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JAMES WILSON'S KNEE INJURY CONFIRMED

Manchester United striker James Wilson is set to undergo an operation after sustaining an anterior cruciate ligament knee injury during his loan spell at Derby County.

The 20-year-old has had tests on the problem at the Aon Training Complex after being hurt in a training session with the Championship side on Monday.

Following surgery, the England Under-21 international will begin a rehabilitation programme as he works hard to get back to full fitness.

"It's a great disappointment for him and for the club as well," said United Reserves coach Warren Joyce. "He's got to look to work his socks off and come back in the best shape he's ever been in his life. All you can do when you have setbacks is to try to be positive and look to make sure when you do return, it's in the best shape."

Derby boss Steve McClaren added on the club's official website: "It's incredibly disappointing news that James has suffered an injury like this.

"Only last week, I was saying how much I was looking forward to working with him because he is an exciting young talent. I know that he will bounce back from this disappointment, especially as well as being a very good player, he is also a strong and determined character."
 
Ouch. ACL's are a *****. Sorry for the lad.

They figure on the same amount as time you were out, when you're finally back playing, it takes for you to fully regain strength. So say you're out 9 months before your back playing, its in effect 1 and a half years from doing it before you're fully back to what you were health wise before. If you ever are.
 
Scouseinthehouse said:
Ouch. ACL's are a *****. Sorry for the lad.

They figure on the same amount as time you were out, when you're finally back playing, it takes for you to fully regain strength. So say you're out 9 months before your back playing, its in effect 1 and a half years from doing it before you're fully back to what you were health wise before. If you ever are.
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What was once a very promising potential career has turned into something that looks like it might not ever even get off the ground. Shame, but like your post regarding younger players, just shows you how many factors there are that can play into whether a player makes it or not. At one time I really thought Wilson would be a United first team striker, now I struggle to even see much of a future for him in the game at a lower level. Real shame.
 
Scouseinthehouse said:
Outside of money I don't understand why any Dutch kid would want to leave Ajax so young. There's still no better grounding/ education, on or off the pitch, in World football, than the Ajax academy. And there's EVERY chance you'll progress and play the first team. Which if you're then good enough, you'll get your big money European move somewhere. Probably real early in your career at 18-21/22.

Can only speak personally but were it me, or a child of mine, I'd be encouraging them to stick with Ajax to set them up in a great way for the rest of their careers
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Ajax is just as big part of the problem aswell, since they take over other talents around Europe aswell as the big clubs do . You could put some blame on letting talented wingers go by attracting foreign talents like Cerny (and suspending their 2nd team at u19's). But it doesn't surprise me that a young players leaves once he has a different stance with the coaching staff (and recently joining a different agent). (I don't know what happened so I'm not blaming anyone btw!)

The competition for players at all ages is so heavy in football that it gives the players an unreasonable negotiating position. All I can hope for is that if the rules don't change, that the clubs will proffesionalise more. Finally you're starting to hear in the Netherlands about educating young players, since like in many non-mainstream / olympic-sport, the more educated athletes are dominating the top.
 
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Scouseinthehouse said:
Outside of money I don't understand why any Dutch kid would want to leave Ajax so young. There's still no better grounding/ education, on or off the pitch, in World football, than the Ajax academy. And there's EVERY chance you'll progress and play the first team. Which if you're then good enough, you'll get your big money European move somewhere. Probably real early in your career at 18-21/22.

Can only speak personally but were it me, or a child of mine, I'd be encouraging them to stick with Ajax to set them up in a great way for the rest of their careers
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Sonny Pike, anyone remember him?
 
RhQQ said:
Really nice game, didn't have to break stride yet won really convincingly... perfect outcome and a nice buzz going into Chelsea on Sunday. Rooney was really good I thought, even his touch was much sharper, evident in Lingard's goal, and of course gave his regular 101% effort. Carrick controlled the game, Mata was exquisite, Pogba's strike and pen were both superb.

I've never wanted a player to score against United, but once we had the game wrapped up, I think we all wanted RVP to nick a consolation goal... the entire stadium were buzzing for him. The goodbye game we never had for the flying Dutchman.

Credit to those crazy Turks too, singing like mad even when 3-0 down and going nowhere.

