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So we're interested in... Leno, Fahrman, that Augsburg goalie, Gotze (apparently), a Polish Udinese midfielder (can't spell his name, begins with 'z'), and benteke turned down the chance to go to China in January and is getting the chop in the summer

Yup. The transfer rumour mill is in overdrive today.

Despite the result, a class day out.

It was just a shame none of our attacking players got into any rhythm... It seemed Man City were certainly there for the taking!

Good to hear. And it was/ they were. Honestly don't think there's that much difference between us for all the money City have spent. (Although Guardiola will doubtless go nuts this summer.). Hart and Kompany at the back. Toure when he can be arsed playing. Silva and Augero the other end. (Although that balances somewhat with Sturridge and the two Brazilians have the ability to be as effective as Silva with better players around them.). The rest is much of a muchness.

Gonna' be a big summer all around the league as there's not really one stand out side that's significantly better than anyone else.

Just happy we've a head start with a top class manager in place already who'll of had a season here and is used to English footie and what's needed.
 
Couldnt get tickets so ended up going to Yates' in Liverpool to watch it, was a great atmosphere in there to be fair although gutting at the end.

The whole Mignolet debate on that he "made up for the mistake" with some big saves really shouldnt be a debate. Making brilliant saves is great, but will never warrant making a mistake, it just shouldnt. There has been over 15 mistakes Mignolet has made thats cost us a goal in the last 2 years, and its beyond ridiculous now.

Cant help but think Moreno should be a winger, he's good enough doesnt he wing but cant defend to save his bollocks. My main problem with out team right now is out Midfield. Aside from Can no one in that midfield is good enough. (Centre mids that is)

Henderson has been total bollocks all season, and Milner just screams mediocre too. I've never known two midfielders who fail to create chances as much. Hopefully Sturridge can find some form again soon but willing to give him a good few weeks for that considering how long he's been out.

Lucas, Clyne and Can awesome!

Cant wait for the summer!
 
I managed to get tickets for the game tbh i really enjoyed it first away game and it was a final, thought the atmosphere was great just a major disappointment we didnt win made my 6 hour coach trip feel alot longer. Though tbh we were lucky to get to extra time they missed 2 sitters and then mig made to world class saves our only real chance was the goal. we seem to be getting in the habit of trying to score the perfect goal wish sometimes we would just get near the box and shot in stead of pass the ball from side to side and hoping to pass it in to the net. then the penalties were shocking i hate with a passion stuttering pens just why do it! the fact our captain wernt even in the 5 players to take one is a joke wheres there leadership in that.
 
Yup. The transfer rumour mill is in overdrive today.



Good to hear. And it was/ they were. Honestly don't think there's that much difference between us for all the money City have spent. (Although Guardiola will doubtless go nuts this summer.). Hart and Kompany at the back. Toure when he can be arsed playing. Silva and Augero the other end. (Although that balances somewhat with Sturridge and the two Brazilians have the ability to be as effective as Silva with better players around them.). The rest is much of a muchness.

Gonna' be a big summer all around the league as there's not really one stand out side that's significantly better than anyone else.

Just happy we've a head start with a top class manager in place already who'll of had a season here and is used to English footie and what's needed.

I've always thought we have the base for a very good side - it's just we haven't been able to attract that top talent to take us further.

Hopefully the reputation Klopp carries will help that, but even if just our GK was strengthed this season we would be ridiculously better off - so we're not far off.

Matip alongside at least one of Ter Stegan, Gotze, Xhaka and some other surprises and we are in a good position
 
I managed to get tickets for the game tbh i really enjoyed it first away game and it was a final, thought the atmosphere was great just a major disappointment we didnt win made my 6 hour coach trip feel alot longer. Though tbh we were lucky to get to extra time they missed 2 sitters and then mig made to world class saves our only real chance was the goal. we seem to be getting in the habit of trying to score the perfect goal wish sometimes we would just get near the box and shot in stead of pass the ball from side to side and hoping to pass it in to the net. then the penalties were shocking i hate with a passion stuttering pens just why do it! the fact our captain wernt even in the 5 players to take one is a joke wheres there leadership in that.

Tbh, that only came about because of a Mignolet mistake opening the game up - we had to push forward else we would have lost so there was always going to be space. The one in extra time from Aguero was the exception after a mic up defensively

Before the goal it seemed we were controlling the game quite well. We wasn't creating much but I wasn't particularly worried until their goal
 
I've always thought we have the base for a very good side - it's just we haven't been able to attract that top talent to take us further.

