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Here's a quote to help with that.
After the results of the Torres transfer i can only feel sorry for him.Angry at first, sorry afterwards.
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A player who left to join a better side?
I still love Nando, can't have anything said against him...haha!
Can't really hate someone for being aspirational. Good to see him doing well back at Atletico and looking happy honestly.
I don't even comprehend how can people be upset about getting 50 million fee for a hasbeen who turned out to be worth about 5, and in the process ******* up several seasons for a major rival by selling them a useless striker, as well as eventually getting Chelsea benchwarmer for cheap, who turned out a world-beater.
That entire chain of events is probably the best transfer deal ever made.
That entire chain of events is probably the best transfer deal ever made.
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There's a £35m hole in that version of events though
Go back to that Chelsea thread of yours!
Go back to that Chelsea thread of yours!
It's been dead since we started playing like ****.
So lonely...
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*Edit* Withdrawn on the basis he's one of your heroes and it's never nice to hear someone calling someone you really like.
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Saw that earlier, love especially the fact that he put in a dangerous cross at the end of it - pretty decent end product to go with the run, at least in this instance. I still think he's a great talent, would love to see him get a proper chance next year, in his favoured position, without being scapegoated at half time every game
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That Chelsea side had just won the double and had been top of the table for most of the season, going through a bad winter spell (hence the overspend on Torres). You had a bang average, top 8 side apart from Gerrard, arguably Meireles and a striker whose only claim to fame up until then was being good in Holland.
I mean you can complain about his attitude etc if you want, I didn't watch enough of him for you to argue any differently. But if you genuinely think that anyone who wasn't a Liverpool fan didn't see that move as a good step up, you're deluded.
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Handing a transfer request 3 days before winter window closes, is a **** move no matter how you put it.
You know the club will have no choice but to to panic buy and drastically overpay to get a last-minute replacement. Which is exactly what happened.
You know the club will have no choice but to to panic buy and drastically overpay to get a last-minute replacement. Which is exactly what happened.
Little better? Chelsea were double winners and reigning PL champions. 2010-11 season Chelsea were runners up whereas Liverpool were 6th getting KOed in 3rd round of FA cup and League cup.
They could have rejected it and sold him in the summer. Transfer request doesn't mean club should sell him.
Yeah, but ensuing drama is almost never worth it. You alienate the player, you alienate the backroom as players will usually support the move even if they'd prefer the key player to stay, and in case of someone like Torrers, you alienate his global fanbase which back then was in millions of people.
Usually its best to rip it like bandaid and move along.
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He joined a club that had had just finished 3rd and lost the Champions League final. Their second European Cup final in 3 years.
In his first season, they finished 4th the league and lost a very tight European Cup semi-final to Chelsea. Who went on to lose the final. The year after, they narrowly finished runners-up the league. It was only Rafa's bad last season, his third, and the subsequent appointment of Hodgson were it started to slide. But then FSG had taken over, relinquished Hodgson of his duties, and appointed an all time legend in Dalglish, backing him their first window with Suarez to olay alongside Torres. The feel good factor was back ad the club was bouncing. Aside for one man who'd been sulking and acting like an *** the previous year and a bit.
Through his time at Anfield, Chelsea had had little more success than the club he left. Winning nottin' the first year. The Cup in his second. And yeah, they had just come off a double winning season Rafa's last appealing season. But the following year, they finished 6th to L'pool's 8th, whilst L'pool got to two domestic Cup Finals (losing a Cup Final to Chelsea they never should have); and Chelsea had the Champions League successive.
Their wasn't much difference beween the two clubs recent and future prospects. How much better would the following year of been if he'd of been up front with Suarez with FSG backing Kenny financially? Two Cup finals could of lead to so much more.
And he got what for his 'efforts' at Chelsea? (Term used VERY loosely.) An FA Cup winners medal he never left the bench in. A European Cup winners medal he came off the bench in extra time and never took a penalty. He must be SO proud of those two. There was only the Europa Lge success under Rafa he did actually earn his medal.
The fella' is a complete and utter *** who never gave Kenny nor FSG a chance when after they had given him what he was missing in a quality partner in Suarez. We can argue this all day, but it's pointless as it's all down to differing views but there's little you can try say to suggest the main factor in his move was'nt financially oriented.
For him to openly say he was 'joining a bigger club' was just the final insult from the rat.
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Way too much of this is retroactive thinking though. It's less clear cut when you have the hindsight to know that Chelsea would be canning Carlo at the end of the season, going through some serious problems phasing the old guard out (it was widely expected for Torres to phase Drogba out as the definite first choice within a season or two) and that Suarez would turn out to be WC, but no one did.
From his point of view, Liverpool were on the decline and Chelsea were looking to spend huge amounts of money to reinvest in the club and bring them back to dominance again. You actually sort of showed why that was in your own post. You went from challenging in the league and in Europe to sliding down the table, whilst Chelsea followed up a cup winning season with a double one. The fact that the club appointed Hodgson at all was probably the final nail in that particular coffin.
Again, I'm not agreeing with his decision to not give you a go, but it's easy to see why he regarded Chelsea as a
step up because it was in almost every way.
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He definitely regrets leaving us. For sure.
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Yeah, agreed - Without doubt