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[ICYUNVME]

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Although he wasn't saying it, we do have to look at ourselves at times as Anfield is as morgue like as most any other Premiership ground most weekends; but give us something to get behind instead of the current sterile ***** we've had for two seasons now.

You're forgetting that Moreno is also young and is still learning his trade. The only way he's going to get better defensively is eventually through hands-on experience on the pitch. Just like you want for Joe.

Moreno deserves to start anyway. In the few cameo roles he was given before his first start, he came on and was pretty much our best attacking player in the few minutes he got a game, Joe on the other hand, was good defensively, occasionally got caught out, made a few mistakes, and didn't offer much going forward. Obviously he's learning but it shouldn't be at the expense of someone who is overall, playing better than him.

 

[Scouseinthehouse]

Not proper wingers but Liverpool have players like Lallana, Firmino, Coutinho who are capable of playing from left wing position and I'm sure they are better than Moreno.

Wouldn't disagree but he's currently intent on Moreno offering the width from the left.

 

[Scouseinthehouse]

You're forgetting that Moreno is also young and is still learning his trade. The only way he's going to get better defensively is eventually through hands-on experience on the pitch. Just like you want for Joe.....

Oh absolutely. He's relatively inexperienced himself. But he's not going to get better defensively the way Rodgers has no frigging interest in defense. He's in there in the main for his pace and to give him width out the left. He get's caught out of position? Meh, one of the centre backs can cover. So if your gonna' do that, you may as well have him stay further forward and not have him worry about what's behind him.

Rodgers is beyond frustrating in his approach.

 

[ICYUNVME]

Oh absolutely. He's relatively inexperienced himself. But he's not going to get better defensively the way Rodgers has no frigging interest in defense. He's in there in the main for his pace and to give him width out the left. He get's caught out of position? Meh, one of the centre backs can cover. So if your gonna' do that, you may as well have him stay further forward and not have him worry about what's behind him.

Rodgers is beyond frustrating in his approach.

Well the way we played a diamond before is essentially the same in how we play our 3412 now. The only difference is that we don't have Gerrard. We still have a diamond in the team, only Skrtel is at the base of the diamond, and seeing how he doesn't have the passing range/ability of Gerrard, he can't be our creator. Can doesn't have the defensive abilities of Skrtel, so that means he can't be the 'creator' of our diamond (he would be our central most defender). So we have Can (and sometimes Sakho) step up from the back and play the ball out.

And the reason I don't think we play Can at the base of a 442 diamond is that he just doesn't have the chops for it, he's not good enough passing wise to receive the ball centrally and play his way out of trouble like Gerrard did (no one we have is good enough either), 3412 also plays to his strengths in that it gives him more room to maraud forward. And seeing as we have a lack of wingers in the squad, we need our width from somewhere else in the team, which comes in the form of attacking fullbacks, playing a 442 diamond gives them more defensive responsibility and thus means we may have less width in certain attacks.

 

[Scouseinthehouse]

Which all begs the question after 7 transfers windows (and not all of them committee run/ interfered with), why he STILL has'nt got the personnel to fit what he wants to run.

And then whomever does come in is gonna' need the time to not only overhaul that personnel, but change the attitude that's been drummed into the players.

 

[dilakh2]

Did it? Honest question as I don't follow La Liga outside of keeping up with Eibar's results. Only asking a every time I've watched Emre's sides in Europe they've been 4-2-3-1.

But regardless, he's been pretty darn woeful here defensively. His first couple of games excepted. Consistently getting caught out of position.

For seville he played as a defensive winger which begs the question whoever scouted Moreno could they not see he isn't really a fullback. meh.

 

[Scouseinthehouse]

For seville he played as a defensive winger which begs the question whoever scouted Moreno could they not see he isn't really a fullback. meh.

Ta la. And yeah, that's something else that needs a complete overhaul. Our scouting department.

 

[mersk]

Ta la. And yeah, that's something else that needs a complete overhaul. Our scouting department.

Didn't we sign several members of City's scouting team? Which was a brilliant move, considering all the success they had there and the great track record City have of finding young gems...

