4-5-1 Game Domination
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coolguyrko
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How would you recommend setting up a United side using this tactic.Same squad except for maybe the use of Maicon(Inter) and Fernando(Porto).I was thinking in midfield Anderson the creative one while carrick passes with either Fletcher or Fernando the man who breaks up play.Kinda stuck as who to play on the wings.Nani,Young,Valencia and possibly someone else but I dont know yet.
Just like to say that this tactic has worked spectacularly well for me. I went on a 24 game unbeaten run which helped me win the title and promotion. What's more impressive is that I did this with Solihull Moors in the Blue Square North! This leads me to believe that you don't necessarily need to have world class players just the right players for the tactic. Thanks a million MJPresto!
I had a nice season in Championship with Leeds,with my own tactic so we finished second,now in EPL we fight against relegation and I don't have any more ideas for my tactic.With players in my team I think I can try this tactic and see how things will go.I will keep you posted.Peace.
Hi mate.I used your tactic for 5 games and here are some mixed results.
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I just want to underline that my Leeds team is tipped for relegation and of course there are some holes to fill in
my current squad.
VS ASTON VILLA: First match with your tactic and it was great,6 goals and my team played beautiful and I was allready
in love with the midfield setup.
VS TOTTENHAM: Away match against in-form Spurs was really tough,they were better team and I was forced to play with 10
players after my DC got injured and I didn't have more subs.Jermaine Defoe killed me in this game.
VS MAN.UTD: A big derby.I'm very satisfied with this result and with effort from my lads,Manchester dominated but we also had
our chances,Hernandez scored early goal and Gary Cahill scored for us 1:1.Manchester is on 1st place on my save so I'm happy
to leave this match undefeated.
VS EVERTON: ****** Everton,I play FM since 2007 an believe me I NEVER WON AGAINST EVERTON,I hate them
(sorry Everton fans)
anyway we were better team in every aspect and in this match I realized that I have problem with striker who can't finish,midfield
was great once again,but Mikel Arteta scored from penalty and took 3 points.The last commentary was "Leeds won't believe that
they lost this"
VS Blackburn: A bore draw.Not much to say about this match,both teams had their chances,I think we could go away with win but
my strikers failed again.
So,I like 4-5-1 and your setup seems to be interesting,we play much nicer football since I switched to this tactic.Of course
there are only 5 games and I will stick with it.As I told you before we still need some new players,especially a good striker.
And one more thing,I'm little disappointed with left winger because he doesn't do much except picking yellow cards so MAYBE
I will make some tweaks or make him also an inside forward.I have to say again that midfield is very sexy and I enjoy watching
them passing and creating chances,Covering DC is also great,he is always on the right place in the right time.When my team
get used to this tactic for real and with right players,I believe that much better results will come.
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I just want to underline that my Leeds team is tipped for relegation and of course there are some holes to fill in
my current squad.
VS ASTON VILLA: First match with your tactic and it was great,6 goals and my team played beautiful and I was allready
in love with the midfield setup.
VS TOTTENHAM: Away match against in-form Spurs was really tough,they were better team and I was forced to play with 10
players after my DC got injured and I didn't have more subs.Jermaine Defoe killed me in this game.
VS MAN.UTD: A big derby.I'm very satisfied with this result and with effort from my lads,Manchester dominated but we also had
our chances,Hernandez scored early goal and Gary Cahill scored for us 1:1.Manchester is on 1st place on my save so I'm happy
to leave this match undefeated.
VS EVERTON: ****** Everton,I play FM since 2007 an believe me I NEVER WON AGAINST EVERTON,I hate them
(sorry Everton fans)anyway we were better team in every aspect and in this match I realized that I have problem with striker who can't finish,midfield
was great once again,but Mikel Arteta scored from penalty and took 3 points.The last commentary was "Leeds won't believe that
they lost this"
VS Blackburn: A bore draw.Not much to say about this match,both teams had their chances,I think we could go away with win but
my strikers failed again.
