Wingers Vs. Inner Forwards

[Ursulla]

For me to swap my wingers? It'd depend on what I was trying to achieve. Lets say I've played a winger on one side as an IF and its not really worked out for me for the first hour and im now chasing an equalizer/winner so I'd swap him sides and maybe duty and/or roles just to see if it helps and adapt my team to be of a more attacking nature and ultimately achieve a better result. It all depends on the situation your in, the team your playing against and what you've got at your disposal.

Would you consider a swap between right winger right only foot and left winger left only foot while both of them can only play only one side of the pitch...OR does the swap must have as a hidden condition that they both know how to play on the other side?What if only one of them is capable of playing on both sides? would you consider a swap then?Does The swap involve the hidden fact that they mush have somekind of role on the other side?And even if they have an ability to play on both side,is competent is good enough for swapping or you need an accomplish ability?

 

[LFC Canary]

I would only swap if both players can play on both sides, wouldn't swap if they were any less that competent though. And I dont mind if they're both footed or just one footed, I'd still put a right footer on the left wing but it just means that their play isnt going to be as varied as somebody who's good with both feet. But if I was going to put a right footer on the left he'd have to have decent finishing or long shots so I'd be able to play him as an inside forward, or even an advanced playmaker. But it all depends for me, if it would disrupt my tactic. Like my tactic that I use atm seems to work better with inside forwards rather than wingers so I'm somewhat limited as to the type of player I pick to play on the wings as I try to use players with certain styles of play to fit what my tactical style is.

 

[miguelalves]

For sure...But at the same time I adjust my philosophy according to the material I have...I don't come first with the philosophy and forcing my players to adapt to it...Instead I am forcing my philosophy to their strengths and abilities...A great Manager is not the one with a bombastic philosophy but one that uses the right one most suitable for his players...And If I'm signing a new player that could take my team to another level of playing I'm will ADAPT all my team and myself to make them a better squad and the **** with my philosophy...

You have different approaches and they are both correct: you can do that, but you can also set what is your philosophy and then go to the market.

 

[Ursulla]

I would only swap if both players can play on both sides, wouldn't swap if they were any less that competent though. And I dont mind if they're both footed or just one footed, I'd still put a right footer on the left wing but it just means that their play isnt going to be as varied as somebody who's good with both feet. But if I was going to put a right footer on the left he'd have to have decent finishing or long shots so I'd be able to play him as an inside forward, or even an advanced playmaker. But it all depends for me, if it would disrupt my tactic. Like my tactic that I use atm seems to work better with inside forwards rather than wingers so I'm somewhat limited as to the type of player I pick to play on the wings as I try to use players with certain styles of play to fit what my tactical style is.

Amazing...Why the inside forwards are better than wingers at your tactic...what extra flair do they add that wingers are lacking?It seem to me that an inside foreward should be a of more quality player than a winger since when he cut inside he is facing much more trouble than the winger who only needs to deal with one defender...?

 

[dickdastardly]

I've also found that you shouldn't really play 2 IF's. Go with a Winger and an IF instead.Your winger will pick up more assists, while your IF will knock some goals in for you. Generally the IF isn't going to be the spearhead of your attack, so you have to determine if you want him to help score or help support. If you want him to support, you want a player like Eden Hazard. If you are looking to score, look for speed, finishing and dribbling. Think of a better dribbling poacher.

 

[Ursulla]

I've also found that you shouldn't really play 2 IF's. Go with a Winger and an IF instead.Your winger will pick up more assists, while your IF will knock some goals in for you. Generally the IF isn't going to be the spearhead of your attack, so you have to determine if you want him to help score or help support. If you want him to support, you want a player like Eden Hazard. If you are looking to score, look for speed, finishing and dribbling. Think of a better dribbling poacher.

Now,that is really interesting idea to say...What exactly didn't work with the system of two Inside Forwards for you...Isn't each player add his own personal flair to the team?Each one of them work on a different wing,why would the two clash with one another?

 

[AayushCFC]

Inside wingers have to be inverted wingers, right footed left wingers and left footed right wingers. Wingers cross more so they have to be proper wingers. I usually use Inside forwards. Hazard on left flank, De bruyne in Middle as playmaker, Mata on right as inside forward attack (His finishing is really good (16)). I have fullbacks overlapping for crosses, Azpi has most assists this season (Not because of crosses though, lol, my Midfielders all have shoot from distance but also good decisions and finishing and long shots so they score quite a bit from simple passes from my defenders and they get assissts). Anyways, it's all about how you want to play, playing overlapping FBs will make you vulnerable to Counter-attacks and you may need a DM as Half back.

I don't swap my wide players even though both of them have accomplished on both flanks, I prefer left footed player on right flank only. Mata's scored a lot of goals for me as IF attack.

 

[Ursulla]

Inside wingers have to be inverted wingers, right footed left wingers and left footed right wingers. Wingers cross more so they have to be proper wingers. I usually use Inside forwards. Hazard on left flank, De bruyne in Middle as playmaker, Mata on right as inside forward attack (His finishing is really good (16)). I have fullbacks overlapping for crosses, Azpi has most assists this season (Not because of crosses though, lol, my Midfielders all have shoot from distance but also good decisions and finishing and long shots so they score quite a bit from simple passes from my defenders and they get assissts). Anyways, it's all about how you want to play, playing overlapping FBs will make you vulnerable to Counter-attacks and you may need a DM as Half back.

I don't swap my wide players even though both of them have accomplished on both flanks, I prefer left footed player on right flank only. Mata's scored a lot of goals for me as IF attack.

So you are saying basically that a system of two Inside Forwards works just fine...and you use your fullbacks for crossing without the need of any winger...You have got it all figured out...Bravo!

