The Manchester United Thread

Yeah Pep said there's no chance Silva will play and Aguero will have a late fitness test. Also read KDB has a knock but should play.
 
Mike. said:
Forget 2020 wkdsoul, they need to be winning next season. What pellegrini achieved in his last season was considered the bare minimum. Guardiola has already achieved less in his first season, and top 4 isn't even guaranteed yet.
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I'm not talking the title. I'm talking the champions league. I'm talking of building an elite team. You need a squad peaking around the same time.
 
No way Mou gonna bench Martial after his MOTM performance. He must play, to make sure the City defenders **** themselves then they see Martial and Rashford running at them.
 
Average Joe said:
He is fairly comparable to Kante - if you go off stats anyway.

He shouldn't be near the team yet is the clubs leading assist maker and joint top in man of the match awards?

I'd say he's more underrated than overrated
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Coquelin has similar stats to Kanté. Better than both of them. This is exactly what I mean. Player roles and systems have to be taken into consideration. You have to be very careful. Ever heard of Josip Drmic?
 
The key to this from both sides will be pace, especially with the midfield depleted for both.
 
damola3 said:
Coquelin has similar stats to Kanté. Better than both of them. This is exactly what I mean. Player roles and systems have to be taken into consideration. You have to be very careful. Ever heard of Josip Drmic?
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And Herrera does his job well in the United system.

Herrera completes more passes, more 'key' passes, more tackles, more interceptions, more clearances, has more assists per 90 mins than Kante yet Herrera is overrated? Plus as I said before, most assists in the team and joint most MOTM awards.

I don't really look in to stats all that much but come on, how can he be overrated? He's a great player after a slightly slow start at United
 
Average Joe said:
And Herrera does his job well in the United system.

Herrera completes more passes, more 'key' passes, more tackles, more interceptions, more clearances, has more assists per 90 mins than Kante yet Herrera is overrated? Plus as I said before, most assists in the team and joint most MOTM awards.

I don't really look in to stats all that much but come on, how can he be overrated? He's a great player after a slightly slow start at United
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You've measured defensive activity. Any player will see those numbers inflate in the same role. He's decent tactically but it's ridiculous to suggest that he's a top destroyer. Kanté's role in the Chelsea's catennacio is much more demanding. Him and Matic do the job of 3 men. Kanté plays as a B2B, defending much more space than Hererra. It's just Mourinho getting the best out of a player.

The first issue is that none of these stats are posession adjusted for starters. You then consider that different positions/roles in different systems see a different level of defensive activity. Coquelin is better than Kanté and Hererra in virtually all of those stats. Context is needed.
 
damola3 said:
..... The first issue is that none of these stats are posession adjusted for starters. You then consider that different positions/roles in different systems see a different level of defensive activity. Coquelin is better than Kanté and Hererra in virtually all of those stats. Context is needed.
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The only context needed d is his role at Utd. He's integral to the way they play and fits the system as well as anyone you care to mention would.

Personally like him as a player. He's one of the narkiest, snidest little _____ around like who get's away with a **** of a lot than he shouldn't. But ability, football intelligence and attitude wise he's bang on.
 
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so shall we assume it will be a three of carrick-fellaini-herrera tonight?.havent looked forward to a game as much for a long time.dont expect great quality tbh but will be fierce
 
djs1 said:
so shall we assume it will be a three of carrick-fellaini-herrera tonight?
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If Citeh play with the same ferocious intensity they did in that wonderful draw against L'pool last month that midfield could well get legged all over with Carrick off f-ed at H/T again.
 
Missing the game tonight. Absolutely gutted. Will record it, but no doubt will have the result spoiled at some stage. Not the same watching a game knowing the result.
 
damola3 said:
You've measured defensive activity. Any player will see those numbers inflate in the same role. He's decent tactically but it's ridiculous to suggest that he's a top destroyer. Kanté's role in the Chelsea's catennacio is much more demanding. Him and Matic do the job of 3 men. Kanté plays as a B2B, defending much more space than Hererra. It's just Mourinho getting the best out of a player.

The first issue is that none of these stats are posession adjusted for starters. You then consider that different positions/roles in different systems see a different level of defensive activity. Coquelin is better than Kanté and Hererra in virtually all of those stats. Context is needed.
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When I see posts like this I remember why I don't argue about Football anymore.
 
Vanjagl said:
When I see posts like this I remember why I don't argue about Football anymore.
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Still trying to work out where I said Herrera was a 'top destroyer' haha

Also I didn't realise assisting and key passes were purely defensive activity...

All I was saying was Herrera isn't an overrated player (said why I thought this) and damola start talking about *catenaccio and Coquelin

Scouse nailed it on Herrera, he's the player United need. But Herrera would probably play much better if Mourinho incorporated Juego Rodrigo De Possebon
 
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RhQQ said:
Missing the game tonight. Absolutely gutted. Will record it, but no doubt will have the result spoiled at some stage. Not the same watching a game knowing the result.
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Told the girlfriend months ages ago not to plan anything :)
 
Herrerra is top class and is showing it now, he fits the system and is showing now why United shelled out the money for him at the time. Scouse nailed it in his description too, also bit like Costa hate playing against but if he is in your team you absolutely love him
 
Average Joe said:
Still trying to work out where I said Herrera was a 'top destroyer' haha

Also I didn't realise assisting and key passes were purely defensive activity...

All I was saying was Herrera isn't an overrated player (said why I thought this) and damola start talking about *catenaccio and Coquelin

Scouse nailed it on Herrera, he's the player United need. But Herrera would probably play must better if Mourinho incorporated Juego Rodrigo De Possebon
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This made me chuckle
 
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