As the proffessional decided he was good enough, and we made the quarter final, and that was for experience, not like he made the first team squad or even played.
2011 UEFA European Under-21 Tournament
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As the proffessional decided he was good enough, and we made the quarter final, and that was for experience, not like he made the first team squad or even played.
“Chelsea think extremely highly of him (Josh) and you can see why. He's got the ability and the vision that you know, if players run off of him, he's got the ability to find them with passes.
All of our cutting passes probably came from him. I think, in Josh, he's got a really outstanding talent, similar to Jack Wilshere, and it bodes well for us.”
Stuart Pearce
He clearly rates him highly Scott, I just think it would be unfair on the other players who have played regulary this season only to be dropped for Josh who hasn't featured much yet. McEachran's only start for the U21's resulted in him getting MOTM and praise from Pearce, and his teammates branding him as 'The future of England'. His time will come, he will be at the next Euro U21 Championship.
Edit, another quote from Pearce.
"We talk about the lack of talent in England but when you look at the talent of McEachran and Wilshere then I apply one of Sir Trevor Brooking’s famous old sayings, “If they were wearing Spanish shirts, you would revere them"
All of our cutting passes probably came from him. I think, in Josh, he's got a really outstanding talent, similar to Jack Wilshere, and it bodes well for us.”
Stuart Pearce
He clearly rates him highly Scott, I just think it would be unfair on the other players who have played regulary this season only to be dropped for Josh who hasn't featured much yet. McEachran's only start for the U21's resulted in him getting MOTM and praise from Pearce, and his teammates branding him as 'The future of England'. His time will come, he will be at the next Euro U21 Championship.
Edit, another quote from Pearce.
"We talk about the lack of talent in England but when you look at the talent of McEachran and Wilshere then I apply one of Sir Trevor Brooking’s famous old sayings, “If they were wearing Spanish shirts, you would revere them"
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It is not just about talent, it is the way team is set up. Josh and Wilshere would have added a lot of quality to the midfield. But even they would have been ****** to see other just hoofing and ball sailing over their head for 90 mins. Such was the team set up..
is that the same ozil that had the most out field appearrances for madrid in the 10/11 season and the most assists.
my point remains that Wilshere could've and should've went with the U21's and Ozil did it with Germany and he hasn't suffered
is that the same ozil that had the most out field appearrances for madrid in the 10/11 season and the most assists.
my point remains that Wilshere could've and should've went with the U21's and Ozil did it with Germany and he hasn't suffered
Way to completely miss my point. Ozil was subbed in the final 10 minutes for 30+ games IIRC. That's 300+ less minutes of football. Wilshere at the U21 tournament would have played 270 more minutes, so by that it can be assumed that Wilshere being rested is beneficial as shown by your Ozil example.
Also, what would Wilshere change? Is he really that much superior at watching the ball fly over his head?
I never once said Pearce didnt rate him highly... But clearly decided not to take him for a reason..
Rating someone highly as a youngster is different to thinking he is ready now.
Dont get me wrong, clearly the boy has something, something very good, but is he ready...? Well he aint there for a reason.
Very much so. He's been one of our better players in the games he's played at U-21 level and already has 17 senior games for Chelsea.
The problem is that Pearce doesn't accept he's a developmental manager now and his job is to help players develop for the seniors, whilst winning if possible.
He's too result obsessed which means we qualify for tournaments, and generally go far, by playing the worst kind of football, with athletes like Mancienne, Muamba and formerly Cattermole.
He then keeps the same players for the next campaign, if eligible, rather than freshening up. Explains why, under his tenure, guys like Muamba, Rose and Mancienne collect caps like candy and get 2-3 U21 tournaments under their belt, whilst promising talents like Albrighton just ride the bench.
He ignored Wilshere for large parts of the qualification campaign and when he did finally call him up, he played him on the wings or kept him as a sub for Danny Rose because he didn't know how to use him.
Wilshere's chance at U21 tournament was 2 years ago, when his development needed it. Not now when he's surpassed it. He's making the same mistake with McEachran now.
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Why should the under 21's be considered developmental? We should be trying our utmost to win international tournaments at every level, using the best players available. Pearce's decision to leave Wilshere out two years ago can be vindicated by the fact that we got to the final. This is the tournament that Wilshere should be playing in, and likewise McEachran if he is good enough.
