Wales vs England 26/3/11

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Why can't Parker play in the next tournament? He's 30, and one of the fittest players in the premiership with the drive, determination and never say die attitude that will help prolong his career. He'll still be playing at the top level by the World Cup in Brazil

Not sure about 2014, yet but certainly a must in this form for 2012.

EDIT: Just seen above post - pretty much agree with that. Wouldn't put him on a par with Gerrard and Rooney, but I know what you mean.
 
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Including Parker was a typical, illogical Cappello move. Why wait till the player is 31 to call him up for a tournament he will be 33 during? He wasted his time on Gareth Barry when all this time he could have played Parker for the last 2 years. Muppet.


EDIT: Obviously i know this isn't the tournament yet, and is a qualifier, but why pick him now and not 1-2yrs ago.
You ask why didn't he call him up 2 years ago? Well, here's the reason: people didn't think he was as good 2 years ago, I bet you didn't think he would be good enough to make the England squad then. It's like saying Wilshere should of been called up 2 years ago, he was nowhere near as good. But I agree with you, Barry is **** in my opinion, he's meant to be the defensive rock in the team but Parker is a lot better, less lazy, better tackler/ball winner and better all round, I reckon.

OKay a young player like rodwell then...



That is his biggest stregthen but will ultimatel be his biggest flaw... With this drive, dtermination and never say die attitdude, He covers a lot of ground, which means when it all catches up with him, He will decline rather quickly as a player... At 34 is he still going to be able to cover as much ground as he does now..? And lets be honest, he isnt getting in the team because of his superior technical ability,
How many young players do you think can play in the 'Parker' role who is good enough for the England team? Addison? Cork? Frimpong? Jones? Jenkins? Are they good enough for the England squad, I mean a Derby player, a Chelsea reserve, a Blackburn natural centre back and a Watford player? Who would you pick to play instead of Parker?

I don't think Capello deserved all the stick he got, but I agree he was made many stupid mistakes. A good solid win for England, a win is a win, no matter how you get it.
 
Thar be a match report. ZM also did one, I notice, didn't know he was back.

Very good report from what I've read.

Actually, I only had time/patience to read the bit about Wilshere/Ramsey since I was writing my own thing, but some interesting points (especially concerning what we discussed) so well done!

How did you do the ZM-style diagram, by the way?

And aye, ZM be back. He went to some Barca game I think but was back on Football Weekly Xtra on thurs... I should really stop stalking, uh I mean, following him on twitter.. :/
 
Very good report from what I've read.

Actually, I only had time/patience to read the bit about Wilshere/Ramsey since I was writing my own thing, but some interesting points (especially concerning what we discussed) so well done!

How did you do the ZM-style diagram, by the way?

And aye, ZM be back. He went to some Barca game I think but was back on Football Weekly Xtra on thurs... I should really stop stalking, uh I mean, following him on twitter.. :/

Thanks, glad it was of some use for you.

I just recreated it using paint.net and some incredible copy/pasting skills. :P
 
Very good report from what I've read.

Actually, I only had time/patience to read the bit about Wilshere/Ramsey since I was writing my own thing, but some interesting points (especially concerning what we discussed) so well done!

How did you do the ZM-style diagram, by the way?

And aye, ZM be back. He went to some Barca game I think but was back on Football Weekly Xtra on thurs... I should really stop stalking, uh I mean, following him on twitter.. :/

Are you writing your bit on Wilshere/Ramsey on here, or AR? Should be interesting to read, compared to the naff job GC did anyway. ^^)
 
Are you writing your bit on Wilshere/Ramsey on here, or AR? Should be interesting to read, compared to the naff job GC did anyway. ^^)

It would be if Joss wasn't my alternate account. <)
 
How many young players do you think can play in the 'Parker' role who is good enough for the England team? Addison? Cork? Frimpong? Jones? Jenkins? Are they good enough for the England squad, I mean a Derby player, a Chelsea reserve, a Blackburn natural centre back and a Watford player? Who would you pick to play instead of Parker?

How about Cattermole..? Reo Coker, both parkers juniors, and in Cattermoles case has the exact same drive, given time will control that temper.
 
Are you writing your bit on Wilshere/Ramsey on here, or AR? Should be interesting to read, compared to the naff job GC did anyway. ^^)

It would be if Joss wasn't my alternate account. <)

Haha.... what?

I'm writing it on AR, but I'll post a link to it on the match thread (Don't want to spam GC's report) & will post any section that I feel may be relevant to what's been discussed :)

Being Arsenal Report, my article focuses on head to head with JW and Ramsey, though.
 
