Why My Tactic / My Team Suddenly Stop Working As Usual ?

[Scapegoat]

I coached Barcelona. Now im on my 5th season.

During my first 4 seasons, I won La Liga 4 times, won Champions League 3 times.

Countless cups -> (Copa Del Rey, Super Cup, World Championship, etc etc)

I used tactic which I downloaded from this forum on the tactic thread

It bring me glory and success, but suddenly on my 5th season something strange happen

During my glory years, in a match I usually won by 4 or 5 goal winning margin, create maybe 8 - 10 chances in a game.

Now, in my 5th season, im losing to almost every other team from Sporting to Real Madrid, minnow team in my home game usually win by 1 goal margin, 3-2, 1-0, 2-1....

Usually my team create countless chance but couldnt score, opposition team create 3 chance, and suddenly score 2 goals with strikers who have low composure, low finishing

Their goalkeeper suddenly have the game of thei lives. rating 8 - 9 every time they come up against me

My players make simple passes wrong (intercepted by opponent), couldnt finish a simplest chance even my grandma would finish it of, my defenders Benedikt Howedes, and one reagan player who is both 187 cm and 190 cm, could be beaten by opponent defender on a corner time and time.

I want some explanation on why my tactic suddenly stop working ?

 

[1jakebrown]

using the same tactic for 5 years in a row maybe other teams have learnt how to play against you

 

[Scapegoat]

using the same tactic for 5 years in a row maybe other teams have learnt how to play against you

Doesnt make any sense, if that is the case, then im sorry, developer of the game should be fired. In real life, Ferguson use same formation for almost 30 years, yet still win the league every year.

 

[WJ]

Teams don't figure out how you play and make specific changes based on that. They just don't.

As for the OPs problem, no idea. Teams generally get more and more defensive as you are more successful. They also copy (shape only, I think) your formation if you're dominating with it. Maybe your tactic can't cope with that?

Anyway, best advice? Download a different tactic or learn how to do your own.

 

[WJ]

Doesnt make any sense, if that is the case, then im sorry, developer of the game should be fired. In real life, Ferguson use same formation for almost 30 years, yet still win the league every year.

Ferguson really didn't. Anyway, in FM14, I didn't need to change tactic for many many years so FM is much more forgiving than real life.

 

[wkdsoul]

Your club rep is higher, you're now a bigger threat. Teams will play tighter and hit you on the break, hence the same chances and goals ratio. You need to find 3 varying tactics, expecting 1 to work forever is ridculous. Fergie was notorious for braking up and team and is shape, while variying the style. A team that started with Hughes and McClair upfront, did not play the exact same way as the Ronaldo, Tevez & Rooney side.

 

[Scapegoat]

Teams don't figure out how you play and make specific changes based on that. They just don't.

As for the OPs problem, no idea. Teams generally get more and more defensive as you are more successful. They also copy (shape only, I think) your formation if you're dominating with it. Maybe your tactic can't cope with that?

Anyway, best advice? Download a different tactic or learn how to do your own.

So, the best way to play football manager nowadays is : prepare 3 or 4 tactics, every 2 or 3 seasons change it. Never settle for one tactic

Is it really the way football team is prepared by a manager in real life ?

I love this game from the championship manager series, but nowadays the game is so much more difficult to enjoy...

If I need to change tactic every 2 season, what happen with my players ?

Lots of players need to be sold, and buy a certain type of player just to accomodate a new tactic

 

[1jakebrown]

of course teams are going to adapt to how you play thats ridiculous

 

[wkdsoul]

You dont need to change that much, just need to know when you cna battering ram teams by dictating the play and when you have to play smarter to create the opening. Look at Liverpool, they can switch from a 343 to a 433 to a 442 diamond, with the 25 players they have.

 

[WJ]

So, the best way to play football manager nowadays is : prepare 3 or 4 tactics, every 2 or 3 seasons change it. Never settle for one tactic

Is it really the way football team is prepared by a manager in real life ?

I love this game from the championship manager series, but nowadays the game is so much more difficult to enjoy...

If I need to change tactic every 2 season, what happen with my players ?

Lots of players need to be sold, and buy a certain type of player just to accomodate a new tactic

Sorry, did you not read what I wrote? I built a good tactic in FM14. Never needed to change it. I'm doing the same now but I keep changing teams and then building a new one to suit my team.

