The Liverpool Thread

[Mike.]

Klopp wins the league this year and he deserves a knighthood

He won't even be thinking about the title this season. First on his mind will be getting a base together and quickly. He'll target the Europa League, and getting back into Europe, with a summer reshape. Klopp is passionate, but he is no fool. Romance alone will not carry you, you must be intelligent too.

 

[LFCMarshall]

He won't even be thinking about the title this season. First on his mind will be getting a base together and quickly. He'll target the Europa League, and getting back into Europe, with a summer reshape. Klopp is passionate, but he is no fool. Romance alone will not carry you, you must be intelligent too.

I've only heard Scouse mention the title, no-one else I've seen to be honest

 

[Mike.]

I've only heard Scouse mention the title, no-one else I've seen to be honest

Yeah I wasn't saying Liverpool fans were all doing it all, just saying in general he won't even be thinking about it. He's not just up against Bayern in terms of resources here. 3 clubs who are capable, and willing to spend small fortunes in Jan if need be. With 3 managers with very strong pulls of their own.

 

[Scouseinthehouse]

Because you arent as good as the others, you havent had any prep time with your new manager, you dont have the resources of the others, especially Chelsea and the two Manchester clubs. To start thinking of the league is to start getting extremely carried away.

Takes more than belief surging through a club to win a title.

Wouldn't disagree. But where you would, would be when I'd say I think that's exactly the same for yourselves. So we'll leave that as it's just a subjective argument.

Again, I'm not expecting the title at all. But I am expecting as strong a challenge for the top 4 as most the other clubs.

And if momentum rolls, who knows where that will end up? The whole landscape has changed at Anfield from a week ago. That three headed belief between manager, players and supporters took us to far greater heights 2 seasons ago then that squad ever should of.

This time there's a World class manager at the forefront who's gotten far better results historically out if his players than their collective talents would of suggested they should of. And that's a great leveller.

Good luck. We look forward to the challenge.

 

[Scouseinthehouse]

He won't even be thinking about the title this season. First on his mind will be getting a base together and quickly. He'll target the Europa League, and getting back into Europe, with a summer reshape. Klopp is passionate, but he is no fool. Romance alone will not carry you, you must be intelligent too.

I'll lay good money he's targeting top 3/4 alongside a strong Europa League showing.

 

[Mike.]

Wouldn't disagree. But where you would, would be when I'd say I think that's exactly the same for yourselves. So we'll leave that as it's just a subjective argument.

Again, I'm not expecting the title at all. But I am expecting as strong a challenge for the top 4 as most the other clubs.

And if momentum rolls, who knows where that will end up? The whole landscape has changed at Anfield from a week ago. That three headed belief between manager, players and supporters took us to far greater heights 2 seasons ago then that squad ever should of.

This time there's a World class manager at the forefront who's gotten far better results historically out if his players than their collective talents would of of suggested they should of. And that's a great leveller.

Good luck. We look forward to the challenge.

Liverpool cannot draw on the same resources. That's not subjective. That's an inescapable fact.

And the bold isn't really true either, as Tuchel is showing. They are not a bunch of players playing above their level. They are a collection of good, very good and some world class players who were coached by a world class manager.

Let's not start rewriting Dortmunds history.

 

[Scouseinthehouse]

Liverpool cannot draw on the same resources. That's not subjective. That's an inescapable fact.

And the bold isn't really true either, as Tuchel is showing. They are not a bunch of players playing above their level. They are a collection of good, very good and some world class players who were coached by a world class manager.

Let's not start rewriting Dortmunds history.

Going on the majority of his 14 years in management where he's gotten far more out of his players than anyone would of expected more often than not.

Again, it's pointless even discussing available resources as we're miles away in our assertions of squad strength. The fact that ours has been woefully under utilised shouldn't detract from that.

 

[Mike.]

Going on the majority of his 14 years in management where he's gotten far more out of his players than anyone would of expected more often than not.

Again, it's pointless even discussing available resources as we're miles away in our assertions of squad strength. The fact that ours has been woefully under utilised shouldn't detract from that.

He's an excellent manager, but shouldn't suddenly play down the players' quality, certainly not at Dortmund.

None of the top teams are playing anywhere near their levels. 3 of them can spend vast sums in Jan to overcome that.

 

[zzeezzy]

He's an excellent manager, but shouldn't suddenly play down the players' quality, certainly not at Dortmund.

None of the top teams are playing anywhere near their levels. 3 of them can spend vast sums in Jan to overcome that.

That Dortmund team Klopp had is much better than what he is walking into here currently. This is a much tougher task if you ask me, not playing down his achievements at Dortmund one bit, but this is literally one of the biggest challenges in football right now.

 

[Scouseinthehouse]

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None of the top teams are playing anywhere near their levels. 3 of them can spend vast sums in Jan to overcome that.

Neither are Liverpool. But now they have a competent, top notch manager to get that out of them.

