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Theatreof Dreams said:
Anyone see Palace game? Zaha was a beast last 20 mins when came on, had Walker on toast! And skinned 3 players before setting up the winning goal. So much talent and ability wonder if he features in LVGs plans next season.
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If you have a poor attitude, work ethic and don't do it in training i doubt he'll get sniffs again.
 
Theatreof Dreams said:
Poor attitude and not doing what in training?
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Well that's what was said since we signed him, he doesn't have the right attitude and rarely gives it in training, what i heard anyhow.

It's also called the young rich entitled and english syndrome.
 
smith123 said:
This has to be Mail BS? Madrid fans are a weird bunch, not long ago they boo'd Ronaldo yes booing Ronaldo.
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Strange fans! Watched the match was strange tbh. Was like some team mates were frosty with him also. Can see him out of Madrid in 2 yrs max.
 
smith123 said:
Well that's what was said since we signed him, he doesn't have the right attitude and rarely gives it in training, what i heard anyhow.

It's also called the young rich entitled and english syndrome.
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I remember LVG praising his attitude and work rate on the US Tour. But some English players do get that, which is a shame for them to waste there talent.
 
Theatreof Dreams said:
I remember LVG praising his attitude and work rate on the US Tour. But some English players do get that, which is a shame for them to waste there talent.
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Really? i thought at one point he was the only one left out for something? i could be talking nonsense though
 
smith123 said:
Really? i thought at one point he was the only one left out for something? i could be talking nonsense though
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After the match Van Gaal had said: I can use Zaha but he is working good and doing all that I demand,” said the manager. That was from LVG after 2nd game. Remember him being left out though to work on his fitness when they went on Tour. Him and a couple others inc Fletcher had to do extra cardio before training with 1st team.
 
Tomorrow is very important game. If United wins it will make us in much better position for that third place, maybe even give us hope for attacking City's position. 7 points behind them after worst start in history? Wouldn't be too bad at the middle of the season.
 
smith123 said:
Well that's what was said since we signed him, he doesn't have the right attitude and rarely gives it in training, what i heard anyhow.

It's also called the young rich entitled and english syndrome.
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Ya, happens to far too many young players nowadays. Can't say I really blame them either. One day you're just a regular teenager, the other day you're driving a Lambo. Could mess with anybody's head.
 
Another good performance by Keane today for Burnley nearly topped by a goal bar a good save. Still think he could of been a good player for us rate him better than McNair and Blackett. Not saying that they have not been good or wont be good in the future. I just rate Keane better.
 
Manchester City, reeling after being forced to admit they and their sister club in New York misled fans on both sides of the Atlantic over Frank Lampard, are having their financial accounts scrutinised by UEFA to assess whether an attempt has been made to mislead the European governing body over the full extent of the club’s financial losses in 2013-14.
The Mail on Sunday can reveal UEFA are examining whether the creation of a set of subsidiary companies by City’s ‘parent’ company, City Football Group (CFG), allowed City to under-report the club’s losses for 2013-14.
Two particular subsidiary companies alone had costs, including wages, of £36.7million in the year to the end of May 2014, and posted combined losses of £25.9m in that period. Most of their business was done effectively on behalf of Manchester City FC in that period.


City’s club accounts for 2013-14, revealed last month, showed City had halved their own losses from a year earlier to post an annual deficit of ‘only’ £23m.
But UEFA could judge City’s accounts should more accurately have included more of the subsidiary companies’ losses, in which case City would be in danger of breaching UEFA’s FFP regulations for a second year running.
UEFA have confirmed checks are being made ‘of all relevant accounts and related-party activities as part of [the] Financial Fair Play (FFP) investigations’.
For breaching FFP rules the first time, City were hit with a £49m fine (two-thirds of it suspended), have a reduced 21-man squad for this season’s Champions League and had a spending limit imposed on summer and January transfer activity.
City have strenuously insisted throughout that they have done nothing wrong, their accounts are in order and that they expect to pass all FFP requirements. City sources say they will co-operate fully with any UEFA inquiry.
The rule breach last time stemmed from sales of ‘intellectual property’ by City to two companies owned by CFG in deals that UEFA ruled artificially inflated City’s income in 2012-13. When the deals were not allowed, City’s losses without them meant a breach of FFP