Pretty much what FBP said,
I am not doubting McEachrans ability but unlike others i am not raving about him as this and that after 17 appearances for chelsea, mainly as subs or in low key games. Yes he played Brilliantly away to Marseilles but that was a dead rubber.
Wilshere should be here, I am sorry i said that all the way through, The german squad was based on therre successful squad the year prior the world cup and they where too over used to play us off the park. Ozil played all the u21 games and and full seasons in germany the seasons leading up and after that championship, and he looked lightening.
Firstly, U-21 football is age grade football. It IS developmental. Winning, whilst being important, should be secondary to development at that stage. Clubs use reserves and younger age groups to develop players. Why is the international level so different? This win-at-all-costs by selecting-physically-developed-kids mentality is what holds England back.
I agree, we should be picking our best team but we're not are we? We're picking players that fit Pearce's system, irrespective of whether these players are actually good enough for the seniors. FFS, watch the tournament now. We have a CB starting in midfield and a LB at LW/LWF! There is no talent development plan in place.
You say Wilshere's omission is justified by the fact that we got to the final. I strongly disagree with you.
Germany took the likes of Ozil, Neuer, Khedira, and Boateng because they were identified from an early age as senior prospects and developed. Even if they hadn’t won, they would have all been seniors one day. The tournament win was the icing on the cake for them and validated their approach.
Our short term view saw us select the likes of Cranie, Noble, Cattermole, Driver, Taylor and Lewis. These guys are nowhere near senior quality level now and winning that final wouldn’t have magically made them so. It would only have papered over the large gaping cracks.
Ozil and Wilshere comparisons are off the mark too. Ozil had 44 starts, over the previous 2 seasons (to 2009) COMBINED. Wilshere has 49 (?) just last season alone.
I agree, we should be picking our best team but we're not are we? We're picking players that fit Pearce's system, irrespective of whether these players are actually good enough for the seniors. FFS, watch the tournament now. We have a CB starting in midfield and a LB at LW/LWF! There is no talent development plan in place.
You say Wilshere's omission is justified by the fact that we got to the final. I strongly disagree with you.
Germany took the likes of Ozil, Neuer, Khedira, and Boateng because they were identified from an early age as senior prospects and developed. Even if they hadn’t won, they would have all been seniors one day. The tournament win was the icing on the cake for them and validated their approach.
Our short term view saw us select the likes of Cranie, Noble, Cattermole, Driver, Taylor and Lewis. These guys are nowhere near senior quality level now and winning that final wouldn’t have magically made them so. It would only have papered over the large gaping cracks.
Ozil and Wilshere comparisons are off the mark too. Ozil had 44 starts, over the previous 2 seasons (to 2009) COMBINED. Wilshere has 49 (?) just last season alone.
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Is that Cleverley?
Poor defending though
Poor defending though
Yes it is Cleverley. I wouldn't say poor defending, the moment was so swift hardly gave any time for defenders.. If only they played like this in matches..
Ozil played at the 2010 world cup also, did wilshere? thats what i thought.
On the rest of your post.
What do you people want from England, For years we have blasted managers for picking players not the system, We have slaughtered managers for playing 4-4-2 when we feel we would prosper better, We blasted the Lampard/ gerrard partnership for years.
Yet now Pearce is picking players to a systems, He is suddenly in the wrong, make up your mind.
I don't really know what you're trying to say here.
We're discussing the U-21s and their problems. The arguments used against the senior team should have no relevance.
But, going with it as you brought it up, Pearce isn't picking players to a system. He has his favourites (Mancienne, Rose) that he accomodates to the detriment of the team. Mancienne must start so he fits him into a role that is alien to him. Likewise Rose.
This argument has probably run its course anyway. Thanks for contributing. I'll stick around for more exchanges in the future.
Incredible game between Denmark and Iceland atm.
Iceland need to win by 3 goals in order to go through - only one team can go through, both can go out.
Boring game until 5 minutes or so ago - Denmark keeper been in top form, but Iceland scored once, and then again a minute ago. ONE MORE... But their manager has been sent to the stands!
Denmark just hit the bar!
EDIT: It's on SS1 now. Just less than half an hour to play.
Iceland need to win by 3 goals in order to go through - only one team can go through, both can go out.
Boring game until 5 minutes or so ago - Denmark keeper been in top form, but Iceland scored once, and then again a minute ago. ONE MORE... But their manager has been sent to the stands!
Denmark just hit the bar!
EDIT: It's on SS1 now. Just less than half an hour to play.
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how do iceland have so many travelling fans?