What solid points? You really think missing out on the top 4 in a single season would spell the end of Manchester United? People saying we'd cease to attract the biggest talents is just conjecture with no evidence to support it in the real world. On the other hand, there are a plethora of recent examples of players moving to oil rich clubs who currently have no continental football, even in no name leagues. Why? Firstly, money. Secondly, they're not so short sighted to see that just because their squad lacks at the current moment, with the ambition and willingness to spend money it's a matter of time before they reach that. United have the ability to spend, not daftly, but they can certainly spend, and they have the history and reputation of being one of the biggest clubs in the world, who still have world class players and many with potential.
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What solid points? You really think missing out on the top 4 in a single season would spell the end of Manchester United? People saying we'd cease to attract the biggest talents is just conjecture with no evidence to support it in the real world. On the other hand, there are a plethora of recent examples of players moving to oil rich clubs who currently have no continental football, even in no name leagues. Why? Firstly, money. Secondly, they're not so short sighted to see that just because their squad lacks at the current moment, with the ambition and willingness to spend money it's a matter of time before they reach that. United have the ability to spend, not daftly, but they can certainly spend, and they have the history and reputation of being one of the biggest clubs in the world, who still have world class players and many with potential.
As for a summer move, what do you think about El Shaarawy to United? Although injury prone, he still has the creativity and speed needed.. And can eventually challenge for a striker spot, since both Rooney and van Persie are aging..
Lets face it, we're a bit woeful in the wings, and need some sprucing up there..
And the fact that he's not a regular at AC Milan as of now should mean a cheaper option too.. But his injury issue is the only thing against it..
Lets face it, we're a bit woeful in the wings, and need some sprucing up there..
And the fact that he's not a regular at AC Milan as of now should mean a cheaper option too.. But his injury issue is the only thing against it..
And that is why they are commonly referred to as talkSHITE. It's not that United can't sign all of those players (bar Reus/Mata), but they won't. They're not just going to sign a new squad in January like that, especially with a lot of those players commanding huge fees, further inflated by the fact they're going to be sold mid-season.
United are the most successful club in England. They are the Premier League champions and Community Shield holders (a practically meaningless trophy, but hey, it's still a trophy). They have more stability at the club (from the owner down to the players). Granted, Chelsea are doing better so far this season, and they have a younger squad, but United have the history and the stability (they don't sack their manager every other game and they have a lot of experienced players who've won a lot of trophies - which is a great environment to mature in) to entice him. Also, I'm pretty sure he'll have more playing time at United, since it's more likely that Evra and/or B?ttner will leave, and Chelsea like Bertrand more than United like F?bio. And the Mourinho factor? He's not exactly renowned for giving young players a chance and developing them, whereas United and Moyes are.
Kagawa is a bad example, as he was a good signing for ?17 million (he is still only 24), but I agree with your logic.
firstly let me get this straight, I was talking about one player: Luke Shaw
1) He is a Chelsea fan
2) I assume the reason Ramsey went to Arsenal instead of Man Utd was because he felt he would get more playing time as Arsenal rely on youth heavily, Shaw will not face this quandary as he will get sufficient playing time if he comes in as Cole would probably leave
3) Even if we assume that your pathetic argument that money is the most important motivation factor in any move, despite mountains of evidence to the controrary, is correct ... Chelsea can match or trump any wage offer that Man Utd put forth to Shaw
4) The Mourinho factor. 98% of all football players in the world would rather play for Mourinho than David '0 trophies' Moyes
So basically stop being a **** in general and giving one line sentences to my posts just to keep a stupid argument going when you yourself know you have no ground. Yes there are intangibles in every transfer and I can't help it if Shaw goes to United simply because Buddha rematerializes at night and tells him to do so but odds are that he will join Chelsea over United if he had the choice. I haven't even mentioned the CL factor as well
Mate I really don't blame you for writing such a post because you probably got confused by the extreme direction Sunil has taken my debate but please know that I was only talking about Luke Shaw and no other footballer ... So please do not accuse me of proclaiming the end of Manxhester United because that is hardly what I said. All I said was that Shaw would probably choose Chelsea over United
Irrelevant. I have given loads of examples of players moving to rivals even though the team they supported made bids for them.
You can assume whatever you want to. Chelsea are known for their incredible ability to give youth a chance which is a contradictory point to what you posted. Arsenal are known for giving youth a chance same as ManUtd. On the other hand Chelsea, lol.
Yeah, even though Brazilian and Argentinian players die for their clubs they move to Europe for some other reasons that is not related to money isn't it? You are the biggest idiot if you think Money is not THE MOST IMPORTANT factor in any transfer (sorry for the offense but can't help when you act like a **** and keep on abusing). POINT. I said main reason not the sole reason.
Still Hazard signed for a managerless Chelsea. Great point. I agree though if the wages are same and given the choice most would choose Jose but the key point is "Wages" and Agent fee.
