The Manchester United Thread

Subtle said:
Holy ****, we actually agree on something!

Zzezzy is right though. When you have the pull and power of a global juggernaut, letting one man be responsible for so much is just stupid. There's a reason why other clubs don't use that structure, why no competitive business still uses that structure and why in general clubs are splitting roles more and more now. Finding someone who is a worldclass businessman AND a worldclass football expert is kinda hard. Finding someone for each of those roles is relatively easy though, and when you **** out absurd amounts of money every day like United do, the price of employing 2 specialists is negligible. It's done wonders for the world of management and coaching, why not apply it to the way the club is run off the pitch as well?
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Spot on. My thoughts exactly but in better words!
 
Tyton said:
Dude. Dude. What the ****.

I get that you're emotional and all.

But did you just give Real Madrid as an example of healthy way of running the club?
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No not really, I just gave the scenario of if LVG was at any other big club like Real Madrid or Bayern Munich he would of been gone a long long long time ago. My point here was mainly saying that we are still trying to prove ourselves as not being a sacking club in my view, but in reality there is a time to make a right decision and that has been/passed, if we forfeit top 4 or go out of FA cup on friday, it is only the board to blame for delaying this decision.

Just like with Moyes really, they made that decision too late and it cost us that season totally, even top 4.
 
steveorobbo said:
Ive just read on the Sky Sports app a piece about Van Gall and who is actually in charge.

In that there is a section about David Gill, which has a section from a recent interview he did with the BBC about the board. He says we have two boards. One which Ed Woodward runs, which is the board named on the NYSE. They are responsible for the business side of the club. He then says the club has another board for the football side of things, which includes Fergie, Charlton and Gill.

Woodward is the man responsible for the hiring and firing ultimately, but the football board are still happy to continue with LVG and still back him. A big part of that may be from Fergie himself. He will always have in the back of his mind what it was like when he started. Results not great, the fans on his back. But he knew what his plan was and was backed to stick to that plan by the then board and key figures like Charlton and Busby. The rest is history.

If the football board are advising Woodward to stick with him then who knows. Only time will tell.
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But it has already been made clear that this ambassadorial board with the 'footballing people' on have next to no input on these decisions. Fergie even wrote about it in his autobiography, him, David Gill and Sir Bobby Charlton who are all on this board did not have any say on the Moyes sacking, they didn't even know it was going to happen.

I think this is more just a decorative board of honour to be on more than anything for appreciation but they have very little influence on any key decisions.
 
zzeezzy said:
Look at Martial when he first came, 5 goals in 4 games and compare him to the player he is now..... it almost seems like LVG drills any flair or creativity out of our players.
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*Facepalm*
 
sunilvk7 said:
*Facepalm*
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Why facepalm? Anyone with eyes in their head can see that he has been a shadow of himself recently and just like every other player his creativity/flair, all the good things he had when he came that he showed in his early matches, seems to be fading away/drilled out of him just like it has for all our other attacking players.
 
zzeezzy said:
Why facepalm? Anyone with eyes in their head can see that he has been a shadow of himself recently and just like every other player his creativity/flair, all the good things he had when he came that he showed in his early matches, seems to be fading away/drilled out of him just like it has for all our other attacking players.
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There are plenty of examples to use and you used the worst one which doesn't even support the point. Martial is the only player who plays with flair and makes many dribbles per game and you used his purple patch to make ridiculous point.

Counter is Martial's best season is scoring 12 goals in French league, this season he has already scored 8 playing in PL and CL. That's a big improvement already.
 
Where's Mike. when you need him? Need some insider informations from him.
 
sunilvk7 said:
There are plenty of examples to use and you used the worst one which doesn't even support the point. Martial is the only player who plays with flair and makes many dribbles per game and you used his purple patch to make ridiculous point.

Counter is Martial's best season is scoring 12 goals in French league, this season he has already scored 8 playing in PL and CL. That's a big improvement already.
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It's a different Martial what we see now to the one we saw in the opening 4 or 5 games. He still does more in terms of most of our other attacking players in terms of runs and flair you are right (mainly because they are totally non-existent from every other player), but it is definitely fading.
 
This isn't a dig at Martial btw, it's the system and LVG. It has negated most our other attacking players, it's starting to take the toll on Martial as well.
 
zzeezzy said:
It's a different Martial what we see now to the one we saw in the opening 4 or 5 games. He still does more in terms of most of our other attacking players in terms of runs and flair you are right (mainly because they are totally non-existent from every other player), but it is definitely fading.
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Martial plays as winger now, he used to play as CF when Rooney was injured.
 
sunilvk7 said:
Martial plays as winger now, he used to play as CF when Rooney was injured.
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The fact that everything we do or players we sign has to always fit around Rooney is another problem in itself. Mainly because he is no where near the player he used to be and to be honest I don't think he even offers much to this team anymore.

We would be wise to get rid of him in summer (perhaps get a half decent fee, remove his ridiculous wages mainly) and then build around Martial, but considering Van Gaal was meant to be a manager with balls and he doesn't drop Rooney, I can't see any other manager taking him out the equation either, sadly.
 
zzeezzy said:
The fact that everything we do or players we sign has to always fit around Rooney is another problem in itself. Mainly because he is no where near the player he used to be and to be honest I don't think he even offers much to this team anymore.

We would be wise to get rid of him in summer (perhaps get a half decent fee, remove his ridiculous wages mainly) and then build around Martial, but considering Van Gaal was meant to be a manager with balls and he doesn't drop Rooney, I can't see any other manager taking him out the equation either, sadly.
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Rooney isn't great, but the problem isn't him (actually been decent recently)

The problem is the terribly slow pacing that the manager is ordering the players to do.
 
Mike. said:
Rooney isn't great, but the problem isn't him (actually been decent recently)

The problem is the terribly slow pacing that the manager is ordering the players to do.
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What do you think the board are thinking clinging on to LVG endlessly? Have you any clue?
 
****, Rogers said he's not interested in Uniteds job. What the heck are we going to do now? :(
 
Vanjagl said:
****, Rogers said he's not interested in Uniteds job. What the heck are we going to do now? :(
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He didn't say he is not interested, he said once you manage Liverpool then chance to manage ManUtd is gone.
 
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