The Manchester United Thread

Mourinho should defo be getting more from this squad. But it’s a mess. A lot of decent/good players bought over to longer period of time. Can’t believe we have no real LB or cover. No cover at RB. No RW or cover there. No LW cover. No Pogba cover. Yes we have spent money very poorly under Moyes, LVG and later Fergies years imo. Time to be ruthless in the next 2 windows. And Mourinho needs to be doing better also.

Pep rep had a better starting place than Mourinho and has been backed and clinical in shipping out players and getting quality players in.

Getting fed up of not having players playing in there natural positions and not having a settled starting 11 each week. In reality we are were we deserve to be right now in the league.
 
Theatre of Dreams83 said:
Mourinho should defo be getting more from this squad. But it’s a mess. A lot of decent/good players bought over to longer period of time. Can’t believe we have no real LB or cover. No cover at RB. No RW or cover there. No LW cover. No Pogba cover. Yes we have spent money very poorly under Moyes, LVG and later Fergies years imo. Time to be ruthless in the next 2 windows. And Mourinho needs to be doing better also.

Pep rep had a better starting place than Mourinho and has been backed and clinical in shipping out players and getting quality players in.

Getting fed up of not having players playing in there natural positions and not having a settled starting 11 each week. In reality we are were we deserve to be right now in the league.
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you are spot on,we have no settled side at all.I honestly dont believe mourinho knows his best side which is worrying but i have faith in him,the board may not be so forgiving if we carry on slipping up and dropping down the table
 
djs1 said:
you are spot on,we have no settled side at all.I honestly dont believe mourinho knows his best side which is worrying but i have faith in him,the board may not be so forgiving if we carry on slipping up and dropping down the table
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Least under Mourinho his transfer make sense and seem to be planned. I don’t think he’s been ruthless enough or I don’t know what. But if everyone is fit I guess most starters would be

GK DDG
LB?
CB Bailly
CB Lindelöf if settled better
RB Valencia

CM Pogba
CM Matic

#10?
RW?
LW Martial

ST Lukaku

But even then there’s still problems with the quality in depth.
 
Quality of depth is interesting tough and how different managers can handle the situation. Having youngsters or starish players who might upset the team chemistry if not managed well.

Why Mou decided to sell Depay and Morgan? As I understanded they didint fit his plan and Morgan wanted to be regular.
But how it will work IF you get some of your big names like Grizz, Bale, Dyabala? Will you just assume Martial, Rashford and Mata will just be happy bench players?
 
Bujakaa92 said:
Quality of depth is interesting tough and how different managers can handle the situation. Having youngsters or starish players who might upset the team chemistry if not managed well.

Why Mou decided to sell Depay and Morgan? As I understanded they didint fit his plan and Morgan wanted to be regular.
But how it will work IF you get some of your big names like Grizz, Bale, Dyabala? Will you just assume Martial, Rashford and Mata will just be happy bench players?
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Memphis on the face of it was just a bad buy. LVG who maged him before couldn’t get consistent performances out of him. And he’s been the same in France. Mourinho was right to get rid and for a good fee too. Morgan wanted to be a first team regular and again shown for us and Everton that he’s no where near the required level to be a starter for a top side. Didn’t even fit LVG style of play. Poor but again. And did well to get a good fee for him.

Well the players mentioned wouldn’t effect Martial on the left anyway. And Rashford should be back up to him and Lukaku at this point in his career still getting plenty of mins. Honestly don’t think Mata would mind his role in the team as long as he’s contributing and the team is doing well. Which we are.
 
What I find odd is that the man is supposed to be this master of defensive organization and tactics, but you're actually leaking a lot of stupid goals, and a lot of the defensive players have regressed. His first year I could sort of understand it, because he probably wanted to go with a bit more relaxed approach after Van Gaal drilled them until they bled.

Back when Jose arrived everybody thought Smalling, Shaw and Darmian will be core players for years to come, but now they all seem finished, backline is in constant state on flux and you'll probably need heavy reinforcements all across the back four.

And this is under famed expert defensive manager who can supposedly turn a training cone into world class defender.

****'s weird.
 
Tyton said:
What I find odd is that the man is supposed to be this master of defensive organization and tactics, but you're actually leaking a lot of stupid goals, and a lot of the defensive players have regressed. His first year I could sort of understand it, because he probably wanted to go with a bit more relaxed approach after Van Gaal drilled them until they bled.

Back when Jose arrived everybody thought Smalling, Shaw and Darmian will be core players for years to come, but now they all seem finished, backline is in constant state on flux and you'll probably need heavy reinforcements all across the back four.

And this is under famed expert defensive manager who can supposedly turn a training cone into world class defender.