So,I like 4-5-1 and your setup seems to be interesting,we play much nicer football since I switched to this tactic.Of course
there are only 5 games and I will stick with it.As I told you before we still need some new players,especially a good striker.
And one more thing,I'm little disappointed with left winger because he doesn't do much except picking yellow cards so MAYBE
I will make some tweaks or make him also an inside forward.I have to say again that midfield is very sexy and I enjoy watching
them passing and creating chances,Covering DC is also great,he is always on the right place in the right time.When my team
get used to this tactic for real and with right players,I believe that much better results will come.
What do you suggest when none of your players wish to learn a certain ppm?sell them?
Tweak the tactic so you won't need them to learn PPM's anymore or better yet, replace them with somebody you could ask to learn those PPM's or who already have those PPM's.
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I do not know about the training schedule calculator... Sorry!:S
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Okay, I'll try to see it.
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We'll it depends on how you use the tactic. Playing narrow and through the middle requires a narrow pitch. Playing wide and down both flanks needs a wide pitch. For this particular tactic unedited, you should have a wide pitch especially the Game Domination 2.0.
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So what you done different to 2.0??
Maybe try this.
GK
You could buy Sergio Romero and play him as Sweeper Keeper Support. You should focus on improving his acceleration among others though. His eccentricity is quite high too which isn’t a good thing at times.
DC’s
I think Thomas Vermaelen is your best DC. Play him as Central Defender Stopper.
If you want to add another defender, buy somebody fit for Limited Defender/Central Defender Cover duty.
Between Phil Jones and Chris Samba, the latter is the better choice. Neither isn’t good as a cover though. Thus, I recommend Nicolas Otamendi or Christian Zapata although I like Otamendi more. With proper training, you could develop him into a world class defender, perfect for a Central Defender Cover role, as what I did with him in Barca. The same could be said with Zapata though.
Nicolas Otamendi –
Limited Defender Cover; Focus Training: jumping
Central Defender Cover; Focus Training: concentration, jumping
Christian Zapata –
Central defender Cover; Focus Training: decisions, concentration
DL
Gael Clichy
DR
Bakary Sagna
DMC
Alex Song
MC’s
Cesc is a lock for AP Attack role. But if you want to play Jack Wilshere in central midfield, he is better suited in that role so you will have to move Cesc to CM Support. This position will not get the best out of Cesc though. So instead, buy somebody who would suit CM support role.
Among those three players, I think Fellaini would be the best buy. But I would rather recommend Danielle de Rossi or Sergio Busquets although they would cost you more.
Sergio Busquets – Ball Winning Midfielder Support; Focus Training: strength
Danielle de Rossi – Central Midfielder Support ; Focus Training : off the ball
Wingers
This is where you should think carefully before judging because your decision here will set-up your tactic. So you have four primary players for this position:
Arshavin – preferred position is AML IF Attack or AMR Winger Support if he could unlearn cutting inside
Nasri – preferred position is AML IF Attack or AMR Winger Support if he could unlearn cutting inside
Rosicky – preferred position is AML IF Attack or AMR Winger Support if he could unlearn cutting inside
Wilshere – preferred position is AMR IF Attack or AML Winger Support if he could unlearn cutting inside
I tried asking all of them to stop from cutting inside and not one wants to do so. This gives you three AML who plays IF and one AMR who plays IF too. These are my recommendations arranged depending on preference:
1) Create a “mirror” of the tactic, then play AML as IF Attack and AMR as IF Support, LB will be WB Attack and RB will be WB Support; this should be your last resort though.
2) Create a “mirror” of the tactic, then play AML as IF Attack, buy a real right winger and play him as AMR Winger Support
3) Buy a real left winger and play him as AML Winger Support and play AMR IF Attack
ST
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I would like to try it with PSG
Here is my squad:
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Can you help me with Roles and Duties?
Here is my squad:
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Can you help me with Roles and Duties?
