The Manchester United Thread

Joel` said:
Most shareholders are pretty against cash hoarding and a reluctance to invest.

It's not £100m that'd never be seen again. It's £100m into an asset. He would add significant value via - hopefully - improved team performances. On pitch success is by far the biggest factor in the share price. Also, he'd retain significant value if we wished to sell him on in the future and he'd generate an awful lot of off pitch revenue.
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Yeah, it's an investment into an asset. But terms of a football club, an investment also means another asset needs to be sidelined and will start losing value. This isn't like a normal business were your different properties continue to generate revenue even after the latest acquisition. Unused $30 million players generate nothing but costs.

Mike. said:
It has zero impact on the shareholder meeting, spending cash you easily have has zero impact on stock value. They have **** all say in how the money is spent too. They can ask questions, but they have absolutely no control on how the club is run.
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Of course they don't have any say on footballing matters, but they have plenty to say about your finances. Shareholders of a publicly traded company expect a tightly run ship. You can't seriously be thinking United are now going to start hoarding 50 unused players just because they can easily afford that. If you make a world record transfer, there's bound to be a clearout. It's just how it is.
 
Tyton said:
Yeah, it's an investment into an asset. But terms of a football club, an investment also means another asset needs to be sidelined and will start losing value. This isn't like a normal business were your different properties continue to generate revenue even after the latest acquisition. Unused $30 million players generate nothing but costs.



Of course they don't have any say on footballing matters, but they have plenty to say about your finances. Shareholders of a publicly traded company expect a tightly run ship. You can't seriously be thinking United are now going to start hoarding 50 unused players just because they can easily afford that. If you make a world record transfer, there's bound to be a clearout. It's just how it is.
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Some fair points here. If United buy Pogba, it consequently means that another player will play less and sit on the bench more. Consequently, he will be worth much less if United decide to sell him in the transfer market. That means you have to revise and lower his so-called 'salvage value' which leads to greater ammortization expense if length of his contract remains the same. Subsequently, one can expect revenue from merchandise and shirt sales for said player to lower as well.

But in this case the benefits of getting Pogba with the requisite on-the-pitch performances and other financial benefits will outweight the costs of sidelining someone like Fellaini.
 
zzeezzy said:
True, Deschamps doesn't utilise him well at all this tournament in my opinion.

I don't rate Deschamps as a manager at all, he's got lucky having a good squad and poor opposition. Not even using Martial hardly at all this tournament is a joke.
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Agree. There s an alarming number of overrated/crappy managers in the international scene. This tournament has been v tactical and it has exposed this.

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Tyton said:
Yeah, it's an investment into an asset. But terms of a football club, an investment also means another asset needs to be sidelined and will start losing value. This isn't like a normal business were your different properties continue to generate revenue even after the latest acquisition. Unused $30 million players generate nothing but costs.



Of course they don't have any say on footballing matters, but they have plenty to say about your finances. Shareholders of a publicly traded company expect a tightly run ship. You can't seriously be thinking United are now going to start hoarding 50 unused players just because they can easily afford that. If you make a world record transfer, there's bound to be a clearout. It's just how it is.
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United aren't going to hoard 50 players so what's your point? I already said that any players going will be led by playing demand, which makes someone like fellaini at risk, possibly others depending on formation choice. The whole point is that Pogba won't lead to a clearance based on finances because he actually fits into that model easily. Such is Uniteds turnover, they can fit him in and remain with wages at 50% of turnover. So as I said, it's not driven by finances or being part of the stock market.
 
Mike. said:
United aren't going to hoard 50 players so what's your point? I already said that any players going will be led by playing demand, which makes someone like fellaini at risk, possibly others depending on formation choice. The whole point is that Pogba won't lead to a clearance based on finances because he actually fits into that model easily. Such is Uniteds turnover, they can fit him in and remain with wages at 50% of turnover. So as I said, it's not driven by finances or being part of the stock market.
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Yep, also we've spend millions and millions over the years and apart from the Di Maria fee we haven't really received much from selling. So, even though there was a clear-out during the LVG era, that was simply for philosophical reasons, not to compensate the books.
 
razielioux said:
Yep, also we've spend millions and millions over the years and apart from the Di Maria fee we haven't really received much from selling. So, even though there was a clear-out during the LVG era, that was simply for philosophical reasons, not to compensate the books.
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My point exactly. Players will go if they are unneeded or want more game time. Not because shareholders are worried.
 

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Raiola to Times about Pogba #MUFC: "Maybe he will not leave. Juve do not want him to go and they want him to renew his contract"
 
Bujakaa said:
Might be talked about already or i am just dumb to ask this. But if truly this Pogba transfer goes in with theses massive transfer fees and wages. I know that sponsor and TV deals are big. But still might there be bad situation where this Brexit hits in and pulls down clubs financial powers? This is no only about United but other smaller clubs also who might not recover if somethings this hits clubs finances. I cant be the only one who thinks about it. That spending and giving big wages now might backfire very deeply in the coming years because of the impact that Brexit has.
Hope you understand what I mean. I dont have the knowledge how Brexit would affect oversee owners, sponsorships, wages, tickets, even people wages and willinges to come watch games when the prices might be too high and so on.
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Brexit might change the value of the pound. But it wont affect things that much. Put it this way, anything affecting football that much would already be having massive affect on our every day life.
 
