Where has all the creative and golascoring midfield play gone???

I've had good results from advanced playmakers in the cm position.

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Kroos also played well. 27 apps, 3 goals 13 assists 7.44. Overall pass rate of 84%.
 
Just like Draigh said, nowadays creative mid is more like Xavi or Modric, dictating the team's play from deeper position. Spraying passes to more advanced players/ wide players rather than directly hoofing the ball to the strikers to score. That's why they're not spectacular and grabbing attention, and their assists Just like Draigh said, nowadays creative mid is more like Xavi or Modric, dictating the team's play from deeper position. Spraying passes to more advanced players/ wide players rather than directly hoofing the ball to the strikers to score. That's why they're not spectacular to watch and grabbing attention that they deserve, as opposed to the classic no 10. The classic no 10 is dying now, because their only job is to create, and playing on the space between defence and midfield. Nowadays this space is closed by having a defensive midfield to mark him. One example is Mesut Ozil. In his 1st season at Madrid he managed around 30 assists in all competition (CMIIW) and he's tearing weak teams apart but he was non existent in El Clasico because he was owned by Barca's midfield, and because his laziness to track back.Well now into FM, it's pretty much the same with reality, the MC get low rating because he don't assists or score a lot, also don't make lots of key passes. But as long as his pass completition and anticipation is high, its fine. If you really want to see him score and assists, play him as AMC with lots of freedom, through balls, normal wide play and roaming. Currently I have Modric as AMC and he has got 11 goals and 16 assists in 30 match
 
I was the one who put the first thread on here and it certainly has caused a bit of a divide between people that agree and people that don't. People have offered me their advice and if i was to listen to everyone's advice I would be playing a deep lying, attacking midfield player maker with little creative freedom but with also the freedom of the pitch not being allowed to rome but to also play in a free role. He must also be defensive and attacking minded not take long shots but shoot on sight and play a short passing with through balls game. He must play a narrow game but move our to the wings and also move into the channels. lol. So to solve this problem I have signed Jesus Christ and told him to do what he likes. Things are going well and he has scored a hubdred goals a game for me and I will post some screen shots later lol. On a serious not I am looking to develop a Paul Scholes/Frank Lampard/Steven Gerrard (and no I don't mean when he plays behind a striker I mean when he dominates in the midfield) type player. And all this talk about the classic number 10 this or the classic number 10 that, number 10 is a striker to me. A lot of top teams still play with 2 strikers.
 
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Montanaro said:
I'm pretty sure there is something wrong with AMCs this year. I'm playing a tactic with 2 amcs and they really don't do anything...ever. They never attack well inside the box, they don't run much, have a hard time linking with midfield or strikers. I had one save with napoli with this formation where I came in 3rd in Serie A, but I simulated all the games and I'm pretty certain the assman changed tactical instructions.
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There hasnt been any change in that area this year
 
aslaram said:
AMC is not so much of a problem, well at least not goals and assist wise (it's pretty realistic) but it's the lack of goals and assists from CM position that most people aren't happy with. That aside though, the thing that's annoying me the most is the ratings for AM and CM players. I've looked at stats for them during the game, ready to sub them off because they're ratings not very good and yet they're passing around 88%+ accuracy with key passes, a couple of shots and still their rating sucks. The DM ratings aren't great either and I've watched Fernando play awesome in some of the games.

I wonder whether the new patch will change that. Speaking of new patches, when will the next one be? Does anyone know?
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Much like real life, CM's are not going to get many assists unless they are in the final third with the split pass, or launching a raking long pass behind a high defence. Same with goals. It all comes down to the movement of the players and how you create space for the to move into. Create space for your Cm to break in to the box, and he will go for goal. Give your deep player the freedom and passing range to play that raking diagonal ball, and the players making the run behind, and he will do. Proving they have the ability
 
So where does Ramires factor into the advice and illustrations given? Does he not run form deep? Isn't he defence first for chelsea? There's no way this game could recreate what he does in real life.

I appreciate the Modric conundrum. He controls the game, knitting everything together and Van Der Vaart get's the goals, Bale the assists - that's real life.
Now, let's say I sell Van Der Vaart, play Modric in his role and put Moutinho in the Modric hole, I'd expect Modric to get a healthy return of goals, but it doesn't quite happen in FM12.

The other problem I have is that though people say this FM12 is more realistic in its number of assists and goals for CM's and AMC's, the same people fail to recognise that it's not right for a striker to play 40 games and get over 60 goals, while inside forwads get 80% of the assists and the other 30 goals between them. My experince so far is that it is far too reliant on indside forwards (wingers aren't affective) and poachers.

I still don't think it's unreasonable to expect a CM to get 10 assists and goals a year for a top team. Football shows they still exist. Lack of assists and goals aside, they're gona have to up their average ratings and reflect their importance, 6.96 ratings at the end of the season are just depressing.
 
aslaram said:
So where does Ramires factor into the advice and illustrations given? Does he not run form deep? Isn't he defence first for chelsea? There's no way this game could recreate what he does in real life.

I appreciate the Modric conundrum. He controls the game, knitting everything together and Van Der Vaart get's the goals, Bale the assists - that's real life.
Now, let's say I sell Van Der Vaart, play Modric in his role and put Moutinho in the Modric hole, I'd expect Modric to get a healthy return of goals, but it doesn't quite happen in FM12.

The other problem I have is that though people say this FM12 is more realistic in its number of assists and goals for CM's and AMC's, the same people fail to recognise that it's not right for a striker to play 40 games and get over 60 goals, while inside forwads get 80% of the assists and the other 30 goals between them. My experince so far is that it is far too reliant on indside forwards (wingers aren't affective) and poachers.

I still don't think it's unreasonable to expect a CM to get 10 assists and goals a year for a top team. Football shows they still exist. Lack of assists and goals aside, they're gona have to up their average ratings and reflect their importance, 6.96 ratings at the end of the season are just depressing.
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An AMC can and will get 10 goals a season, they can get 20-25 in this game, depending on how you actually use him. I used Hamsik to get 20 and 20 last game, even now Modric in my new save sits on 13 assists by december.

Not sure why you would expect modric to get many goals at amc though, he isnt a finisher, he might get a few, but that isnt his game, excellent all round but lacks the finishing and long shots. Wingers are certainly effective, though i expect more work to be done on crossing. i play with winger support at AML/R or more usually ML/R and they are devastating.

Not as simple as saying inside forwards get all the assists, its down to how you set up your sides, and where you set up create your chances from, most people choose to play with inside forwards, because they prefer a direct game, then they wonder why the cms are not involved

It isnt as simple as saying a CM should get a 10 goals though. those kind of CMs are the ones breaking into an around the box, usually done because space is created for them, so that its what you must do in FM

Ramires = Box to Box mid, i have javi martinez playing ramires role, to great effect
 
If your AMC is good enough and has the right attributes, he'll get you goals. Jari Litmanen ripped up the Championship for me: 15 goals and 13 assists in 30 games including sub apps. Considering he got injured twice, that's pretty **** impressive.

EDIT: Focus on PPMs. Much, MUCH more important than you'd think.
 
GodCubed said:
If your AMC is good enough and has the right attributes, he'll get you goals. Jari Litmanen ripped up the Championship for me: 15 goals and 13 assists in 30 games including sub apps. Considering he got injured twice, that's pretty **** impressive.

EDIT: Focus on PPMs. Much, MUCH more important than you'd think.
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I cannt stress enough the importance of PPMs, so overlooked and taught without thought by many people
 
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