 

[LFCMarshall]

The root of the majority of problems is the transfer committee.

We have been known, in particular the last 5-10 years, to sell our best players to bigger clubs and replacing them has been a shambles because there is about 5 people's opinions on different players

I've read that if Carlo or Klopp was to be given the job the committee would be over - That above everything seems the best news if true

 

[Mike.]

The root of the majority of problems is the transfer committee.

We have been known, in particular the last 5-10 years, to sell our best players to bigger clubs and replacing them has been a shambles because there is about 5 people's opinions on different players

I've read that if Carlo or Klopp was to be given the job the committee would be over - That above everything seems the best news if true

Don't know about Carlo. But Klopp would want one man acting as DOF only. DoF given budgets by Ayre, indications by Klopp, info passed up by whoever is your chief scout, and set free to do his thing.

 

[Scouseinthehouse]

Didn't we sign several members of City's scouting team? Which was a brilliant move, considering all the success they had there and the great track record City have of finding young gems...

*Nods slowly. The two main ones.

One of whom is the current Chief Scout, Barry Hunter. The other of whom is on the 'committee', Director of Scouting Dave Fallows.

They both came over in the summer Rodgers arrived in a complete scouting revamp.

That worked out well.

 

[Scouseinthehouse]

Don't know about Carlo. But Klopp would want one man acting as DOF only. DoF given budgets by Ayre, indications by Klopp, info passed up by whoever is your chief scout, and set free to do his thing.

The whole upper management structure at the club needs to change.

I, like most Liverpudlians, hate Ayre with a passion as he has little time or respect for the supporters. But I'm not naive enough to not realise his importance to FSG in doing what he does best, making them money. The problem comes when they've more or less left him in control of pretty much everything this side of the pond and he's their main liaison. Including, for want of a better term, football operations which he knows absolutely jack **** about. No problem with him handling the budgets and financial side along with their guy Gordon, who ultimately controls the purse strings. But he should NOT be involved in deciding what players we go for and having one of the biggest say's in that. A DoF he most certainly is not.

 

[Tyton]

The root of the majority of problems is the transfer committee.

Don't be absurd. You went to **** long before committee was even a thing.

The root of the majority of problems is that your last competent manager left in 2010. That's all there is to it.

 

[Scouseinthehouse]

Don't be absurd. You went to **** long before committee was even a thing.

The root of the majority of problems is that your last competent manager left in 2010. That's all there is to it.

I like you man but there's so much wrong with that I haven't got enough time to go through it all.

Save to say Rafa was as big a problem as answer the back end. And he played his part in the complete dysfunction behind the scenes but manipulated the Hicks and Gillet situation perfectly to his own ends.

 

[LFCMarshall]

Don't be absurd. You went to **** long before committee was even a thing.

The root of the majority of problems is that your last competent manager left in 2010. That's all there is to it.

Yes, because it is that simplistic

 

[Tyton]

Yes, because it is that simplistic

Oh so saying manager is the problem is too simplistic, but saying committee is root of majority of all the problems is not simplistic at all.

 

[LFCMarshall]

Oh so saying manager is the problem is too simplistic, but saying committee is root of majority of all the problems is not simplistic at all.

The whole FSG policy and transfer committee has been one of the big problems in the last five years, yes.

The manager who you call incompetent has actually led us to our best ever Premier League finish and got us closer than any other to winning the title

 

[dilakh2]

Oh so saying manager is the problem is too simplistic, but saying committee is root of majority of all the problems is not simplistic at all.

I only like this because I LOVE David tennant. That is all.

 

[Tyton]

The manager who you call incompetent has actually led us to our best ever Premier League finish and got us closer than any other to winning the title

Luis Suarez was not your manager.

 

[ImAddicted]

The whole FSG policy and transfer committee has been one of the big problems in the last five years, yes.

The manager who you call incompetent has actually led us to our best ever Premier League finish and got us closer than any other to winning the title

Yeah and lets not forget why you guys ACTUALLY came close to winning it...