You don't have to change your tactic every season. One-dimensional downloaded tactics are another story though.

 

[Scapegoat]

the first 4 years, my tactic seems to make my players better than their ability. For example, my tactic have 2 inside forward on either side of the wing.

The left one I usually have someone who dominantly use their right foot, as he will cut inside often. I used Pedro sparingly during my first 4 season as a sub. In a season, he usually scored 10 - 15 goals, and made 10 - 15 assists. He is ordinary player rite ? in another tactic, let say I used 4-4-2. And i placed him on left wing, Im not sure he will racked up 15 goals and 15 assists in a season where in each game he will play just only 30 minutes.

Its a sign that my tactic is good, and make my players play better, my team play better.

In a 5th season now, I have bought Eden Hazard and he is sure as **** better than Pedro. But he delivered goals and assists worse than Pedro

Same system, better player. Probably the best squad that I have to fit this system. But worse result

Doesnt make any sense.....

 

[WJ]

the first 4 years, my tactic seems to make my players better than their ability. For example, my tactic have 2 inside forward on either side of the wing.

The left one I usually have someone who dominantly use their right foot, as he will cut inside often. I used Pedro sparingly during my first 4 season as a sub. In a season, he usually scored 10 - 15 goals, and made 10 - 15 assists. He is ordinary player rite ? in another tactic, let say I used 4-4-2. And i placed him on left wing, Im not sure he will racked up 15 goals and 15 assists in a season where in each game he will play just only 30 minutes.

Its a sign that my tactic is good, and make my players play better, my team play better.

In a 5th season now, I have bought Eden Hazard and he is sure as **** better than Pedro. But he delivered goals and assists worse than Pedro

Same system, better player. Probably the best squad that I have to fit this system. But worse result

Doesnt make any sense.....

Same system, better but DIFFERENT (attributes, PPMs and adaptability) player.

 

[Scapegoat]

Same system, better but DIFFERENT (attributes, PPMs and adaptability) player.

Eden Hazard as an inside forward on the left wing

I dont think I made a mistake using Hazard on that position

It seems that, if the AI decided to think =

"Ok, you have been winning a lot with a same tactic, From now on I will make every team play with a tactic that supposed to counter your tactic 100%. No matter the player, no matter the team talk, no matter the morale, no matter the health condition."

Then it is game over for u, unless u change tactic.

 

[WJ]

Eden Hazard as an inside forward on the left wing

I dont think I made a mistake using Hazard on that position

It seems that, if the AI decided to think =

"Ok, you have been winning a lot with a same tactic, From now on I will make every team play with a tactic that supposed to counter your tactic 100%. No matter the player, no matter the team talk, no matter the morale, no matter the health condition."

Then it is game over for u, unless u change tactic.

That's not the point and you're wrong. There is nothing like that in effect. You're focusing on one player, with different attributes and PPMs. He will play differently to what Pedro did. You need to take that into account. You haven't. There are 9 other outfield players around him. That also needs taking into consideration. Thirdly, he's still new and would need to adapt.

 

[sickness81]

ofcourse teams will setup according towars you.
it's a miracle using the same tactics for four seasons.
and all new players need to addapt.
some do it quicker than others.

 

[NezzaNUFC]

you don't need to have 3 different tactics this would mess up your development into purchasing players, why have a 3-4-3, 5-3-2 and 4-2-3-1 in the tactic slots? this doesn't make sense at all!

you CAN have 1 tactic to play every season but have different Mentalities so say you play a wide 4-2-3-1 have one as attacking another as counter and another as contain or defensive.

if you do though get bored of using the same formation style like the 4-2-3-1 try implementing a similar style to the 4-2-3-1 like

Narrow 4-2-3-1, 4-1-2-2-1, 4-4-2, 4-1-3-2, 4-3-1-2 etc,etc but don't use daft formations like 3-4-3, 3-5-2 etc,etc

 

[sickness81]

ofcourse teams will setup according towars you.
it's a miracle using the same tactics for four seasons.
and all new players need to addapt.
some do it quicker than others.
and some players just don't work in a certain leauge

 

[Leoforos13]

Not sure if the AI is any good at exploiting the players weaknesses, but it certainly seems able to identify and counter your strengths.

+ is it possible that your players suffer from complacency ? This might explain a lot.

 

[WJ]

The OP is suffering from complacency, not so much the players.