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Actually its not a surprise, its a fact
Like the fact that Rodgers doesn't have any top four experience? Cool.
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That's the best long-term solution you can get. As I said, if given chance he can be SAF II. Board should be patient though and back him unconditionally.
Fml. Now my fav British manager is managing the club I hate the most. Good times.
Cheers.
Fml. Now my fav British manager is managing the club I hate the most. Good times.
Cheers.
Still think you were massively unlucky to miss out on Pep. He would have been absolutely ideal for you, but Moyes is no doubt a fine manager. We'll just have to see what he does with the kind of money and squad he now has at his disposal.
This is a ****** nightmare for the neutral/fan of another club. Pretty much everyone likes Moyes and I definitely want to see him succeed but not if that means good things for Man U. Eurgh, it's like AVB to Spurs all over again.
This is a ****** nightmare for the neutral/fan of another club. Pretty much everyone likes Moyes and I definitely want to see him succeed but not if that means good things for Man U. Eurgh, it's like AVB to Spurs all over again.
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And Liverpool were brought into this conversation when?
Your bringing up something which is totally irrelevant
Fact is, if SAF recommends him that highly enough....well surely thats enough? SAF knows exactly what qualities a manager needs to succeed and knows exactly what hes talking about. There will be a transitional period we all know that. And he will be given time. DM isn't going in blind-he'll be getting support from one of the most successful managers ever in English football
Not really, I brought up a manager as a comparison. You're saying that it's something the manager needs to know before getting the job, where as I am saying that rarely will you find a manager that has those qualities available. I am pretty sure Moyes has spent around 10 years in the top flight of English football, thus has some experience in domestic football, more so than most managers that would have been available. If they went and got someone from abroad, then they would have little to zero experience in the English domestic game. (Apart from maybe Mourinho, who will be going to Chelsea.)
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But the comparison is not fair in terms of the clubs... the type of manager each club could attract is completely different and the fact LFC have been 6th-8th for the past 3/4 years and United challenging for title shows the difference
all i was stating was that David Gill spoke of a manger needed experience both in europe and domestically and while Moyes has domestic experience at achieving a top half / top 6 finish every year he has very little European experience and not at a high level
He is a very good manager, just my personal opinion but they could or should have gone for other options
This appointment should prove to be a good one as Moyes has the expierence of building and maintaining a good team over a long period of time, exactly what United will be looking for after Ferguson's greatly successful 26 and a half year reign.
Go for someone like Jose who would probably leave after 3 years, or go for someone who is committed long term and would develop players better, and has a better relationship with the outgoing manager and will listen to his advice and is not disruptive to the club. Know who would be the better option (hypothetically of course-just if they did go for him). A manager like Jose would've been a short term fix
Like who? Apart from Mourinho, who has your perfect balance of domestic and European experience?
(And before you say anyone from the German leagues, just think about any manager that has come over from there and had any kind of success in English football)
"European experience" is basically a buzzword.
Its a football match, what difference does it make where you play it. Its not 1954 when it meant travelling into uncharted territory. The refs are a bit picky, tell the players to take it easy with the tackles and you're good to go.
Plus its not like Fergie's european record has been that stelar either.
The perceived difference is a mixture of superstition, out of date but genuine concerns and some still relevant problems. Obviously there is a certain mental effect that going into European competition has. I'm sure I don't need to name all the clubs and managers that have found themselves 'cursed' in certain competitions, and the number that have been consistently excellent.
The out of date concern is one of style and knowledge. Like you said, in the days before mass coverage, going to play a foreign club often meant going up vs a different system and a different mentality than the ones that you were useful. With football becoming more diverse across different leagues and nations, that isn't really a problem anymore. You also wouldn't know as much about their squad as you would now. These days it might be easy to watch tapes of their winger and that showing him inside will blunt him, but then it wasn't. Finally, for many players in the past, going to an iconic foreign stadium, was a once or twice in a lifetime thing and let's be honest you would **** yourself if you had never seen the Bernabeu before, and suddenly you were playing there in front of thousands of frenzied Spaniards.
There are still a number of relevant things that apply now though. First of all, succeeding in Europe requires a particular skillset and a particular squad. If you play super intense, pressing football for 90 minutes, good luck doing well in the league and the cups and Europe. Just look at Dortmund.
Second, you need to be able to get players motivated. This might seem obvious but you have to remember that there are plenty of managers who can get their players through the slog of a league season but can't rouse them for the cups or the big games.
The third and final thing that you have to think about is the fact that Europe is different. It might not be as alien as it was in the past, but there's still elements that play their part. Travel is one, intimidation is another. You have to factor in that many clubs are going all out in Europe and, unlike in the league where it is easier for them to slip up and recover later in the season, the big clubs don't have that luxury in Europe. It's a high pressure environment, and not every manager can get the best from their players in that environment.
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Hopefully with Kagawa playing as AM and implementing pressing game..
Think the biggest concern for me is which of the current squad is going to be cherrypicked. I know Fellaini is pretty much leaving in the summer anyway, but it's the others that concern me most. I do expect it because I'm realistic to acknowledge that players like Leighton are top quality players and he knows how to get the best out of him. And we need the cash for the next manager aswell. Interesting summer ahead
Wigan relegated, Martinez to Everton. Everyone wins. Except Wigan. but no one cares about them
Wigan relegated, Martinez to Everton. Everyone wins. Except Wigan. but no one cares about them
Meh. All they're good for is Rugby anyway.....*cough*
Tbh I want only Fellaini. Baines would be good signing but we have Fabio whom I rate lot higher and also Evra had very good season. So 20 Million will be big waste IMO.
Mirallas will also be good signing and will add much needed spark on the wings. Some young players like Barkley would be good addition but might struggle for playing time.