitch, and his sponsorship tie-ins are going to be limited both as an individual and for the club. Racism and violence are just too toxic to associate with your brand in the corporate world, football lives in its' own bubble in that respect.

What you end up with is a severe reduction in value, both due to his overt willingness to leave the club he is at right now, his past transgressions, and his 'baggage' - the fact that nobody actually thinks any of these transgressions are suddenly going to stop as soon as he moves, and he has made it clear he wants to move, with the only interested club already having posted an offer many people would find acceptable were it Real Madrid making it.

It would seem to me that the "if Bale is worth.." argument is entirely moot due to Real holding half of the player's commercial rights for the duration of their contract, which in the case of Bale would most likely be lucractive. He's photogenic, talented, athletic, professional, and only likely to become more famous in the future so - exactly what sells well for sponsors. His transgressions are nothing like racism and violence, you could only say he goes down too easily.. worlds apart.

Oh and the important thing to remember about value, is that it is purely what the buying team(s) is/are willing to pay. If Suarez continues burning his bridges, irritating fans to the point of them burning their shirts and being "injured" a day before avoiding going on tour .. (a tour to see the fans who have supported him!) ... then he can only make the club and fans look more stupid by him returning to the line-up if he doesn't move, and demonstrating he can do exactly what he wants and still get playing time. Lets be honest, nobody is going to force him to sit on the bench all season, especially if the club starts drawing and losing matches where he'd have potentially made a difference. I wouldn't be surprised if Wenger didn't want to sign him much at all, and just feels de-stabalising Liverpool is worth it, considering they're challenging for similar places next season. It seems to be working rather well.

edit: actually misquoted Neymar's transfer, it was a £47m fee not £57m.
 
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He is lying through his teeth..

So he signs a contract which apparently has a 'if we don't qualify for UCL then i can leave' clause.. however in April before the Spurs match comes out and says how happy he is and that if Liverpool dont qualify for the Champions League he will still be here regardless

Then he blames the media for his reasoning of wanting to go, to then speak openly to them about wanting to move to a club with UCL, so it was nothing to do with the media
 
He is lying through his teeth..

So he signs a contract which apparently has a 'if we don't qualify for UCL then i can leave' clause.. however in April before the Spurs match comes out and says how happy he is and that if Liverpool dont qualify for the Champions League he will still be here regardless

Then he blames the media for his reasoning of wanting to go, to then speak openly to them about wanting to move to a club with UCL, so it was nothing to do with the media

Suarez has a history of trying to force his way out a club, did it with Gronigen to Ajax, and Ajax to you. Are you really that surprised?
 
Well, on the plus side, once he is gone, Liverpool can once again focus on the important things without all this negative press, and they'll have money to spend on a player/some players worthy of wearing the Liverpool Jersey. Cause Suarez ain't one of them.
 
We wanted to add 20, 30 goals. With suarez gone, that'll need to be 53 goals added. So, is Messi up for sale, then?
 
Sell up and re-invest, they may aswell get it over and done with, sooner the better surely? Season starts very soon, I wouldn't say they're going to be settled, the squad must be getting ****** off with it surely
 
He is lying through his teeth..

So he signs a contract which apparently has a 'if we don't qualify for UCL then i can leave' clause.. however in April before the Spurs match comes out and says how happy he is and that if Liverpool dont qualify for the Champions League he will still be here regardless

Then he blames the media for his reasoning of wanting to go, to then speak openly to them about wanting to move to a club with UCL, so it was nothing to do with the media

Who outside of LFC still believes it has anything to do with the media though? Do you think any other player who dives, bites, racially abuses, lies and is such an all round tool as he would get an easy time from the media? Only LFC fans believe it has to do with the media or the club, it's the man who is the problem.

In fact regardless of this 'clause' even existing, the fact he has gone to the media and says it exists in his interpretation of it - coupled with the current player power - might as well mean that it does exist. The legality of the clause is entirely purported to be "the club will listen to offers for me", which Suarez is manipulating by effectively, you guessed it, forcing the club to listen to offers for him as he's making his position at the club untenable.
 
Be interesting to see what Arsenal offer him. They would have to break that wage structure they have which would upset their whole squad.

The highest earners are Walcott & Podolski I think.. If Suarez is on the same/ less than them then he has a right to be upset not the other way around!
 
Easy to say but with 45million we can actually make the squad alot better all round..

Diego Costa comes in with the money from the original budget, then Papadopolous and another '10' / winger is brought

Would leave is with a line up as such:

Mignolet

Johnson - Papa - Agger - Enrique ( may be another LB arriving also )

Lucas - Gerrard

New player - Costa - Coutinho

Sturridge

Not that bad at all
 
Easy to say but with 45million we can actually make the squad alot better all round..

Diego Costa comes in with the money from the original budget, then Papadopolous and another '10' / winger is brought

Would leave is with a line up as such:

Mignolet

Johnson - Papa - Agger - Enrique ( may be another LB arriving also )

Lucas - Gerrard

New player - Costa - Coutinho

Sturridge

Not that bad at all

Not bad.. But not better than our squad from last year..
 
Easy to say but with 45million we can actually make the squad alot better all round..

Diego Costa comes in with the money from the original budget, then Papadopolous and another '10' / winger is brought

Would leave is with a line up as such:

Mignolet

Johnson - Papa - Agger - Enrique ( may be another LB arriving also )

Lucas - Gerrard

New player - Costa - Coutinho

Sturridge

Not that bad at all

+ Iago Aspas who looks pretty good i reckon Lamela or Willian at Anzhi would be good he even been transfer listed at Anzhi as they are trying to decrease their wage budget him Eto'o and Zhirkov all be told they can look for new clubs :)
 
Not bad.. But not better than our squad from last year..
I disagree... we have a stronger CB included and a more appealing attacking line up ( that doesn't include Stewart Downing every week)

the only absentee is Suarez obviously - and we have alot more depth to the side
+ Iago Aspas who looks pretty good i reckon Lamela or Willian at Anzhi would be good he even been transfer listed at Anzhi as they are trying to decrease their wage budget him Eto'o and Zhirkov all be told they can look for new clubs :)

Aspas looks very capable also... for me Lamela would be the perfect signing to play on that right, cant see it happening though
 
to be fair though, I still think he was dealt with very harshly re; evra. he deserved his punishment on Ivanovic, etc, and he's an utter gobshite, but I still think that was harsh. but i'd rather not get into another evra debate

He wasn't dealt harshly. He changed his story 3 times which proves he was a liar and less reliable than Evra. Liverpool fans thought he was saint and at least now they will see what a great individual he is. Just 2 months back he said he don't mind Liverpool not being in CL and he loves the club and now after 2 months he cites CL as the reason for his move.

He said English media is the reason he wants to move but has no problem in moving to Arsenal. **** of the highest order on the field and a serial liar. So at least when he says some gentleman agreement ****, I believe Liverpool side of the story if they say there wasn't one.
 
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