And that's also presuming L'pool wouldn't spend big. They hardly gave Rodgers anything the last window with what they recouped so the money's there. What FSG have done prior and what they'll do going forward remains to be seen and is a pointless debate either way until that first, and more so second summer window rolls around. As Klopp reiterated yesterday, we'll most assuredly be looking at the top bracket of player to improve, which is a massive change in philosophy in itself. I don't foresee the mid range squad fillers now we've gone through under successive managers. He'll go out and even if it's just one or two a window, be shopping on the top shelf.

 

[Mike.]

Neither are Liverpool. But now they have a competent, top notch manager to get that out of them.

And that's also presuming L'pool wouldn't spend big. They hardly gave Rodgers anything the last window with what they recouped so the money's there. What FSG have done prior and what they'll do going forward remains to be seen and is a pointless debate either way until that first, and more so second summer window rolls around. As Klopp reiterated yesterday, we'll most assuredly be looking at the top bracket of player to improve, which is a massive change in philosophy in itself. I don't foresee the mid range squad fillers now we've gone through under successive managers. He'll go out and even if it's just one or two a window, be shopping on the top shelf.

It's not presuming Liverpool wont spend big. and more to the point, you'll be restricted by your overall wage budget, which is again smaller than the other 4. It's a simple fact that Liverpool can be outspent by 4 other clubs, 3 of them significantly so. That's just in England. That's not factoring in: PSG, Bayern, Madrid, Barcelona off the top of my head who can outspend you at a whim for said players. There is a reason why Liverpool were targeting that tier. The real issue was that said targeting was awful.

 

[Scouseinthehouse]

It's not presuming Liverpool wont spend big. and more to the point, you'll be restricted by your overall wage budget, which is again smaller than the other 4. It's a simple fact that Liverpool can be outspent by 4 other clubs, 3 of them significantly so. That's just in England. That's not factoring in: PSG, Bayern, Madrid, Barcelona off the top of my head who can outspend you at a whim for said players. There is a reason why Liverpool were targeting that tier. The real issue was that said targeting was awful.

It will be interesting to revisit this in January and more so next summer to see just how much or not the owners have shifted their philosophy on what it takes to win in todays game.

The swift move to capture a top class manager I feel is just the start in that but time will out whether it is or is more of the same.

And if momentum rolls quick, the lure of being a part of that and players wanting to play under the German shouldn't be easily discounted as a leveller either.

 

[Mike.]

It will be interesting to revisit this in January and more so next summer to see just how much or not the owners have shifted their philosophy on what it takes to win in todays game.

The swift move to capture a top class manager I feel is just the start in that but time will out whether it is or is more of the same.

I'm not saying they wont try. I'm saying it's not as simple as being able to get better players because of Klopp. Fewer elite players and a lot more money involved. Sometimes it will be better to target the so called "lesser" market. Two of United best defenders came that way. So did our excellent right back. And remember, you will be shopping after the Euros. You can stick an extra 15m on anyone who stars in it.

 

[Aannddyy]

That Dortmund team Klopp had is much better than what he is walking into here currently. This is a much tougher task if you ask me, not playing down his achievements at Dortmund one bit, but this is literally one of the biggest challenges in football right now.

Are you joking? Almost every notable Dortmund player since 2008 was either signed by Klopp or came through the academy. Dortmund were a mid-table club in a very competitive league when he took over, to suggest that people expected him to win the league within three years is just ridiculous.

 

[Scouseinthehouse]

Former Man Utd boss Sir Alex Ferguson worried Jurgen Klopp will shine at Liverpool | Football News | Sky Sports

High praise indeed.

 

[zzeezzy]

Are you joking? Almost every notable Dortmund player since 2008 was either signed by Klopp or came through the academy. Dortmund were a mid-table club in a very competitive league when he took over, to suggest that people expected him to win the league within three years is just ridiculous.

I still think he had better players, so no I'm not joking.

Honestly I think right now this Liverpool team doesn't get in top 4 with Klopp's management even if he gets the best out of them all, just don't think the quality is good enough right now.

 

[will8578]

Fair play to u scouse just being excited, just to be excited again is great even if things don't go our way, at least we're buzzing again.

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[Tezzz]

That Dortmund team Klopp had is much better than what he is walking into here currently. This is a much tougher task if you ask me, not playing down his achievements at Dortmund one bit, but this is literally one of the biggest challenges in football right now.

Get the **** out of here. Not even going into this.

 

[Alcaraz]

Zzeezy has been trying to dampen the mood on here for the past week and some of you are actually biting ... Well done

 

[Tezzz]

Zzeezy has been trying to dampen the mood on here for the past week and some of you are actually biting ... Well done

Oh god. I get enough of this in real life from the bitters. They'll try and take the **** and you'll come back and completely destroy them. And then when they know that they're well and truly beaten they say "ha ha, bite bite".