Bollocks. Moyes had achieved his fair share at Everton, just because he didn't win anything doesn't mean he didn't do well. Obviously he's not going to be as accomplished as Fergie, not many people are, but to say he didn't achieve anything at the top-level, and that he didn't have a winning reputation at Everton, is bollocks. That's not to say he's necessarily suited to managing a 'big' club, mind you, just that you can't say he achieved nothing at Everton without sounding like an ignoramus.
Compare the stats on that site to the likes of Man City and its all too clear.
I can't find the actual quote but I couldn't believe that it took 16 Premier League games for a Man Utd midfielder to register an assist!
Martinez has been there half a season, at no point has he managed to a) qualify for CL or b) keep them in and around the top 6 repeatedly or c) finish above Liverpool. the fact that you even attempt to compare 6 months to a 10 year tenure is crazy.No offence... it's.... Everton. Manchester United is the biggest club in the world, I think you want something more proven than a man who consistently gets Everton in to the top 6. As good as you may think his achievements are, Martinez is doing pretty sterling so far as well.
Last season United were average, everyone else was *****.Same squad didn't do too bad last season though did they? No excuses for being 7th after 20 games.
Strawman post since I never said he was blameless. But yes two players would make all the difference, the same way RVP and Carrick almost fired us to the title last season.
Because not everything his Moyes' fault. Because I'm not so ludicrously one eyed that I cannot see that there are many issues, with many people all over the club at fault.
Because I actually realise that SAF papered over the gaps last season with of the best forwards in the world in ludricrous form and Carrick near the top of his game, and neither got injured long term!
The single biggest issue right now is lack of creativity, do we blame Moyes for failing to address in one window, or Ferguson for failing in 8?
But if you cant see how this amounts to a transition, I really, really cannot be bothered carrying this on.
Think I've stated many times that obviously we have weaknesses, but I repeat, it is the same squad that took the league at a canter last season. He didn't just fail in the summer... he embarrassed the whole club, lets not get away from that fact.
Transition period because we need a midfielder or not, it's not justifiable for being 7th after 20 games. Also if it was SO bad why hasn't he addressed the issue straight away in preparation for January?
The whole club embarrassed itself, it's not just Moyes who does dealings, don't talk nonsense. Who says he isn't trying? we know he's been to watch Koke twice, caught on camera both times. Doesn't mean its suddenly easy to do a deal. Ferguson didnt do it 4 years!
Koke? Another realistic target....... reminds me of Fabregas, the only difference is that he hasn't publicly announced this one.... yet.
Funny how Moyes is always looking for the awkward targets, but yet cos of our desperation in midfield he won't take an easy option but still a very good one in our situation. Cabaye? Ribeiro? Rakitic? Ok maybe not easy, but definitely more so than Koke.
Lol, rumours about Coentrao are that he could be allowed to leave for around 12 Million. That'd be way, way cheaper than the Baines deal. Also should free up some more money, if he wants to go after Koke.
Stop getting your hopes up for a transfer lmao. We are Man Utd, when was the last time we had a relatively good/active winter transfer window?
Stop getting your hopes up for a transfer lmao. We are Man Utd, when was the last time we had a relatively good/active winter transfer window?
Coentrao... hmmm... I'm not sure about this guy.
Considering we need strengthening in other areas too, this seems more stop-gap measures. He's not world-class, but he's good. And cheap. But again, these are rumours, still dunno if Moyes is stupidly dead-hung about Baines yet.
I'd really like Luke Shaw, but you'd have to pay the price and fend off the competitors, which United don't seem to do well.
If it's ?20 million, then the price won't be the problem. United have forked out (if I recall correctly) ?12 million for Smalling; ?15 million for Zaha; ?18 million for Phil Jones and ?7 million for B?b? - all of whom were unproven, or at least not as proven as Shaw, at the time. The main problem is whether Woodward and United can get him at that price or not, and whether the likes of Chelsea also bid for him.Based on various unconfirmed and unreliable (lol) rumours, the price tag on Shaw seems to be around 20 Million. I sure as **** can't see United forking out that much on a 18 year old, especially with other areas needing strengthening too. Plus, Chelsea to consider too.
We can all go about with if only's.. But if only Moyes had approached Koke in the previous summer eh? >_>
If it's ?20 million, then the price won't be the problem. United have forked out (if I recall correctly) ?12 million for Smalling; ?15 million for Zaha; ?18 million for Phil Jones and ?7 million for B?b? - all of whom were unproven, or at least not as proven as Shaw, at the time. The main problem is whether Woodward and United can get him at that price or not, and whether the likes of Chelsea also bid for him.