pistolamore

Member
Joined
Feb 23, 2012
Messages
9
Reaction score
0
Points
0
I was curious to understand how many tweaks and changes everyone makes to their tactics on a regular basis? I've been guilty in the past of sticking rigidly to a tactic and not really changing much but, this year, I wanna try going all Guardiola and analyse each game and opponent before deciding on tactics. For the tactically gifted out there:

- do you set a base formation and just change roles/instructions here and there or do you change the formation (home form and away form, for example?)
- do you change things regularly during the game itself?
- what stats (if any) do you look at for the opposition and how does this effect your own plan going into the game?

Interested to here your thoughts and discussions.

Cheers


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
 
I was curious to understand how many tweaks and changes everyone makes to their tactics on a regular basis? I've been guilty in the past of sticking rigidly to a tactic and not really changing much but, this year, I wanna try going all Guardiola and analyse each game and opponent before deciding on tactics. For the tactically gifted out there:

- do you set a base formation and just change roles/instructions here and there or do you change the formation (home form and away form, for example?)
- do you change things regularly during the game itself?
- what stats (if any) do you look at for the opposition and how does this effect your own plan going into the game?

Interested to here your thoughts and discussions.

Cheers


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Well, for me personally I have a vision about football. That's the reason why you nearly never see a tactic with wide midfielders from me. That position doesn't suit into my vision about football and I don't like almost every players playable at that position. So, I do like wingers, strikers, central midfielders and I like to build up from the back due to a defensive/controlling midfielders. This results into a 41221, 4231 or a three strikers tactic. These ME doesn't allow to produce a very steady 3 strikers tactic, so that's not going to be an option. So, I take a look at my vision about football and what players suit that vision.

After that it is time to think about what you want to do when you are and aren't in possession. This also refers to your football vision. After you made 'logical' choice in comparison to your philosophy you should, like you said, watch games and see if players do what you want them to do and if your vision coud/does work in Football Manager. This will take some time, but makes you understand football and the game well.

So, one example, I like to have an agressive closing down method which didn't work in FM. I like to mark tight the best CD from the opposition with my striker and my most attacking midfielder should press the other CD. This is what lots of clubs in real life do. Also, I am a fan of closing down triggers in real life. For example, when a opposition player has the ball with his face to his own goal. But this is also a thing you can't select in FM. So I had to take further and got away from my vision. Due to watching games (2D) I analyzed what my team has to do in some situations. Over and over. It helped.

And yes, I do take a look at the opposition. I look for things like their best players, their formation and how they want to build up and attack. If they use a lot of long balls I do not press superb high up the field, for example.
 
Certainly. Right now I'm working on a pretty cautious 4123 tactic with a mixture of playing out of defense and more direct passing to fast winger, inside forward and a false 9. Right now I'm top of the league in Denmark with AaB. I cant settle on which role my left CM should have as I'm switching between advanced playmaker support, attack and even central midt on support or attack.
My leftback i'm switching between a fullback on attack, support and inverted wingback.

So it kinda depends on how the match is going...
 
CE im running a "stable" 4231 wide formation atm. control and possession base. trying to get it defensively sound tho. not a fan of 3 strikers. i usually struggle to get the best out of the lone striker. that's my other beef
 
Well, for me personally I have a vision about football. That's the reason why you nearly never see a tactic with wide midfielders from me. That position doesn't suit into my vision about football and I don't like almost every players playable at that position. So, I do like wingers, strikers, central midfielders and I like to build up from the back due to a defensive/controlling midfielders. This results into a 41221, 4231 or a three strikers tactic. These ME doesn't allow to produce a very steady 3 strikers tactic, so that's not going to be an option. So, I take a look at my vision about football and what players suit that vision.

After that it is time to think about what you want to do when you are and aren't in possession. This also refers to your football vision. After you made 'logical' choice in comparison to your philosophy you should, like you said, watch games and see if players do what you want them to do and if your vision coud/does work in Football Manager. This will take some time, but makes you understand football and the game well.

So, one example, I like to have an agressive closing down method which didn't work in FM. I like to mark tight the best CD from the opposition with my striker and my most attacking midfielder should press the other CD. This is what lots of clubs in real life do. Also, I am a fan of closing down triggers in real life. For example, when a opposition player has the ball with his face to his own goal. But this is also a thing you can't select in FM. So I had to take further and got away from my vision. Due to watching games (2D) I analyzed what my team has to do in some situations. Over and over. It helped.

And yes, I do take a look at the opposition. I look for things like their best players, their formation and how they want to build up and attack. If they use a lot of long balls I do not press superb high up the field, for example.

In my opinion, wide midfielder is only a customizable winger. Although it will be positioned differently, you can easily set it's PIs to act like wingers.
 
In my opinion, wide midfielder is only a customizable winger. Although it will be positioned differently, you can easily set it's PIs to act like wingers.
I agree, but for some kind of reason I don't get the same statistics.
 
I feel the same about wide midfielders, also 2 false 9's, does not seem natural too me, If you look on my thread your see my thoughts on pressing and also CE our football philosophies are very similar, We are out the klopp/poch playbook for sure. Good shout on the super high line, forgot to implement that on my counter tactic so when read that was a good reminder
 
I agree, but for some kind of reason I don't get the same statistics.