Stop being a dumb ****. Here is my first post which is about Shaw being Chelsea fan is irrelevant. Then you got all mighty about how Chelsea is the force for the decade and ManUtd is on decline.
lol. It's there for everyone to see who has taken it to extreme when you said "in all regards chelsea is better than ManUtd" which is absolutely **** point.
Oh btw sorry if I haven't thrown enough personal abuse. ****.
Meh not even going to bother replying because you have broken up my arguments into smaller prices and started attacking them individually when they are obviously linked ... If you think Shaw would prefer a move to United over Chelsea despite all reason to the controrary, keep believing so, I don't have the energy to argue anymore with you. The only reason I shelled out personal abuse is because you accused me calling you a **** when I was keeping this a strictly a football debate which offended me
When I said the phrase 'In all regards', I was clearly referring only from the perspective of Shaw whereas you seem to think I am referring from the perspective of every football player on the planet. This is something you need to get straight
Look at the whole picture Sunil goddamit .. Obviously none of the points I mentioned will stand on their own as the sole factor in deciding a players move but when you look at the big picture and realise that these are all the points in Chelsea's favour when and of their is any battle over Shaw, they you can understand why I am confident Chelsea will beat United in a race to sign him
Right ... Look forward to seeing Shaw in PSG colours then since according to your viewpoint, wages and money is the sole sole sole sole motivating factor in any move
PSG aren't interested, but if they were, they would have a very good chance of getting him. Anyway, I'm pretty sure Sunil was saying it's the most important factor, and his statement implies money would be the deciding factor if the other factors were basically the same. I may be mistaken though.
Actually the team that offers the club and agent the best deal, and the player the best money and opportunities will win. Regardless of who he supports.
Oh and if either you abuse each other again, you'll both be serving a week long ban.
Understand this Sunil, I am not saying that Shaw will choose Chelsea over United simply because he is a Chelsea fan... I am saying that hey look, not only is Shaw a Chelsea fan but he will get significant playing time at Chelsea, compartively high wages and get to play under the best manager in the world in Mourinho and most probably the CL as well. So their is very very little reason for him to choose United over Chelsea
I am not proclaiming the decline of United at all. I am simply speaking from the perspective of one player: Luke Shaw
I am not proclaiming the decline of United at all. I am simply speaking from the perspective of one player: Luke Shaw
And that's the thing ... I never said that he will choose Chelsea over United simply because he supports Chelsea. I simply mentioned that as an added factor which cannot be ruled out
Can't we get back to talking about United and our transfer business?... Yes I guess I kind of just ended the conversation because no one knows where Woody is and goal.com reports of a delegation in Madrid finalising the deal for Koke so it MUST be true 
All I'm saying is if both ManUtd and Chelsea make bids and ManUtd offers him higher wages then he will choose ManUtd. You may disagree all you want but wages and agent fee are the biggest factors when teams of similar stature make the move.
Can't we get back to talking about United and our transfer business?... Yes I guess I kind of just ended the conversation because no one knows where Woody is and goal.com reports of a delegation in Madrid finalising the deal for Koke so it MUST be true
Yeah, I rather hope it's true. United maybe ready to meet the buyout clause, but will Koke move in January is the question, considering the fact that the WC is around the corner, and he'll be cup-tied for Champions League. I'm pessimistic, but I really, really wish it is so!
Koke in the midfield, Alex Sandro on the left back, with new wingers and we maybe back in full control of the League. But the probability of that happening is more next season.
Depends on how much higher the wages are though ... If it is double or triple then I agree with you but if it's a piddly 10k p/w more then it is so insignificant that it wouldn't matter
Someone made a good point on another forum, although it's a World Cup year realistically likelyhood is he won't be in the squad, not for a few years anyway.
Also look De Gea here is always a bit of a tempter, I imagine. But who knows, only thing I know is that we are probably going to leave it till deadline day again and buy Leon Osman.
To be honest, you could do a lot worse than buying Osman.
Meh, he's still thinking about a 30 Million for Leighton Baines. He's scatter-brained or what? Moyes should stop basking in his old familiarity and try to think from a bigger perspective. First, the changing of a world-class backroom staff. Second, Fellaini. Hopefully, he'll have settled down and maybe started performing to his potential next season.
But Baines? Seriously? I mean, I know he's very, very talented. But he's also getting old. He's not a long term option, he's more of a familiar face to Moyes. Sure Baines will perform for 2 seasons or so, and then what? Injuries and what not with age. Definitely not worth 30 Million for that. He should stop trying to get Baines, get hold of Koke, and probably try getting Alex Sandro/Luke Shaw or even Fabio Coentrao.
But Baines? Seriously? I mean, I know he's very, very talented. But he's also getting old. He's not a long term option, he's more of a familiar face to Moyes. Sure Baines will perform for 2 seasons or so, and then what? Injuries and what not with age. Definitely not worth 30 Million for that. He should stop trying to get Baines, get hold of Koke, and probably try getting Alex Sandro/Luke Shaw or even Fabio Coentrao.