Sleeping on it doesn’t make this match missive any easier …..
*A long one for those interested in my musings.
My head is thumping this morning. Albeit for the wrong reasons. One thing about Manchester, is it’s a brilliant drinking town. With many boss characters who are always willing to talk to you. Just like L’pool. Just they talk dead funny and aren’t quite as advanced as us in the fashion stakes haha. But we’ve always got on great with Mancunians, football aside when we play each other, and amongst our boozy dissecting of things, and chatting utter wham and having a laugh as you do after a S/show like yesterday to forget it, and not let the match spoil your day, was a some good chats with some United lads who, after the natural banter skitting us, were talking about how they wished they were as pro-active as what we are in getting organised and standing firm together against the biggest forces in the land. (They all readilly agreed that NO other City or fanbase would have stood up and fought like we did after Sheffield, in the face of the lies, for the past 37-years and counting. And that had the Glazers chosen our club back in 2005, they sure as heck wouldn’t be still there ruining us to this day like they are Utd as we’d have taken the fight to them in every facet, every week, until we forced them out like we did H&G.). But within that appreciation for Scousers doing the right thing for what we believe in, they were asking how much longer things would go like they are with Arne before things turned and things got ugly at the match regarding the current situation? Their overriding view, and these were Manny Utd lads who go the game, was that they’d find it very hard to turn on a league winning manager who had delivered that for the club. They’d stayed loyal to ten Hag and Amorim until they were binned. But the division it caused within the Utd fanbase, from the inherently different dichotomy of today’s on-line, social media breed of no patience, reactionary fan who sway the public consciousness with fan channels and constant tweets etc. To your old school, long standing match going fans who have always supported through thick and fan. Which to be fair, Utd’s support more often than not has to their credit.
Which brings about the question when enough is enough?
You had it yesterday. I won’t lie, we did one as soon as the 4th went in and walked back into town before the match was over. Pointless staying for more humiliation when you can get back on the ale early and rescue your day by forgetting things in the main and chatting wham and having a laugh. But there were still a good few shouts from those that didn’t leave, telling you to ‘
F off and support Everton if you can’t stick with them through the S times!’ Which is nonsense BTW. But that’s just the way lots of lads have been brought up and had it passed down to them over the generations. You don’t turn on the team. And you don’t, above anything, turn on the manager. He’s always been sacrosanct here. We value our managers above our players like no other club in the Country. And even in far, far darker times than we currently are going through, the crowd has rarely flipped. Heck, I remember under Souey, a game down at Tottenham. (I think it was between the two seasons we got knocked out the Cup at Anfield by lower league Bolton and Bristol City but don’t quote me. We were down the bottom 8 or so anyway and the football was way worse than it currently is.). When some lads unfurled a white bed sheet with ‘
Souness Out!’ on it. In frustration at another season of absolute S with no improvement at all in sight ….. And all H ell broke out as it was taken down and clarret was spilled r end as that was the most un-Liverpool thing going.
Fast forward 30-odd years, and the demographic of support has changed to not have that tight unity. There’s still that unwritten code of not turning on your own. And many will quickly self-police and let you know when you do. But each passing generation is getting less and less patient. Although there was nothing in the actual stand yesterday, the singing for Alonso on the concourse under was a bad sign. As was the frustration that spilled over into boos Tottenham after another really fractious outing of the same S happening again. And something else that had lads at each others throats about it not being the Liverpool way. Something else that is the complete antipathies of how we have always conducted ourselves at the match. It’s taken a lot to get to this point for many. As has been noted on here many times this season. The attitude and support at the match has been INHERENTLY different to that on-line. But there’s only
SO much you can continue to sit through and that tipping point has been reached from many. If we don’t get a positive result in Paris this week, Fulham could be as toxic as it’s been since Rafa was playing us off against H&G and everyone was infighting with each other in the ground about the weekly before game/ stay behind protests. Just an ugly situation nobody wants or needs again.
When is enough,
enough?!
I don’t blame the manager at all for yesterday as it happens. Bar not taking players off when their heads went along with the game. And that’s not to say I haven’t many issues with him. He’s proper narked me off a lot lately. But he picked the strongest team he could. Set them up perfectly. And for 38 minutes we were the better side dominating City. But he can’t legislate for Salah and Ekitike missing glorious chances. (The underlying story of our season BTW which the stats guys will look at in Slots favour. Our Xg, and more so expected wins off big chances created, and big chances given up, has us 2nd in the league just behind Arsenal. But the players have consistently let everyone down in not taking the many chances. And consistently conceding the few big ones we give up per game.). He can’t legislate for van Dijk waving a leg madly and giving away the needless peno that changed the game. And then the equally woeful Konate not even challenging Haaland to kill the game minutes later. You could argue their lack of mentality at the first sign of adversity starts with him. But where are the leaders on the pitch to step up and take charge themselves? We have
NOBODY! It starts from within yourself and the complete lack of professional pride and accountability from every last one of them yesterday was far more insulting and damning to the 7.6k of us than anything the manager did. Reading the absolute disgrace of Ekitike swapping shirts the bench, and Dom having the proper nerve to have a go at the support for leaving early

….. a support that was rocking and bouncing for 38 minutes until Virgil undid it all, just compounded how utterly disgraceful
EVERY player in Red was yesterday. More backbone in a jelly fish than any of them lads on the pitch feeling sorry for themselves at the first set back.
So I don’t know when enough is enough?

I know I’ll be out in Paris this week with all the other regulars supporting them from the get-go and believing we can get through as it’s Europe. And even this group has shown a completely different attitude in Europe this season where’s there’s been some superb displays and results. But if this continues, and we got a bad result, then Fulham next Sat’day tea-time could well be toxic and the final death knell.
Keep the faith. We’ve been through far, FAR darker times than this. With far, FAR worse football and results. And come out the other side of it eventually smiling. It’s all you can do as a supporter.
YNWA isn’t just a slogan. It’s a Liverpudlian way of life.
Up the Reds!