Hopefully the reputation Klopp carries will help that, but even if just our GK was strengthed this season we would be ridiculously better off - so we're not far off.

Matip alongside at least one of Ter Stegan, Gotze, Xhaka and some other surprises and we are in a good position

You'll need more than that. A LOT of money coming in this season, and none of the clubs are going to sit on it. I think we had this exact same conversation last season.
 
Tbh, that only came about because of a Mignolet mistake opening the game up - we had to push forward else we would have lost so there was always going to be space. The one in extra time from Aguero was the exception after a mic up defensively

Before the goal it seemed we were controlling the game quite well. We wasn't creating much but I wasn't particularly worried until their goal

As you say we might have been having the ball put we were doing nothing with it when city got the ball they pushed forward and looked dangerous. whenever they had a corner the majority of the time they managed to get there head on it whenever we get a corner were useless normally when teams get corners theres a feeling of we can get something from here but theres almost zero feeling with liverpool
 
You'll need more than that. A LOT of money coming in this season, and none of the clubs are going to sit on it. I think we had this exact same conversation last season.

Completely agree, we need much more quality than just a couple of players. This Liverpool squad needs an overhaul. We need to bring 6 or 7 really good players in. We're not strong at all accross the park at the moment.
 
Completely agree, we need much more quality than just a couple of players. This Liverpool squad needs an overhaul. We need to bring 6 or 7 really good players in. We're not strong at all accross the park at the moment.

i completely agree with this, just wondering how many of our starting 11 you would actually keep and is good enough because all i can think is clyne coutinho milner(for the experience) firmino sturridge and origi. the rest of the team arnt good enough. henderson thinks hes gerrard with the armband, personally think milner is a better captain. can isnt good enough he got the potential but will he live up to it? allen good on his day still not good enough. monero isnt a lb sakho is great on his day then error prone same with skrtel. kolo great player wish we had him 10 years ago though cant fault his effort
 
Completely agree, we need much more quality than just a couple of players. This Liverpool squad needs an overhaul. We need to bring 6 or 7 really good players in. We're not strong at all accross the park at the moment.

The priority's for the money/ real quality signings should start with a 'keeper and dominant midfielder. Either BTB or DM dependent on where Grujic is slated to play. Maybe a LB dependent on whether he thinks Flanno is good enough to start. Everything else at FB is set with Clyne among the leagues best on the right, and Smith making the major leap to show he's first team squad ready. Centre half is interesting. You could argue for another top bracket one alongside Matip. (Who also gives depth in the DM role.). But then how will Lucas develop there? And let's not forget the immense promise of Joe Gomez. Can't see Lovren going anywhere and he's improved to at least be reliable depth. I'd off load Sakho if he has a decent Euro's whilst the price is still high. Don't get the cult status with him at all. And I've already discounted Skrtel and Toure being here for next year. A quality DM who is also rangy is sorely needed as mentioned. But you throw in, hypothetically, say Gotze as a name, along with Grujic and A N Other, and the two Brazilians quite possibly then step up to the ability we know they have with better quality around them. Could do with another out and out striker, but Sturridge, Ings and the developing Origi, who's come on leaps and bounds under Klopp from the player who never looked like he'd make a footballer under Rodgers is a good mix.

I love the fact we have two signed, Matip and Grujic, with the returning Markovic hopefully like a completely new £20 million signing to give added attacking options. That's three right there. Add a quality 'keeper, commanding central midfielder, and A N Other along the lines of a Gotze and that's improved the first XI immeasurably. Then we'll see on out goings what depth we need to add. A situation where the likes of Lallana and Milner are solid back-ups would be a major step forward in personnel.

I also like that Klopp's savvy and won't over pay just because. If the quality's there he would, but he's far more about the right players that fit rather than just a name.
 
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completely agree with you scouse i almost forgot about markivic what a stupid decision it was to loan him out anyway left us with 1 winger
 
You'll need more than that. A LOT of money coming in this season, and none of the clubs are going to sit on it. I think we had this exact same conversation last season.

I wonder how big a player China will be the summer in terms of some of the names being linked to English clubs?

Be interesting to see how much of an effect that money has on things.
 
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Pellegrini:
“I don’t know how Liverpool will react, whether it’s revenge, we’re sure it will be tough game,” says Pellegrini, who also backs former Liverpool winger Raheem Sterling to rediscover his best form.
“I don’t know what will be the staring XI, but one player who I’m sure will start is Raheem Sterling. He’s a young man, young player, starting his career, and he knows how to deal with pressure.”