Decent first-half performance, and a sloppy, uninterested second.

Not really much else to say. Our formation in the second-half didn't take advantage of their switch-up.

Onwards and upwards... oh to be an England fan.
 
Some interesting points from Paul Hayward in the Guardian...

Fabio Capello's new formation allows Jack Wilshere the freedom to roam

  • Arsenal wunderkind displays his rich talent in midfield despite the Welsh snapping at his ankles to little effect


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England's Jack Wilshere, right, battles for the ball with Wales' David Vaughan and Ched Evans.


An arena synonymous with thunderous Six Nations combat was the stage for a mismatch as Wales achieved something few international teams have managed in recent months: they made England look like masters of their fate.

Fabio Capello's side left a hostile Cardiff with a 2-0 victory – they now have three wins from four in Euro 2012 qualifying Group G – and fresh eulogies for the 19-year-old Jack Wilshere, their new playmaker, who drew this compliment from the England manager: "He is like a player who's 28 or 29 years old and has 40 caps."

This had the feel of a Premier League side outclassing a team from the Championship, but the English gains were many. The way the group is shaping up, the trip to Montenegro on 7 October will settle the leadership issue: always a big deal for a captaincy-obsessed nation. John Terry recovered the armband without fuss but Capello has still to find a suitable room in which to pacify Rio Ferdinand.

The chief gain from this one-sided contest was a greater range of tactical options for Capello, who used a weak Welsh side as a kind of blackboard. More experimentation is expected for Tuesday's Wembley friendly against Ghana with Capello saying he may make as many as 11 changes. Ashley Young, the Aston Villa winger apparently bound for a top-four Premier League club, left Wales as England's probable first-choice winger, and Wilshere, the country's best young midfielder, is no longer trapped in a defensive guard-dog role.

A penalty by Frank Lampard and Darren Bent's third goal in three internationals steadied another politics-ridden campaign. Lampard escaped the chop, Wilshere was freed from the holding role to display his rich talent in a more creative position and Wayne Rooney picked up a booking that will extend his summer holiday courtesy of a suspension for the Euro 2012 qualifier against Switzerland in June.

After a week in which the captaincy assumed a morbid hold on the English psyche – and Lampard looked likely to be dropped in favour of Scott Parker – Capello deployed a fluid system that returned Rooney to the left side of midfield and used Parker to grant Wilshere more attacking scope.

"I decided, after watching games Wales have played, for Parker and two midfielders." Capello said. "I decided for a new position for Rooney and Ashley Young. When we are defending they stay wide, when we have the ball Wayne comes in and it was a problem for Wales. This formation is really good because some players like Ashley Young are improving a lot."

None as fast as Wilshere, who made his England debut against Hungary in August, started in Copenhagen and is now a guaranteed pick, with two fine Champions League performances against Barcelona to sustain the hype. For him this was a bruising afternoon as Welsh boots snapped at his ankles.

England played 4-1-4-1 and 4-3-3, with Young excelling, Bent showing he can score regularly at this level, Parker looking assured against weak opposition and Wilshere exciting, as ever. This match will not linger in the memory but England were at least eager, organised and assured.

Only five of Wales's starting XI were Premier League registered — and one, Manchester City's Craig Bellamy, is on loan to Cardiff. Five were Championship players with Nottingham Forest (Chris Gunter), Norwich (Andrew Crofts), Swansea (Ashley Williams), Millwall (Steve Morison) and Leicester (Andy King). The 11th, Joe Ledley, is at Celtic.

This talent chasm was readily apparent as Wales were incarcerated in their own half as Aaron Ramsey, the youngest Wales captain in 135 years, at 20 years and 90 days, endeavoured to be the Welsh Wilshere. Ramsey, a sparkling talent, has much in common with his fellow Arsenal pup, but was too soon into his comeback from serious injury to be able to dominate a robust England midfield.

With Gareth Bale, Ramsey offers a talent base for Wales to build from, but the haste with which some absent fans condemned the new manager, Gary Speed, for a dire first-half performance suggests the real problem has not been recognised: a shortage of Premier League-calibre manpower, and an excess of passengers at this level.

After the break, when England eased off, Wales passed more fluently. But this was a rotten advert for the Home Internationals, which should be left in aspic, and not because England are too good to bother with their neighbours. These games serve no educational purpose and are rarely entertaining. They offer only a distillation of everything we already know about British football.

The feuding was good, though. The UN have intervened on flimsier grounds than those offered by Ashley Cole and Bellamy as they jabbered and jabbed their way through the first half-hour, until Bellamy, regrettably, switched flanks.