 

[AayushCFC]

So you are saying basically that a system of two Inside Forwards works just fine...and you use your fullbacks for crossing without the need of any winger...You have got it all figured out...Bravo!

Sarcasm? xD

Yeah, I've been using two IFs in all my tactics, even when I don't have fullbacks overlapping, I instruct my CMs to "Run wide with the ball"

 

[Ursulla]

Sarcasm? xD

Yeah, I've been using two IFs in all my tactics, even when I don't have fullbacks overlapping, I instruct my CMs to "Run wide with the ball"

Hey..I'm just glad that someone could really made those Inside Forwards to work...And not only one but two!You are the only one so far to do it on this thread...I had suspicions that those Inside Forwards are the key to success...And you are the inspiration to make it happen...Why would you instruct your central Midfielders to run wide with ball?What whould you achieve buy using that instruction?

 

[mersk]

I've also been using 2 IFs in my tactics, did the same in FM13 and I prefer the wide players to cut inside to either shoot or lay on a pass. This fits well with my philosophy of dominating possession and playing attacking football, not to mention I find the classic "winger running down the line to cross from byline" a bit pass?. I tend to give my players high creative freedom, and the width is maintained by attacking full backs (lately complete wing backs).

In my opinion the "wrong" footed wingers are a vital part of the modern game, at least the way I like football to be played. They create numeric advantages in the middle of pitch when the opposition's full backs are forced to maintain width to cover my own full backs, meaning I often get 6 players in the middle of the pitch; my two CMs, of which one is a BWM and the other a DLP, with focus of recycling possession when lost and dominating the pace of the game from midfield; the two IFs who cut inside and roam from their positions; the AMC who stays in the hole between their midfield and defence; and my CF who moves into channels.

And for those wondering: Yes, I'm vulnerable to fast counter-attacks. But with fast full backs with high stamina, a defensive BWM with high tackling and anticipation, and two top class centrebacks (and of course an equally solid goalkeeper) I generally punish teams a lot more than they punish me. The 5 seasons I've completed so far I've conceded 25 (x2) and 27 (x3) goals.

 

[Ursulla]

I've also been using 2 IFs in my tactics, did the same in FM13 and I prefer the wide players to cut inside to either shoot or lay on a pass. This fits well with my philosophy of dominating possession and playing attacking football, not to mention I find the classic "winger running down the line to cross from byline" a bit pass?. I tend to give my players high creative freedom, and the width is maintained by attacking full backs (lately complete wing backs).

In my opinion the "wrong" footed wingers are a vital part of the modern game, at least the way I like football to be played. They create numeric advantages in the middle of pitch when the opposition's full backs are forced to maintain width to cover my own full backs, meaning I often get 6 players in the middle of the pitch; my two CMs, of which one is a BWM and the other a DLP, with focus of recycling possession when lost and dominating the pace of the game from midfield; the two IFs who cut inside and roam from their positions; the AMC who stays in the hole between their midfield and defence; and my CF who moves into channels.

And for those wondering: Yes, I'm vulnerable to fast counter-attacks. But with fast full backs with high stamina, a defensive BWM with high tackling and anticipation, and two top class centrebacks (and of course an equally solid goalkeeper) I generally punish teams a lot more than they punish me. The 5 seasons I've completed so far I've conceded 25 (x2) and 27 (x3) goals.

(for those who read DLP -Deep lying Playmaker)...Which formation do you find to be the hardest to beat, facing your doom machine from ****?

 

[mersk]

(for those who read DLP -Deep lying Playmaker)...Which formation do you find to be the hardest to beat, facing your doom machine from ****?

Can't think of a specific formation, but definitely the very defensive ones. I've had troubles breaking down well organized teams who play with a (or even two) DM. The 4-5-1 V formation can cause me troubles, as can 4-2DM-2-2.

 

[Ursulla]

Can't think of a specific formation, but definitely the very defensive ones. I've had troubles breaking down well organized teams who play with a (or even two) DM. The 4-5-1 V formation can cause me troubles, as can 4-2DM-2-2.

So,what happens when you face another system like yours another killer machine attacking team?

 

[mersk]

So,what happens when you face another system like yours another killer machine attacking team?

I usually win

 

[Ursulla]

I usually win

That's fine...As no sytem is perfect...what would you consider to be the most
vulnerable aspect of your system?What kind of conditions needed that your system would break down?

 

[mersk]

That's fine...As no sytem is perfect...what would you consider to be the most
vulnerable aspect of your system?What kind of conditions needed that your system would break down?

As mentioned the biggest vulnerability lies in fast counter-attacks, I can get caught out when attacking with so many players. For a team to break down my play they have to be very well organized defensively, have high concentration in defence and pacey attacking players to turn the play around.

 

[Ursulla]

As mentioned the biggest vulnerability lies in fast counter-attacks, I can get caught out when attacking with so many players. For a team to break down my play they have to be very well organized defensively, have high concentration in defence and pacey attacking players to turn the play around.

Do you find it easier to defend against Wingers or against Inner Forwards? And why?

 

[AayushCFC]

Hey..I'm just glad that someone could really made those Inside Forwards to work...And not only one but two!You are the only one so far to do it on this thread...I had suspicions that those Inside Forwards are the key to success...And you are the inspiration to make it happen...Why would you instruct your central Midfielders to run wide with ball?What whould you achieve buy using that instruction?

It disrupts opposition's instructions as they need to prevent players crossing form wide, but they don't have any wide players closing down my CMs, if they go to close down my CMs then my IF is unmarked, also provides the width. Inside Forwards don't provide width, which is necessary for breaking down tight defenses.

 

[mersk]

Do you find it easier to defend against Wingers or against Inner Forwards? And why?

Find it difficult to defend against wingers, as even full backs with good defensive qualities often let them run to the byline and cross. But then again, I usually only watch key highlights.