Completely bottled it Sunday so that's quite the claim.

But he ultimately has a winners medal and we don't so we'll lave that.
 
The priority's for the money/ real quality signings should start with a 'keeper and dominant midfielder. Either BTB or DM dependent on where Grujic is slated to play. Maybe a LB dependent on whether he thinks Flanno is good enough to start. Everything else at FB is set with Clyne among the leagues best on the right, and Smith making the major leap to show he's first team squad ready. Centre half is interesting. You could argue for another top bracket one alongside Matip. (Who also gives depth in the DM role.). But then how will Lucas develop there? And let's not forget the immense promise of Joe Gomez. Can't see Lovren going anywhere and he's improved to at least be reliable depth. I'd off load Sakho if he has a decent Euro's whilst the price is still high. Don't get the cult status with him at all. And I've already discounted Skrtel and Toure being here for next year. A quality DM who is also rangy is sorely needed as mentioned. But you throw in, hypothetically, say Gotze as a name, along with Grujic and A N Other, and the two Brazilians quite possibly then step up to the ability we know they have with better quality around them. Could do with another out and out striker, but Sturridge, Ings and the developing Origi, who's come on leaps and bounds under Klopp from the player who never looked like he'd make a footballer under Rodgers is a good mix.

I love the fact we have two signed, Matip and Grujic, with the returning Markovic hopefully like a completely new £20 million signing to give added attacking options. That's three right there. Add a quality 'keeper, commanding central midfielder, and A N Other along the lines of a Gotze and that's improved the first XI immeasurably. Then we'll see on out goings what depth we need to add. A situation where the likes of Lallana and Milner are solid back-ups would be a major step forward in personnel.

I also like that Klopp's savvy and won't over pay just because. If the quality's there he would, but he's far more about the right players that fit rather than just a name.

I dont think Grujic is going to be a main starter next season, I would be surprised, so I think we need much more than what you've said. Keeper obviously one of them! In terms of a striker, this is the argument I've had with my mate for the season. While I like Origi and really like the look of Ings, we still need another quality striker up front, not too sure Gotze is the guy we need either. Great player, but another AM to a long list of them.

Benteke can hopefully go, I think thats nailed on after Sunday. But we need a possible 20 goal a season striker in too. (Who is not a target man)

I would definitely add another quality centre half on top of Matip, as bar Lucas all of ours are inconsistent, and us not knowing if Lucas will end up being a quality CB in the long run. I like Brad Smith too, but again think we need a proper left back and would be sad to say because I do like him, but get rid of Moreno, unless we are willing to develop him into a winger.

The only thing keeping me in a good mood about this squad this season is knowing we have a brilliant manager with a good backing team who will know eventually how to change it.

Without Klopp right now I would fear for our club more than I ever had.

"Gerrard - Alonso - Mascherano

Henderson - Can - Milner"

"That speaks volumes of where we have fell down to in the last 7 years.
 
You'll need more than that. A LOT of money coming in this season, and none of the clubs are going to sit on it. I think we had this exact same conversation last season.

I didn't mean for one second that's all we need, I just mentioned some of the names we've been linked with... There are bound to be other surprise signings we wont know anything about

The main point is just getting one or two quality individuals, rather than 6 or 7 players who are good squad players

A GK, fullback, central midfielder, winger and striker will probably be the first team improvements and then perhaps some squad members signed on top depending on the departures
 
Bad news for me, the Norwegian broadcaster of PL are increasing their prices further after this season. Kinda expected, but still... From August 1st they'll be demanding 449 NOK, roughly £40 per month.

And while they're at it, they're including Norwegian Tippeligaen into the price as if they're trying to convince us we're getting more value for money. But the truth is I couldn't give 2 ***** about Norwegian football. The level is just too low. And we don't even get the option to pay only for PL, it's all or nothing. **** them, so soo hard.

That means I'll end up with low quality **** streams. I'm a student ffs, I can't afford that kinda money for ~4 games a month. And there's not even a guarantee I get to see Liverpool, as they're only allowed to show one game on Saturdays 4pm (GMT+1). **** that. After this season, I'm gonna have to stick with stuttering streams with popups and all kinds of ****. Gee how I miss spending 30mins before each match looking for the best stream in an ocean of ****, I can't wait for that to become the norm again.
 
