Tottenham 0-0 Man City: Spurs dominate but Hart keeps it level

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Tottenham 0-0 Man City: Spurs dominate but Hart keeps it level
http://www.zonalmarking.net/2010/08...-city-spurs-dominate-but-hart-keeps-it-level/

The starting line-ups
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An excellent game to get the new Premier League season up and running. No goals, but tremendous entertainment and some interesting tactical elements too.

Tottenham lined up with ten of the eleven who were involved in the penultimate game of last season against City – Vedran Corluka in for Younes Kaboul was the only changed.

Roberto Mancini chose to field new signings Aleksandar Kolarov, David Silva and Yaya Toure, in a defensive-minded 4-3-3 / 4-5-1 that essentially featured three holding midfielders.

The key to the game was all about who could control the tempo. The two sides had completely different approaches – Spurs played quick balls to the wingers who looked to run at the City full-backs, and they played at an incredibly high tempo as they dominated the opening period.

Spurs had a host of efforts on goal in the first 15 minutes but found Joe Hart in excellent form – he made multiple outstanding saves to deny Tottenham. Most of the chances came when Spurs got the ball wide and got crosses in – direct balls to the front two were dealt with reasonably well by Kolo Toure and Vincent Kompany.

City struggled to maintain possession of the ball early on, despite their three central midfielders, and therefore were unable to slow the pace of the game. Hart hit a couple of hopeless long balls towards Tevez upfront, where he had little chance of getting the better of Michael Dawson and Ledley King in the air. Tottenham were defending with two solid banks of four, but City rarely looked to get their midfielders or full-backs into attacking positions early on, so they were often faced with a 3 v 8 situation when trying to break down the Spurs defence.

City improve

Eventually Spurs had to drop the pressure slightly after their frantic opening to the game, and City gradually grew into the contest – the more they had possession, the more their shape had an interesting look to it. Tevez played possibly the most exaggerated false nine role possible – picking up the ball in incredibly deep positions and letting Silva and Shaun Wright-Phillips attempt diagonal, out-in runs in behind the Spurs defence.

Meanwhile, the three central midfielders had one clear job – to keep the ball. The amazing pass completion rates of Gareth Barry (56 out of 59), Yaya Toure (68 out of 70, below) and Nigel de Jong (55 out of 59) demonstrate that, and the more they kept the ball, the better defensive job they did (remember, Sid Lowe believes Spain’s tiki-taka style is a better defensive tactic than attacking one).

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The primary reason for this was that they forced Tottenham into abandoning their two-striker formation, as one of them (generally Defoe) was forced to drop back deep into midfield and help out. Often he would try and get goalside of one of the City’s midfielders, but on another occasion he found himself tracking Kolarov’s run from left-back – with City outnumbering Spurs 3 v 2 in the centre of midfield, Aaron Lennon was sometimes forced inside and left Kolarov free.

Spurs still on top

That said, Spurs were still creating the better chances, and it’s difficult to understand what they were doing wrong other than not providing the finishing touches to some excellent moves. This was seemingly what Harry Redknapp thought too, for he chose to remove the ineffectual Crouch-Defoe partnership in favour of Roman Pavlyuchenko and Robbie Keane midway through the second half, rather than actually changing the formation as a whole, or substituting players involved in build-up play.

Kolarov’s half-time injury may have helped City, because his replacement Pablo Zabaleta dealt far better with Aaron Lennon. This seemed to allow Micah Richards to push on on the opposite side (in the first half, Kolarov had been the main attacking threat) and he started to push Bale into more defensive positions.

In the second half both sides became slightly tired – maybe to be expected on the opening day of the season, and considering the nature of the first 15 minutes. City’s ball retention meant the pace of the game slowed and it became a more static contest, although Barry took up more advanced and wider positions, playing almost as a carrilero rather than a basic central midfielder.

No goals

What both sides lacked was a central midfielder looking to connect with the strikers – City’s central three were conservative, whilst Luka Modric and Tom Huddlestone combined only completed two passes to any of the four strikers that featured for Spurs, partly as a result of being up against a three, partly because that was Spurs’ gameplan.

The game deserved a goal, but on the opening day, a draw between last season’s 4th and 5th-placed sides was perhaps to be expected.