By then Lampard had scored from the penalty spot after James Collins had tripped Young, his Aston Villa team-mate, on six minutes, and Bent had swept in a Young cross nine minutes later to suggest a landslide might be coming. Wales froze. Their supporters passed the time by baiting the English. Not a word of God Save the Queen had been heard above local booing, which confirmed the futility of playing anthems should the Home Internationals ever lurch from their museum.
 
How about Cattermole..? Reo Coker, both parkers juniors, and in Cattermoles case has the exact same drive, given time will control that temper.
I dunno, Cattermole has problems controlling his anger, Reo Coker is quite old now and not technically good enough. Who's Parker Jnr.? I think Cattermole would be the best choice out of the three, but he gets sent off and booked too often and is a proper Anchor Man and isn't that good a passer. But I do agree, Capello should try some youngsters although I would include Parker in the squad as well.
 
I dunno, Cattermole has problems controlling his anger, Reo Coker is quite old now and not technically good enough. Who's Parker Jnr.? I think Cattermole would be the best choice out of the three, but he gets sent off and booked too often and is a proper Anchor Man and isn't that good a passer. But I do agree, Capello should try some youngsters although I would include Parker in the squad as well.

But Cattermole is 22 i think, maybe playing for England will give him the responsibility to calm that anger issues. He will also Mature soon enough and control that temper of his. Parker Juniors, means they are younger then him. Reo-Coker is actually 4 years younger then parker and did captain Englands u21s for a good amount of time, so he has experience of the England Set Up and is a very good player.

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/12874875.stm

Five players released by England for Ghana friendly


So who is going to captain England now..? John Terry shows his club comes before his Country... And wont even skipper us when he is fit.
 
Interesting discussion on Reo-Coker. So long as you don't want him to pass over 10 feet, he's a superb little footballer and the best pure destroyer we've got. Only 26 too.
 
Interesting discussion on Reo-Coker. So long as you don't want him to pass over 10 feet, he's a superb little footballer and the best pure destroyer we've got. Only 26 too.

Thats it, with players like Lampard and Wilshire around him, he wont be expected to spray the ball around like a master, he will be there to press and win he ball. With Rio hopefully coming into CB soon again, He will also have Rio, who can play with the ball at his feet.
 
So who is going to captain England now..? John Terry shows his club comes before his Country... And wont even skipper us when he is fit.

Give it a rest, Scott.

Rooney is also going to be absent, because Chelsea and United, would rather focus on the title race than risk injuries to their key players in a friendly.

You think if Rio were fit, he wouldn't have been withdrawn too? Your constant nonsense is becoming tiresome.
 
Give it a rest, Scott.

Rooney is also going to be absent, because Chelsea and United, would rather focus on the title race than risk injuries to their key players in a friendly.

You think if Rio were fit, he wouldn't have been withdrawn too? Your constant nonsense is becoming tiresome.

He has just been instated as Captain again, yet isnt playing when totally fit for the game... Now we going to go back to passing the armband round like it is nothing again..? So who is getting it for this game, All them players should be made to play but the captain has a responsibility to play...


If rio was fit, He would of played if he was captain... If it is boring you Billy, Dont read it, Fairly simple... no?
 
Some (early) lunchtime reading: Head to Head: Jack Wilshere v Aaron Ramsey (Wales 0-2 England) | Arsenal Report http://t.co/jpmeyyE

Discussing: Basic formations, tactical changes, and how their performances effect their place in the Arsenal side.

Sorry about the delay - Ix has been very busy this weekend, so no interactive pitch or graphics, but hopefully the article (written by me) will be good enough!

Feel free to comment and discuss as always!
 
If rio was fit, He would of played if he was captain...

100% assumption.

Scott said:
If it is boring you Billy, Dont read it, Fairly simple... no?

Better to cull the ignorant, than ignore them and allow ignorance to breed. (H)

That, and you pretty much post constantly in the threads in this section, so it becomes hard to ignore.
 
100% assumption.



Better to cull the ignorant, than ignore them and allow ignorance to breed. (H)

That, and you pretty much post constantly in the threads in this section, so it becomes hard to ignore.

Nice to see the first part of the post was ignored Billy. (H)


100% assumption, Not exactly, History tells us, Rio never left a squad early unless Injured....


Hard to ignore or not wanting to Ignore....? I am in this section, cause lets be honest this is the best section on the forum... And i dont need help with FM so dont ask for it.

Ignorance is to ignore the reasoning behind Terry not being in the squad is on issue, like you did in your post.
 
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