To End a Myth.

[Opacus]

Amen to that Laffles.

 

[epik]

Thanks for this. I wish there were more postings about factual ways the AI actually calculates things and more specific explanations on the roles and duties and how they affect your players rather than generic theorycrafting about football in general.

 

[laffles]

To take a non-FM view on this, point 2 is probably true yes, but 1 and 3 aren't.
A computer is perfectly capable of learning, trust me, I'm doing a Computer Science degree and have an exam in AI on Monday

I'm sure that SI could implement this too, although it would probably make the game even harder.
And as has been previously mentioned, and acknowledged by the OP, the opposition can start to use a tactic you're weak against. I'd call that learning, without wishing to get too technical about it.

A computer has to be ******* advanced to learn, most just work through reactions to certain parameters and calculate outcomes's using variables, giving the impression of 'learning'.

Im no computer scientist, but Im certainly no Idiot, I do know what i'm on about well, atleast most of the time...

 

[covmatty1]

...most just work through reactions to certain parameters and calculate outcomes's using variables, giving the impression of 'learning'...

Hmmmmm yeah good point, hadn't thought of it that way. Suppose it can just take all of your results, and the formations that were played against you in the losing games, and work from that. Which I suppose isn't really learning in a technical sense (although it depends on your definitions), but is still pretty clever AI!
I bet there's some kind of basic learning elements used though, although unless someone actually went through the game's programming I guess we wont know for sure.

 

[W4FC B3N]

Computers are idiots, they wouldn't be able to work if it wasn't for us programming them. They are dumb objects!

 

[donkarlito]

If AI can learn your tactics wouldnt you struggle against every opposition. I just got beat by Spurs 3-2 because I decide to go for the winner and got hit on counter.

 

[laffles]

If AI can learn your tactics wouldnt you struggle against every opposition. I just got beat by Spurs 3-2 because I decide to go for the winner and got hit on counter.

If the AI could learn you'd face a Jose Mourinho every game. They'd know every inch of your tactics and you'd be systematically destroyed every game.

 

[donkarlito]

If the AI could learn you'd face a Jose Mourinho every game. They'd know every inch of your tactics and you'd be systematically destroyed every game.

Whats the point playing a game like that it wouldnt be fun

 

[jmoser]

If the AI could learn you'd face a Jose Mourinho every game. They'd know every inch of your tactics and you'd be systematically destroyed every game.

Why is that so? Real managers can learn, and yet not every manager is as good as Jose Mourinho. There is more to football than knowing what your opponent is going to do. You still need to be able to stop it. Plus the amount of learning would probably be controlled by the quality of the manager.

 

[DoItNow]

All I notice is some play more defensive. No tactic I used that had been a success for me has ever really tailed off no matter how long I went on. Any season I missed on something was largely due to me making a mistake on some young or ageing players or my main rivals improving drastically and winning more games not my tactic.

 

[laffles]

Why is that so? Real managers can learn, and yet not every manager is as good as Jose Mourinho. There is more to football than knowing what your opponent is going to do. You still need to be able to stop it. Plus the amount of learning would probably be controlled by the quality of the manager.

You've just argued my point. If the AI could learn your tactic You'd lose everygame as they would have an counter measure for everything.

Read the OP, I clearly state that one of the Variables used is: Their Managers preffered style and tactical attributes.

 

[TheBetterHalf]

If AI can learn your tactics wouldnt you struggle against every opposition. I just got beat by Spurs 3-2 because I decide to go for the winner and got hit on counter.

The point is that the AI is actually more static then we are and have fewer choices, only using the TC. If micro managing the game, the user has a great advantage towards the AI. But, and this is a really, really big but, they make fewer mistakes when making ingame changes as they watch they game in slow mode and in full match, always ready to make a reaction to what they see in the pitch ( ie match stats/match report). If being a casual gamer, using plug & play tactics and not paying attention to details, then all of a sudden, the AI has a huge advantage.

In short, the AI is not that smart as users say it is, but its still ever so thorough, but again, but, basing their decision on a static code

Si could actually make the AI smarter, no doubt, but then It would be like playing Chess against a computer and that would not be fun at all, leading to SI selling very few copies. This leads to that they simply cant make the AI smarter, only make the TC tactics/approaches more stable

 

[Dicko1878]

Well the first thing i learnt in Software Developement was that computers are NOT intelligent and that they only do what you programmed them to do, it doesnt "learn" anything and as Laffles has previously stated it only can adapt by using variables.

I saw a post in this thread that said that the AI can learn and said that he got hit on the counter when going for the winning goal, well you probably conceded because the team you went uber offensive on has a high counter attacking stat (from the editor probably). Therefore it didnt learn just adapted using variables, its not that hard to understand surely =/

 

[donkarlito]

I saw a post in this thread that said that the AI can learn and said that he got hit on the counter when going for the winning goal, well you probably conceded because the team you went uber offensive on has a high counter attacking stat (from the editor probably). Therefore it didnt learn just adapted using variables, its not that hard to understand surely =/

The first part of my post was a question was about if its true about the AI learning your tactics then every match would be battle of wit with a computer. The 2nd part was pretty much human error I thought I had better team and momentum went for it and lost it, if I thought about more away from home, tough team, went behind twice I possible wouldn't of done it but at time I thought I could win it.

 

[ajt09]

most definitely, especially after the first season. This is why so may users suffer from "second season syndrome" where a lot of the things they do go to pot

Gone to pot isn't the phrase I'd use. In second season of prem and it's pretty much going to **** in a ****** handcart. 8 games in and i'm still to score a goal and so far conceded 32 goals-it's an absolute nightmare. Getting more and more tempted to play a match, and exit FM-after "forgetting" to save it and having to replay it lol

 

[Dicko1878]

The first part of my post was a question was about if its true about the AI learning your tactics then every match would be battle of wit with a computer. The part was pretty much human error I thought I had better team and momentum went for it and lost it, if I thought about more away from home, tough team, went behind twice I possible wouldn't of done it but at time I thought I could win it.

No i wasnt having a go at you, i mean in general a lot of people not quite grasping that AIs dont learn, i just used your post as an example =]

 

[donkarlito]

No i wasnt having a go at you, i mean in general a lot of people not quite grasping that AIs dont learn, i just used your post as an example =]

My bad, just wanted clear it up I find most the time I lose its my fault anyway

 

[Dazron]

A computer has to be ******* advanced to learn, most just work through reactions to certain parameters and calculate outcomes's using variables.

Wtf is this if it isn't 'learning?

 

[Striker122]

the AI doesnt learn it just adapts its own tactic to attempt to counter yours, i am a computing student and yes computers CAN learn but only certain things and at the moment it requires stupidly powerfull computers and that tech is no going to be on a game that costs £30....

 

[SS19]

Wtf is this if it isn't 'learning?

Well, it depends on a definition of learning. For me adapting to your playing style is enough for learning. And please, do not go to semantics, there is better definition of learning, but for me that is enough.