The priority's for the money/ real quality signings should start with a 'keeper and dominant midfielder. Either BTB or DM dependent on where Grujic is slated to play. Maybe a LB dependent on whether he thinks Flanno is good enough to start. Everything else at FB is set with Clyne among the leagues best on the right, and Smith making the major leap to show he's first team squad ready. Centre half is interesting. You could argue for another top bracket one alongside Matip. (Who also gives depth in the DM role.). But then how will Lucas develop there? And let's not forget the immense promise of Joe Gomez. Can't see Lovren going anywhere and he's improved to at least be reliable depth. I'd off load Sakho if he has a decent Euro's whilst the price is still high. Don't get the cult status with him at all. And I've already discounted Skrtel and Toure being here for next year. A quality DM who is also rangy is sorely needed as mentioned. But you throw in, hypothetically, say Gotze as a name, along with Grujic and A N Other, and the two Brazilians quite possibly then step up to the ability we know they have with better quality around them. Could do with another out and out striker, but Sturridge, Ings and the developing Origi, who's come on leaps and bounds under Klopp from the player who never looked like he'd make a footballer under Rodgers is a good mix.

I love the fact we have two signed, Matip and Grujic, with the returning Markovic hopefully like a completely new £20 million signing to give added attacking options. That's three right there. Add a quality 'keeper, commanding central midfielder, and A N Other along the lines of a Gotze and that's improved the first XI immeasurably. Then we'll see on out goings what depth we need to add. A situation where the likes of Lallana and Milner are solid back-ups would be a major step forward in personnel.

I also like that Klopp's savvy and won't over pay just because. If the quality's there he would, but he's far more about the right players that fit rather than just a name.

As you mentioned, Grujic, Matip and Markovic already signed up/returning so we are already in a better position.

We'll need more, but even if two quality first team signings were all that was made it would be progress (Ter Stegan and Xhaka even if unlikely)

CB, GK, CM improved with a winger returning and Origi, Sturridge, Ings all fit (hopefully!)

and that's at a minimum one would assume
 
I didn't mean for one second that's all we need, I just mentioned some of the names we've been linked with... There are bound to be other surprise signings we wont know anything about

The main point is just getting one or two quality individuals, rather than 6 or 7 players who are good squad players

A GK, fullback, central midfielder, winger and striker will probably be the first team improvements and then perhaps some squad members signed on top depending on the departures

Yeah everyone you buy needs to be a clear cut about what you have. Hugely difficult to pull off, because everyone will want a piece of said targets
 
..... In terms of a striker, this is the argument I've had with my mate for the season. While I like Origi and really like the look of Ings, we still need another quality striker up front, not too sure Gotze is the guy we need either. Great player, but another AM to a long list of them.

Benteke can hopefully go, I think thats nailed on after Sunday. But we need a possible 20 goal a season striker in too. (Who is not a target man) .....

Hey, if we can add a quality striker who fits brilliant. But I also think with better players around them taking the emphasis off, you'll see the two Brazilians shining more and Firmino in particular adding a good percentage of goals. He's shown he's got top ability. Just needs the consistency that a second season and better teammates will hopefully bring. And although not his ideal position for me, he's looked at his best when he's been up top. Maybe Markovic adds to the goals output if he fits under Klopp like you think he would with his speed and work-rate? Ibe's another attacking option I'd expect to be much better than this year as he develops with better quality around him. All relative.

..... I like Brad Smith too, but again think we need a proper left back .....

You don't think either Smith or Flanno are 'proper' FB's? Not saying Smith should be a regular starter, but he's certainly showed enough for you to have no worries if he had to. And when Flanagan's returned to full health, he's as solid as anything back there. Yeah, he lack's the pace to get up and down. But with Clyne doing that more and more on the right and hardly ever getting caught out of position, with say a Markovic type with his speed ahead of him Jon can just do what he does best. Defend. That said, if we can improve on either with a new LB and they both stay as quality depth, then brilliant.

..... The only thing keeping me in a good mood about this squad this season is knowing we have a brilliant manager with a good backing team who will know eventually how to change it.

Without Klopp right now I would fear for our club more than I ever had.....

Absolutely. And I think that will be a big leveller when it comes to where players decide to go if they have a choice between ourselves and A N Other club. In the past, we've lost out straight financially. But Klopp's got a great reputation on the Continent as a manger players just love to play for. ****, Munich where in hard for Matip and he chose to leave the Bundesliga and guaranteed titles. I wonder how keen he'd of been to leave Germany to come here if Rodgers had still been in charge? (Rhetorical, as we know the probable answer.).

When was the last time we had anything like that to attract players? Rafa in terms of a reputation. But he was never the most player friendly of managers.

Be very interesting to see how FSG approach this summer too as I wouldn't trust them if they currently said it was daylight outside.
 
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