Conclusion

Little to talk about from a tactical point of view about Spurs, though they were the better side, creating more chances. Hart was the best player on the pitch by some distance, and on a few occasions Spurs lacked a little luck.

Mancini’s defensive-minded formation will come in for some criticism, but one suspects he got the result he was looking for. The three central midfielders actually did their job rather well, but Tevez dropped too deep considering neither Silva nor Wright-Phillips were comfortable in becoming the temporary centre-forward when he did. Wright-Phillips wasted City’s best chance, through on goal with a bouncing ball, but he didn’t even manage to get a shot away.

With so many new arrivals it’s difficult to predict City’s formation, but this 4-3-3 / 4-5-1 might be Mancini’s preferred system for ‘big’ games, particularly tricky away trips. It needs some refining, but he’s not too far away from something that works quite nicely.
 
Despite the score line, it was a highly entertaining match between two sides who will be right up there again, challenging for the top four.

Two completely different tactical approaches and both played to there strengths, City rode there luck but that’s what you need in football. I also thought some of there passing moves were excellent and the stats provided prove that.

David Silva was good, not excellent but he grew more confident as the game went on, he might need a season to adapt to the physical nature of the league, quite like Luca Modic, who had a poor game I thought.

Joe Hart was great, I still think he is far too Hollywood with a lot of easy saves, not taking away his great performance, I felt through the game that he could handle anything thrown at him, which is what you need in a keeper.
 
hart was very good, if looked after properly will be a top class keeper, maybe even world class, he had the ability, and more importantly the temperament. Silva will be the key to city, the DMC's sole job looked to be to provide a platform for him, though they will need to be a bit more expansive if they want to really compete.

despite spurs looking on top, i think city are the better prepared for european games, they look a better posession side, i think spurs 4-4-2 will be tested in europe and possibly found wanting should they make it to the group stages
 
Hart looked solid. Despite The 0-0 scoreline was still a very good game.
 
hart was very good, if looked after properly will be a top class keeper, maybe even world class, he had the ability, and more importantly the temperament. Silva will be the key to city, the DMC's sole job looked to be to provide a platform for him, though they will need to be a bit more expansive if they want to really compete.

despite spurs looking on top, i think city are the better prepared for european games, they look a better posession side, i think spurs 4-4-2 will be tested in europe and possibly found wanting should they make it to the group stages

Not really, they harldy completed any pass. I think Spurs will pack midfield for European games playing 4-5-1. Maybe Palacios/ Sandro with Huddlestone and Modric. Thats very good line up which has everything, tackling, pass, shot. They got it all.
 
Not really, they harldy completed any pass. I think Spurs will pack midfield for European games playing 4-5-1. Maybe Palacios/ Sandro with Huddlestone and Modric. Thats very good line up which has everything, tackling, pass, shot. They got it all.
on the contrary they completed a lot of their passes, and the stats speak for themselves.
The amazing pass completion rates of Gareth Barry (56 out of 59), Yaya Toure (68 out of 70, below) and Nigel de Jong (55 out of 59).

Modric was poor in that game, and your line up for spurs has yet to play, on paper they look good, but then games are not played on paper. Sandro is an unknown quantity, we yet to see him play in the Prem, or even in Europe
 
Man City's problem in the first half was they basically used three holding midfielders and sat back and let Spurs go for it which could of been costly apart from having Hart in goal. Spurs should of buried this game by the half hour and shows that Spurs need that one striker who is top class to beat some of the top keepers in he premier league.

If Harry can pull the rabbit out the hat and find someone who plays upfront on his own then you will see Spurs playing with the lone front man in Europe with the five in midfield. Thats where Spurs are strong enough with the quality of players at our disposal.
 
Man City's problem in the first half was they basically used three holding midfielders and sat back and let Spurs go for it which could of been costly apart from having Hart in goal. Spurs should of buried this game by the half hour and shows that Spurs need that one striker who is top class to beat some of the top keepers in he premier league.

If Harry can pull the rabbit out the hat and find someone who plays upfront on his own then you will see Spurs playing with the lone front man in Europe with the five in midfield. Thats where Spurs are strong enough with the quality of players at our disposal.
totally agree about the lone front man, because i look at your squad and i see the "destroyer - passer - creator" triangle in abundance, with quality widemen who like to drift off the flank. That current lack of a real lone forward in my opinion will be the downfall of any real european push from spurs.
 