P.S - I'm sorry to those who want this 3 man midfield, a little debate that has came up now and again recently on this thread, probably one that I may even of agreed with at a time, but it just doesn't work for me. Tonight (although not quite as much tonight as the other examples), Stoke, and Leicester was as good of attacking football as we've seen at Old Trafford in a long time, with Herrera paired with and giving the license to Pogba in the centre of the park, with Mata behind Ibra. I'll tell you why the 3 man midfield can't work, because Pogba can't operate effectively as the #10, it's a waste of his abilities... Paul Pogba is at his best when he gets the ball in this slightly deeper position like tonight, like against Leicester, like against Stoke, with runners and players ahead of him, threading through balls at will, switching the play, having space to latch onto shots, selectively making late arrivals to the box, having the complete freedom to stamp his authority in games, he's an animal when given this sort of license in this role... it's when he's at his best, not when having 9 or 10 men behind him every time he receives the ball, having to hold up the play or try to go at defenders on his own like the role he was given against Liverpool, and the role he would have to take up should we ever go with a Carrick-Herrera-Pogba midfield... It just won't work, it has to be Herrera-Pogba-Mata for me.

That's my opinion.
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The reason for the good attacking footie is because of mata. When he's on the pitch, we look so fluid in attack.

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Because it's his natural position, not Pogba's. It'd be like Arsenal putting Cazorla up behind Sanchez instead of Ozil.
 
RhQQ said:
Because it's his natural position, not Pogba's. It'd be like Arsenal putting Cazorla up behind Sanchez instead of Ozil.
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I agree with the point, but not the analogy. Cazorla used to be a number 10, he had to move deeper because of Ozil. You'd be mad to switch them around though

As much as I hate seeing you guys do well, I'm happy for Mata. Can't hate him, he just seems a genuinely good guy and I like seeing him do well - I'd prefer it at another club though!
 
Fair point Patrick, I was going to give Xhaka as an example, but I think he does more of a Herrera type role for them, rather than what Pogba does (Cazorla is their main creative outlet in the centre of the park, like Paul for us).
 
Danny Higginbotham for Sky Sports pretty much echoes my opinion on Pogba:

"The Chelsea game will be different because Pogba will play in a slightly deeper roll (As opposed to the #10) and I believe that suits him more.

"Pogba is at his best when he has the freedom to go forwards, a little bit like Yaya Toure when he was at his best. For me, that's the best role for Pogba.

"With the energy that he's got he needs that room for him to move into because when he gets into his stride there aren't many who can keep up with him.

"We've seen in his recent performances where he plays deeper, he can be very instrumental in the performances of Manchester United."
 
RhQQ said:
(Cazorla is their main creative outlet in the centre of the park, like Paul for us).
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Paul who?? Paul f***ing Pogba?
What the **** has He been creating since He signed? Apart from pretty designs on the side of his head.
 
Anthony said:
Paul who?? Paul f***ing Pogba?
What the **** has He been creating since He signed? Apart from pretty designs on the side of his head.
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I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic or what? Bossed the game against Leicester with his passing range, should've had an assist that day for a beautiful goal when a disguised **** over the top onto Zlatan's chest for him to take, swivel & volley over.. he should've had an assist after a minute against Stoke with that cute little ball through to Zlatan (still don't know how he missed it), should've had an assist against Liverpool with that cracking cross onto Zlatan's head only for him to terribly miscue it (ok this is starting to make Zlatan sound so wasteful). He has been creating, they're just not being finished.

Edit; it's all about fractions in this game, if Zlatan puts them away (all good chances) then we're sitting here with Pogba having second most assists in the league. We have to look at the bigger picture, don't be one of those guys Anthony, he's been here 5 minutes.
 
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Pogba has already created more chances than anyone else at the club this season.
 
pogbas natural talent is there for all to see.The only reason hes been critiscised is cos of the price tag but once he gets it all together he will be a major force
 
Mike. said:
Pogba has already created more chances than anyone else at the club this season.
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He's neck and neck with Rooney (yet everybody wants Rooney dropped?).
His habit of Row Z'ing shots when there are better options have been ******* me off.

My views on him are a bit biased though (freely admit that).
I f***ing hate these type of footballers who seem to put more effort into updating their social media with poxy haircuts than actually winning ball games.
 
Anthony said:
He's neck and neck with Rooney (yet everybody wants Rooney dropped?).
His habit of Row Z'ing shots when there are better options have been ******* me off.

My views on him are a bit biased though (freely admit that).
I f***ing hate these type of footballers who seem to put more effort into updating their social media with poxy haircuts than actually winning ball games.
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Hold on... you were telling me to calm down the other day, it's only football and you don't take it serious. Yet you're getting worked up over someones haircut. Oh, the irony!
 
zzeezzy said:
Hold on... you were telling me to calm down the other day, it's only football and you don't take it serious. Yet you're getting worked up over someones haircut. Oh, the irony!
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You are a tiresome little fella, aren't you :)
I'm not worked up in the slightest. I just prefer my football to contain less 'social media narcissism'.

That's the last I'll reply to you. I have no time for points scoring on web forums.
I'll leave that to the proletariat.
 
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