****'s weird.
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Darmian was bought under LVG. And who ruined him from the player he was at Torino. Use to be good at the back, even when called upon at CB. And was good going forward getting in good crosses and assist, even chipping in with goals. LVG seemed to have coached the attacking life out of him and has just regressed further and further ever since till now. Didn’t cost us too much and will likely get our money back, even make a little.

Shaw has been injured to much and when he hasn’t he’s been lacking in training. Still suffering from cramps now the back end of games. Least his form has been good now for his last 4/5 games and is back in the squad regular.

Smalling is just to inconsistent and looks like the football is a bomb ready to explode when it’s at his feet. And can’t stay fit for a season, like all the rest of our CBs. We need to get Bailly and Lindelöf playing together week in week out. But ones not settle as quick and the other has the CB curse atm lol. And FBs we are in dire needs there!
 
Theatre of Dreams83 said:
Im sure he’s won the Prem. And cups since then including a European trophy.
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Jesus the so-called ‘European Trophy’ he won was a second-tier competition where there was a huge gap in resources between United and the other clubs. Credit to him for winning it but lets not pretend its a very prestigious trophy.
 
Alc said:
Jesus the so-called ‘European Trophy’ he won was a second-tier competition where there was a huge gap in resources between United and the other clubs. Credit to him for winning it but lets not pretend its a very prestigious trophy.
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Wow look at you lol. Any European trophy is great to win.
 
Alc said:
Great to win does not mean its a prestigious trophy. Jose himself disparaged it when he came to Chelsea in order to try and mock Benitez.
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I couldn’t give two ***** what he thinks about it. As a fan I’m delighted winning any piece of silverware. Don’t get people that belittle cups etc.
 
Theatre of Dreams83 said:
I couldn’t give two ***** what he thinks about it. As a fan I’m delighted winning any piece of silverware. Don’t get people that belittle cups etc.
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You miss the point completely. You can be delighted with winning the trophy and yet agree that its not a prestigious cup.
 
Mad how a fan of a club with less European Cups than Nottingham Forest and the same # of league titles as Sunderland can try disparage any trophy. Let alone one that had a 'history' of pretty much nottin' before Russian rubles tipped up. One would of thought ANY piece of silverware would be highly cherished and lorded when your trophy cabinet is so porous in relation to the real big boys. Shrugs.

Where the point is bang on the head is the complete hypocrisy from both Mourinho and many Utd fans in mocking a European Major (Which the UEFA Cup/ Europa League is how ever anyone tries's to argue the contrary) as somehow second-rate ..... until they win it themselves. (The same goes many Utd fans as regards the League Cup.). That is nauseating.
 
Scouseinthehouse said:
Mad how a fan of a club with less European Cups than Nottingham Forest and the same # of league titles as Sunderland can try disparage any trophy. Let alone one that had a 'history' of pretty much nottin' before Russian rubles tipped up. One would of thought ANY piece of silverware would be highly cherished and lorded when your trophy cabinet is so porous in relation to the real big boys. Shrugs.

Where the point is bang on the head is the complete hypocrisy from both Mourinho and many Utd fans in mocking a European Major (Which the UEFA Cup/ Europa League is how ever anyone tries's to argue the contrary) as somehow second-rate ..... until they win it themselves. (The same goes many Utd fans as regards the League Cup.). That is nauseating.
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I don’t think you quite got the point Scouse. Yes the Europa League is fantastic to win and it was a great feeling when we did it as well but I don’t think it should be used as evidence to show that Jose is doing a good job particularly due to the gulf in resources between United and the other teams who competed in it.
 
Alc said:
I don’t think you quite got the point Scouse. Yes the Europa League is fantastic to win and it was a great feeling when we did it as well but I don’t think it should be used as evidence to show that Jose is doing a good job particularly due to the gulf in resources between United and the other teams who competed in it.
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We got the point. But the point was bollocks about Madrid ending Mourinho. He still has won trophies since. And he still has Utd doing better than anything we’ve done for ages. We’re just going through some poor form. Nothing more nothing less.
 
You stated, twice, the UEFA Cup/ Europa League wasn't a prestigious trophy.

I completely disagree. (It only isn't seen as such in England by modern-day fans who've had Sky and a slew of managers denigrate it into believing it's not a major competition. But right across the Continent, it's still viewed as highly prestigious and a major trophy to win. As it is and always should be.).

I wasn't responding to any argument on the job Mourinho is doing. Purely that which I'll never fail to find completely ridiculous everytime anyone comes out with it.

*Edit* Three times sorry. Not twice. With all the stupidity I miss-counted.
 
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Theatre of Dreams83 said:
We got the point. But the point was bollocks about Madrid ending Mourinho. He still has won trophies since. And he still has Utd doing better than anything we’ve done for ages. We’re just going through some poor form. Nothing more nothing less.
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And all I am saying is that one of those trophies does not count for much considering the huge advantage he had over all the other clubs in the competition.
 
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