Let's be honest, both teams were playing for a draw, the pass completion stats from City show it, they hardly misplaced a pass, because there was no vision, simple passing between the 3 of them just trying to keep possession not supply the forwards. I don't believe midfielders who should be creative to be praised for pass completion, the amount of chances created is what matters. On paper Man City's squad is far stronger than Tottenham's and if it wasn't for Modric, Tottenham's strike force couldn't compare to City's. Spurs will be happy with the point and clean sheet against the likes of Tevez and Silva I'm sure but if Mancini plays safe football much more he will be out of a job sooner rather than later. Also comparing City's passing to Spain's is a massive exaggeration, Spain have players like Xavi and Iniesta who can completely change a game with one shot, pass or cross, they cannot be compared to De Jong or Y. Toure both of whom are holding midfielders. I'm not saying it was a bore draw but it was certainly a safe draw, neither side looking like they really wanted it.
 
on the contrary they completed a lot of their passes, and the stats speak for themselves.


Modric was poor in that game, and your line up for spurs has yet to play, on paper they look good, but then games are not played on paper. Sandro is an unknown quantity, we yet to see him play in the Prem, or even in Europe


How many passes are forward passes? Stats dont speak for themselves. We all have seen how good passing was, i mean sideways. Spurs team is tested, they have to change only the formation, whereas City are trying to put whole new team together, you decide which is worse atm.

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Aannddyy;635194[B said:
]Let's be honest, both teams were playing for a draw[/B], the pass completion stats from City show it, they hardly misplaced a pass, because there was no vision, simple passing between the 3 of them just trying to keep possession not supply the forwards. I don't believe midfielders who should be creative to be praised for pass completion, the amount of chances created is what matters. On paper Man City's squad is far stronger than Tottenham's and if it wasn't for Modric, Tottenham's strike force couldn't compare to City's. Spurs will be happy with the point and clean sheet against the likes of Tevez and Silva I'm sure but if Mancini plays safe football much more he will be out of a job sooner rather than later. Also comparing City's passing to Spain's is a massive exaggeration, Spain have players like Xavi and Iniesta who can completely change a game with one shot, pass or cross, they cannot be compared to De Jong or Y. Toure both of whom are holding midfielders. I'm not saying it was a bore draw but it was certainly a safe draw, neither side looking like they really wanted it.

No, Spurs were all over City in the first half and should have scored at least 3 goals by half time.
 
How many passes are forward passes? Stats dont speak for themselves. We all have seen how good passing was, i mean sideways. Spurs team is tested, they have to change only the formation, whereas City are trying to put whole new team together, you decide which is worse atm.

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No, Spurs were all over City in the first half and should have scored at least 3 goals by half time.
spurs cant really currently change the formation as they lack the striker who can knot it togther. city on the other hand just need time to knot it together.

In europe possession, possession, possession is the mantra. spurs remind me of united some years back; their wide direct 4-4-2 with pacy clever wingers, strength and guile in the midfield, can be devastating in the prem, but is also in a lot of ways fatally flawed in europe. And i dont say this to dismiss spurs in europe, i really want them to do well, and harry would do well to heed the lessons united learnt the hard way.
 
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No, Spurs were all over City in the first half and should have scored at least 3 goals by half time.

Maybe I worded it wrong, what I meant was 'both teams had already accepted the outcome would be a draw' yes there was always going to be chances, but the way they played, particularly Man City's midfield trio gave an inkling to that maybe this game wasn't as highly contested as some people believe.
 
spurs cant really currently change the formation as they lack the striker who can knot it togther. city on the other hand just need to know it together. in europe possession, possession, possession is the mantra. spurs remind me of united some years back; their wide direct 4-4-2 with pacy clever wingers, strgenth and guile in the midfield, can be devastating in the prem, but is also in a lot of ways fatally flawed in europe. And i dont say this to dismiss spurs in europe, i really want them to do well, and harry would do well to heed the lessons united learnt the hard way.

I dont agree with that. We all know how Inter played last season. If you are good on counter then possession game hardly matters.
 