The Mail on Sunday can reveal the same two subsidiaries are involved in the new scrutiny.
One is City Football Marketing Limited (CFML), self-described in their own financial accounts as providers of ‘commercial and marketing services to professional sports clubs and organising bodies’. Their main client in 2013-14 was Manchester City FC. Their minor clients were City’s sister clubs in New York and Melbourne.
The other relevant subsidiary to UEFA’s probe is City Football Services Limited (CFSL), described in their own accounts as providing ‘scouting services, performance analysis and other sporting advice to professional sports clubs and organising bodies’.
Their main client in 2013-14 was Manchester City FC. Their minor client was City’s sister club in New York, NYCFC.
Although MCFC in Manchester paid a total £10.1m combined to CFML and CFSL in 2013-14 for ‘services’, the key issue will be how much of the smaller firms’ costs of £36.7m were incurred on MCFC business.
One of the quirks of City’s accounts for 2013-14 was that they apparently shed 135 staff in a year but, in fact, most of them simply became employees of the subsidiaries.
UEFA will ask City and parent company GFG to clarify details of various company accounts in the group. Certainly there appear to be some errors, inadvertent or not.



One example is MCFC reporting a different value for intellectual property sold to CFML, whose own accounts have a slightly smaller value on what they paid MCFC for the same item.
Another example is CFG and MCFC’s accounts both saying former midfielder Javi Garcia was sold last summer to Shakhtar Donetsk in Ukraine, whereas in fact he was sold to Zenit St Petersburg in Russia — notwithstanding a strange move that has remained hitherto secret.
The most logical explanation for these anomalies and others, City sources say, is simple mistakes, also cited by the club on Friday as the reason for multiple misleading statements on Lampard.
City’s various entities were forced into an embarrassing admission that Lampard had never signed for NYCFC, as claimed last summer, when that occasion was used to sell season tickets and shirts; nor that he had ever been on loan at City.
Even in ‘clarifying’ the situation, City at first claimed Lampard had had a contract at City only until December. Under pressure from the Premier League, they then confirmed he signed ‘permanently’ last summer on a year’s deal.



The Lampard episode has caused outrage in the US among NYCFC’s fans, many of whom feel duped.
More worrying for City’s owner Sheik Mansour, it has damaged the credibility of City and NYCFC — his flagship sports ventures — and called into question the integrity of his whole organisation.
There is no specific timeframe to when City might discover whether they are in the clear over the latest accounts.
A UEFA spokesman told The Mail on Sunday: ‘Manchester City, like all clubs which have signed settlement agreements [after breaching FFP previously], are subject to ongoing monitoring, and any case of non-compliance with the terms of their agreement will be automatically referred to the Club Financial Control Body (CFCB) Adjudicatory Chamber as per Article 15 (4) of the Procedural Rules governing the CFCB.
‘UEFA undertakes thorough checks of all relevant accounts and related-party activities as part of its Financial Fair Play investigations.’
 
[h=3]COMPANIES UNDER SPOTLIGHT... [/h]CITY FOOTBALL GROUP (CFG)
Parent company to Man City, New York City, Melbourne Heart, Yokohama Marinos, Man City Women, City Football Marketing and City Football Services (among others). Turnover to end of May 2014: £347m. Operating expenses: £407m (including wages £228m).
Loss: £63m
MAN CITY FC
Turnover to end of May 2014: £346.5m. Operating
expenses: £366m (including wages £205m).
Loss: £23m.
CITY FOOTBALL MARKETING LTD
Turnover to end of May 2014: £6.4m. Operating expenses: £19.2m (including wages £5.5m).
Loss: £12.8m.
CITY FOOTBALL SERVICES LTD
Turnover to end of May 2014: £4.5m. Operating expenses: £17.6m (including wages £7.7m).
Loss: £13.1m.
 
The suggestion is that City’s parent company, ‘City Football Group’, has set up subsidiary companies to allow them football club itself to underreport losses – two companies are suggested to have been set up and reported combined losses of £25.9m in 2013/14, with both set up primarily to carry out work on behalf of Manchester City.




City were fined £16m for a previous breach of the stringent regulations, a breach that also saw their transfer spending and wage bill restricted, as well as the size of their squad for the Champions League being cut, and UEFA are now set to investigate whether City have looked to avoid another rap through nefarious means.
With reports suggesting that the club are set to push ahead with a £30m move for Swansea City striker Wilfried Bony, the club certainly appear confident with their ability to meet the rules, although that could now be put to the test if the investigation pushes ahead.
 
A lot of that in my opinion is just the way large companies operate nowadays. I have no doubt there is a similar web of parent companies and strange financial arrangements at Man Utd and many of Europes other top clubs.

The thing about Man City transferring staff to a company that is (until now) off the FFP radar is very dodgy if true.
 
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