Since we are on the winger subject, what do you guys think would happen when I have a player with a ppm of cutting in from either sides but I have him playing as a winger which automatically set him to dribble the ball out wide? Would this be good if u want a hybrid winger/ inside forward combo? Or its just pure bollocks and it won't work well?
 
Since we are on the winger subject, what do you guys think would happen when I have a player with a ppm of cutting in from either sides but I have him playing as a winger which automatically set him to dribble the ball out wide? Would this be good if u want a hybrid winger/ inside forward combo? Or its just pure bollocks and it won't work well?
Hmm.. That's interesting. Worth a try.
 
Hmm.. That's interesting. Worth a try.

Not the answer I was hoping for but I guess you have not tried it before lol. I guess I will have to do some experiment then. Another question which is open to all who reads this, anyone ever tried a deep line of defence? I have tried it without much success due to the harassing and tackling done too close to my goal thus giving opponents higher chance to shoot or score. Opinion or ideas on how to play a tactic or formation with this setup?
 
I was curious to understand how many tweaks and changes everyone makes to their tactics on a regular basis? I've been guilty in the past of sticking rigidly to a tactic and not really changing much but, this year, I wanna try going all Guardiola and analyse each game and opponent before deciding on tactics. For the tactically gifted out there:

- do you set a base formation and just change roles/instructions here and there or do you change the formation (home form and away form, for example?)
- do you change things regularly during the game itself?
- what stats (if any) do you look at for the opposition and how does this effect your own plan going into the game?

Interested to here your thoughts and discussions.

Cheers


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I have my squad training on three sets of tactics, which - in order of the frequency I use them - are: 4-3-3, 4-4-2 and 4-4-1-1. I particularly like to take on sides in the Championship just after they have been relegated from the Premier League, because all the players start demanding transfers so you can build up quite a nice war-chest-o'cash to then quickly build your new squad in your own image.

I want specialists in every position, as much as possible, so to make that work within a 25-man squad I have worked out that I need two players per position for the Goalkeeper, Back-4 and Midfield-4, plus a tough tackling DM, a False-9, a tall, strong Target Man, a fast, quality-finisher of an Advanced Forward and a tall, energetic Shadow Striker, then another DM who can also cover one of the full-back positions and an AM(R/L/C) who can play as an Inside Forward on one wing and as a winger on the other. I'm always trying to develop younger players, so a couple of U21s who don't have to be registered in the squad provide extra cover. Among my 4 centre backs, I always have one Ball-Playing Defender, one Limited Defender and one Central Defender. In the midfield, 2 x Deep-Lying Playmakers and 2 x Advanced Playmakers. The wingers have to be able to play in both the M and AM positions. I'm not interested in Enganches, Registas, Ramdeuters or whatever they're called. So my squad stipulations are quite strict but they give me tactical flexibility.

I have one of my scouts provide Next Opposition reports and I check which formations they have struggled against. I also check the previous matches against that team (though that becomes irrelevant if they have changed manager during that time) and consider who among my players is fit and performing at the time. Now that my Aston Villa team are in the Europa League, I also look at the schedule and plan two/three games ahead so that individual players don't get worn out and others don't lose their match fitness.

So once I have chosen the formation, I will adjust specific roles to suit the player. For example, the left side of my front two in the 4-4-2 can be the False-9 or the Target Man so I will switch it to suit whoever is going to play - and when I make substitutions. I watch the matches in the Comprehensive View so I can see what is working and what is not. When I play 4-4-2, I'm always looking out for how much room the opposition is getting in the No.10 area and if I'm playing 4-3-3 but not getting anywhere with crosses, I have my Advanced Forward on the bench who, particularly in combination with the False-9, can stretch their defence through the middle of the pitch. So I'll switch from one formation to the other mid-match if I think it will give me an advantage or nullify a potent threat from the opposition.

From the Next Oppo report, I try to remember what periods of the match they are most likely to concede goals and will sometimes opt to attack more during those periods. I'm also happy to shut up shop, go on the defensive and waste time for the last 5 minutes to protect a lead, or even if we're well ahead but the other team is looking more likely to get a late consolation rather than us add another, to protect my goal difference in the league. Sometimes I use the Take a Breather option if we're well ahead, too. I was defending a 1-0 lead against Manchester City the other day. I moved my Complete Forward to the left as an Inside Forward and brought on the Target Man. We hacked the ball clear late on in the match, the TM held it up in the centre circle and released the IF for a run on goal. We didn't score because he got tackled at the last second, but that one moment has put the idea in my mind that bringing on a Target Man can be effective as part of a defensive tactic.
 
Since we are on the winger subject, what do you guys think would happen when I have a player with a ppm of cutting in from either sides but I have him playing as a winger which automatically set him to dribble the ball out wide? Would this be good if u want a hybrid winger/ inside forward combo? Or its just pure bollocks and it won't work well?

Any ppm overwrites your tactical setup so the player will cut inside
 
Top