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Ok so Im united so that means I have a good inside forward in Young but he is right footed so I have to play him on the left.So I have to mirror the tactic so the winger is on the right(valenica) and the inside forward is on the left(Young) does this mean I have to mirror the rest of the team or is it fine to leave it the way it is.Like does the MCL(Adv play) have to be the MCR and Vice Versa and the same with the centre backs or does it just have to be the AML,AMR,DL and DR that have to be swapped.
GK
Edwin van der Sar is the best GK in the squad although he isn’t suited to play Sweeper Keeper. Either play deeper and set him as GK Defend or replace him.
DC’s
Nevanja Vidic – Central Defender Stopper; Focus training: composure
Rio Ferdinand – Central Defender Cover
FB’s
LB, Wingback Attack – Patrice Evra is the best Fullback in your squad by a wide margin so its better for you to create a “mirror” of the tactic; Focus training: crossing
RB, Fullback Support – Rafael is your best RB. Replace him.
DMC
Owen Hargreaves
MC’s
Darren Fletcher – Central Midfielder Support; Focus training: long shots and off the ball
Paul Scholes – Advanced Playmaker Attack; Focus training: dribbling and flair
AML
Nani – Inside Forward Attack; Focus training: finishing, passing, decisions and teamwork
AMR
Antonio Valencia – Winger Support; Focus training: technique and decisions
ST
Wayne Rooney – try experimenting setting him as Complete Forward Attack but for the tactic, I recommend playing him as Advanced forward Attack; Focus training: dribbling
In short, you need to create a “mirror” of the tactic and find a good RB to play as Fullback Support. I set 14 as standard for a good attribute so those that are listed on focus training are those whose ratings are lower than 14. You could set it higher if you want to.
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The tactic is flawless against lesser sides !!!
However, in derbies, things tend to get harder...
I'm using Sporting and i just cant get a single win against Porto and Benfica
Any ideas ????
GK
Your best GK is Timo Hildebrand who is not suited to play as Sweeper Keeper. Look for a replacement on the transfer market.
DC’s
Daniel Carrico – Central Defender Cover; Focus training: composure, strength
Nuno Andre Coelho – Central Defender Stopper; Focus training: tackling, decisions, positioning
FB’s
Joao Pereira – Fullback Support; Focus training: marking, positioning, stamina
Evaldo – Wingback Attack; Focus training: dribbling, marking, decisions, positioning
DMC
Pedro Mendes – Focus training: marking, acceleration, strength
MC’s
Matias Fernandez – Advanced Playmaker Attack; Focus training: teamwork
Menache – Central Midfielder Support; Focus training: marking
Wingers
Jaime Valdes – Inside Forward Attack; Focus training: finishing, teamwork
Yannick Djalo – Winger Support; Focus training: decisions
ST
Liedson – Advanced Forward Attack; Focus training: crossing
I set 13 as standard for a good attribute so those that are listed on focus training are those whose ratings are lower than 13. You could set it higher if you want to.
I recommend creating a “mirror” of the tactic and replacing your current best GK and LB. You could off-load one or both of Marat Izmailov or Alberto Zapater to gain the necessary transfer funds to buy a decent LB and Sweeper Keeper. Marat plays best as a side-midfielder which is not needed in this tactic while Alberto suits best as a MCd which is already occupied by Maniche.
Although I haven’t played them yet using a Sporting CP side, these are my theories on how you would do better against Porto and Benfica.
Hulk and Falcao spearheads a strong Porto frontline. Hulk is faster and better physically while Falcao is better in air than any of your centrebacks. They too have excellent wingers in James Rodriguez and Fernando Belluschi (probably their starters) who are skillfull enough to harassed you on the flanks. I recommend you to sit deeper, avoid too much overlapping between your wingers and fullbacks , and play either defensive or counter-attacking. Use 4-5-1 Game Domination 2.0 because switching between strategies is easier there. You would tweak some of the settings though. And to make things more difficult, while Liedson is a better attacker than Hulk and Falcao they have Otamendi to throw unto him. Maximize the use of your two wingers while not dragging your fullbacks too much forward.