I dont agree with that. We all know how Inter played last season. If you are good on counter then possession game hardly matters.
but inter had a defenisive discipline that very few teams can match. it is very difficult to be able to defend like that without getting overrun. and to be fair they didnt play on thecounter all the time, certainly not at home
 
Maybe I worded it wrong, what I meant was 'both teams had already accepted the outcome would be a draw' yes there was always going to be chances, but the way they played, particularly Man City's midfield trio gave an inkling to that maybe this game wasn't as highly contested as some people believe.

Different opinions;) . I felt Spurs went for win (No surprise as it was WHL) and City were ectremely cautious.
 
We've played 4-5-1 in Europe before (under Harry) and did ok despite not fielding the strongest team. We do need a stronger forward as madsheep said and I feel we'll get that player if we beat Young Boys. Under Ramos we also did well in Europe and only lost to Sevilla due to some very dodgy decisions. At the moment, from what I've heard and read, the club is not prepared to splash out on huge signings until they are guaranteed the extra Champs League income -- if we beat Young Boys then Harry should be able to make the changes he wants. Makes for a boring transfer window so far, but also makes a lot of sense -- we don't want to be the next Leeds or Portsmouth.

As for the City game, Spurs maybe accepted a draw midway through the second half, but they certainly went out for the win and battered City for the first 45 minutes -- really, Spurs battered City in the first half.
 
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We've played 4-5-1 in Europe before (under Harry) and did ok despite not fielding the strongest team. We do need a stronger forward as madsheep said and I feel we'll get that player if we beat Young Boys. Under Ramos we also did well in Europe and only lost to Sevilla due to some very dodgy decisions. At the moment, from what I've heard and read, the club is not prepared to splash out on huge signings until they are guaranteed the extra Champs League income -- if we beat Young Boys then Harry should be able to make the changes he wants. Makes for a boring transfer window so far, but also makes a lot of sense -- we don't want to be the next Leeds or Portsmouth.

Agreed if we get through the qualifying stage then we are guaranteed 20 million to improve and that extra cash will hopefully fund the team.
 
but inter had a defenisive discipline that very few teams can match. it is very difficult to be able to defend like that without getting overrun. and to be fair they didnt play on thecounter all the time, certainly not at home

Just mentioned Inter thats it, Possession football is not that imp when you dont know what to do with possession. Fast counter attacking game (Ala United 7-1 Roma) is better way who can counter well..

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We've played 4-5-1 in Europe before (under Harry) and did ok despite not fielding the strongest team. We do need a stronger forward as madsheep said and I feel we'll get that player if we beat Young Boys. Under Ramos we also did well in Europe and only lost to Sevilla due to some very dodgy decisions. At the moment, from what I've heard and read, the club is not prepared to splash out on huge signings until they are guaranteed the extra Champs League income -- if we beat Young Boys then Harry should be able to make the changes he wants. Makes for a boring transfer window so far, but also makes a lot of sense -- we don't want to be the next Leeds or Portsmouth.

As for the City game, Spurs maybe accepted a draw midway through the second half, but they certainly went out for the win and battered City for the first 45 minutes -- really, Spurs battered City in the first half.

Agreed if we get through the qualifying stage then we are guaranteed 20 million to improve and that extra cash will hopefully fund the team.


So whom will spurs offload then? Keane or that Russian crouch?
 
We've played 4-5-1 in Europe before (under Harry) and did ok despite not fielding the strongest team. We do need a stronger forward as madsheep said and I feel we'll get that player if we beat Young Boys. Under Ramos we also did well in Europe and only lost to Sevilla due to some very dodgy decisions. At the moment, from what I've heard and read, the club is not prepared to splash out on huge signings until they are guaranteed the extra Champs League income -- if we beat Young Boys then Harry should be able to make the changes he wants. Makes for a boring transfer window so far, but also makes a lot of sense -- we don't want to be the next Leeds or Portsmouth.

As for the City game, Spurs maybe accepted a draw midway through the second half, but they certainly went out for the win and battered City for the first 45 minutes -- really, Spurs battered City in the first half.
interesting, didnt know that was how spurs were approaching it, very sensible attitude. someone like dzeko must he high on the radar
 
I still reckon Keane will be the one offloaded. I dont know what has happened to him but he just looks a poor shadow of the player he was. He looked good again in the pre-season but when it comes to the competitive games he looks lost. When he came on against City he was non-existent.
 
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