Would certainly be amusing if you make a $100 million transfer, and then he doesn't get the work permit.
 
Tyton said:
Would certainly be amusing if you make a $100 million transfer, and then he doesn't get the work permit.
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That would be very Woodward.

Would utterly love Pogba, but overall I'm happy with what we've done and I dont want this dragging. Sounds like Matuidi could be a back up option
 
Five reserves' friendlies announced:

Tue 19 July: v Blackpool (H), Aon Training Complex 15:30 BST - Strictly behind closed doors
Fri 22 July: v Altrincham (A), J. Davidson Stadium 19:30 BST
Tue 26 July: v Salford City (A), Moor Lane 19:30 BST
Sat 30 July: v Port Vale (A), Vale Park 15:00 BST
Tue 2 Aug: v Oldham Athletic (H), Leigh Sports Village 19:00 BST - Lancashire Senior Cup semi-final

http://www.manutd.com/en/News-And-F...announce-reserve-team-friendlies-2016-17.aspx
 
Well excited about watching our youth teams this season. Have very good players at all levels and some top talent especially at u18! With the recruiting that has happened already.
 
If Pogba wants to stay at Juve then just leave it and move on, not worth the hastle. Should of just signed the polish Krychoviak or however it is spelt.
 
Theatre of dreams said:
Well excited about watching our youth teams this season. Have very good players at all levels and some top talent especially at u18! With the recruiting that has happened already.
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Each to their own but regularly reading you on here I don't know how you can be so enthused over U-18/ U-21 football with the structure as it is.

I struggle to even attempt to watch those levels right now. Half baked affairs with hodgepodge of sides more often than not with players out on loan/ away with Internationals/ vets. coming back getting a run-in the U-21's et all. Must be SO frustrating for the coaches to rarely be able to name the same side from game to game. And then the players are often going a few weeks between any 'competitive' (term used VERY loosely) games. The whole system is just SO wrong. Starting with the amount of players clubs are able to recruit verses the amount of games they actually get which wants completely cutting down. Clubs hoarding of youth players, very few who ever make it at that club. when they could and should be getting a competitive chance lower down is abhorrent to me. That's before you even start on foreign kids being brought over by the boat load. And the PL's answer ..... The joke idea over letting clubs into the FLT. YAY! A handful of competitive games they may well of gotten in the earlier rounds the Leg/ FA Cup anyway. Brilliant Scudomore!

The top level of youth football in England is a so flawed it's unbelievable and the kids are suffering massively in their development because of it.
 
Scouseinthehouse said:
Each to their own but regularly reading you on here I don't know how you can be so enthused over U-18/ U-21 football with the structure as it is.

I struggle to even attempt to watch those levels right now. Half baked affairs with hodgepodge of sides more often than not with players out on loan/ away with Internationals/ vets. coming back getting a run-in the U-21's et all. Must be SO frustrating for the coaches to rarely be able to name the same side from game to game. And then the players are often going a few weeks between any 'competitive' (term used VERY loosely) games. The whole system is just SO wrong. Starting with the amount of players clubs are able to recruit verses the amount of games they actually get which wants completely cutting down. Clubs hoarding of youth players, very few who ever make it at that club. when they could and should be getting a competitive chance lower down is abhorrent to me. That's before you even start on foreign kids being brought over by the boat load. And the PL's answer ..... The joke idea over letting clubs into the FLT. YAY! A handful of competitive games they may well of gotten in the earlier rounds the Leg/ FA Cup anyway. Brilliant Scudomore!

The top level of youth football in England is a so flawed it's unbelievable and the kids are suffering massively in their development because of it.
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Because our Under 21s is basically made up of our best under 21s and under 18s. WE can be enthused, because we use it as a proper development too, which is reflected in how many of our youth players were ready to step up when needed to
 
zzeezzy said:
If Pogba wants to stay at Juve then just leave it and move on, not worth the hastle. Should of just signed the polish Krychoviak or however it is spelt.
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He's a completely different player to Pogba...
 
Mike. said:
Because our Under 21s is basically made up of our best under 21s and under 18s. WE can be enthused, because we use it as a proper development too, which is reflected in how many of our youth players were ready to step up when needed to
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I think you completely missed the crux of that.
 
Mike. said:
He's a completely different player to Pogba...
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Yes, nor is Matuidi. You're not going to get an identical replacement for Pogba you do realise that?

If someone asked me right now what our midfield lacks I'd say creativity and someone with a really good passing range, unfortunately we didn't go for Pjanic, he would of been my choice but going for Krychowiak you have a player who is capable of filling in different roles effectively. Even though you could use him more as a holding midfielder he can do the box to box as well. He got a strong all round game.
 
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