Benfica, I think, has more quality players and heavier at the top than Porto. Their attack will be headlined by Javier Saviola, Pablo Aimar, Fabio Coentrao (if he plays winger) and Nicolas Gaitan which is a better attacking unit than any combo Porto could throw on you. The goal, meanwhile will probably be patrolled by David Luiz, Julio Cesar, Luisao and Javi Garcia which would prove difficult to break down. Play counter-attacking and maximize the use of your wingers as they don’t have good fullbacks (other than Coentrao who we assumed will play more as a winger)to track them down. Play with a deep, if not very deep, defensive line and avoid so much overlapping on the flanks.
This are just my theories on how you would match up better against these sides by merely studying the set-up of their squads. There are a lot more to be considered but as long as you make appropriate adjustments, your team executes the tactic well, and you manage you personnel properly, you won’t go wrong. Lastly, if your aim is to win the league and you really just can’t get a win against your rivals, make sure that you get the job done against lesser teams.
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If you'll switch IF Attack to left, then you have to "mirror" everything to keep the formation as well as the roles and duties of the players balanced.
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The crucial part of the tactic is getting the right players for the specified positions. Basically, I stick with the duties and only change roles on the following positions:
1) MCR - either Central Midfielder or Ball Winning Midfielder; I prefer the former.
2) CB's - switch between Ball Playing Defender, Central Defender or Limited Defender, whichever suits the strength of your centrebacks; I prefer BPD for Stopper and CD for Cover though but this depends on the attributes of your players as I've said.
3) ST - either Advanced Forward or Complete Forward (for the likes of Rooney and Hulk).
Probably a good tactic, but I hate this having to only get certain types of players in for it to work. It really limits who you can buy in the game as there aren't many right wingers who play with left foot and vice versa, which is a major problem if you're a big, big club, because that only leaves a handful of players good enoguh and Messi and Ronaldo are just not worth buying to make a tactic work.
It's not a dig at you, it just seems to be the way people are designing their tactics this year. Nearly all of them have wingers cut inside. If this is an exploit, then I hope they sort it out in the next game.
It's not a dig at you, it just seems to be the way people are designing their tactics this year. Nearly all of them have wingers cut inside. If this is an exploit, then I hope they sort it out in the next game.
Building a tactic isn't a matter of getting players who are capable of playing that position and allowing them to play whichever you think is the best way to play, neglecting team play and balance. If you want to be a successful manager, you will have to build a tactic around the strengths of your team OR adopt somebody's or someone else's tactic and build a team around it. Its a reality and you can't bend it!
Why do you think Argentina and Brazil both went home empty-handed in just recently concluded Copa America despite having some of the best players of our generation? Both have star-studded and talent-filled teams - Messi, Tevez and Aguero for Argentina and Neymar, Pato and Robinho for Brazil.
If the Dutch's Total Football is a proven winner, why don't teams adopt it? If Spain and Barca's tiki-taka seems to dominate opponents, why can't other clubs replicate it? Because they have players who aren't capable playing that specific strategy.
How do you think Barca will fare if Pep instead of creating his own tactic of tiki-taka adopted Mourinho's (fairly) successful "Ugly" football? (I don't tend to bellitle Mourinho's tactic by using this largely biased adjective, but this is how most people called his tactic).
The aim of every manager in the world, whether it’s in real life or in FM Manager, is to find the right tactic for their team or to find the right players for their tactic. You just can't build a tactic that suits every team in the world that possess players who can play in those specified positions. What I'm trying to point out is you just can't copy another's tactic and use it in your team without thinking about your team's strengths and weaknesses and general type of play. But if you did or knew one, share it here and I myself will give you not just one, not just two, but several rounds of applause.
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how can i scout the team by myself??
This tactic looks very interesting for my newly started Everton save. If time allows, I will let you know how this works out for The Toffees sometime next week. The Everton players seem fairly suitable for the description you made on each position at least.