AI crossing the ball makes me concede tonnes!

[Fanty111]

Course you're an allowed an opinion-that's what a forum is for. But you have to keep it constructive and without foul language or insults. It's get's you nowhere.

granted, im just upset and i came in looking for help but no-one has suggested anything i havent already tried

on fm12 i got champions league victory in 4 years, in 3 years on fm13 i get them relagated, makes me very unhappy

 

[Mike.]

Firstly, im mad, i have an opinion is that not allowed? i may have no idea of how to balance a match engine but you arent in the shoes i am in, dealing with relegation and the same predictable diabolical story that happens every game where im being battered from crosses NEVER EVER from the middle

secondly, opposition instructions havnt worked, tweaking dl hasnt worked, man marking hasnt worked

thirdly, thank you, that is my most constructive thing you have said in your post

Look, if i was a newbie to this game and not been playing for 7 years it would be easy to dismiss my aggreviences but when i know i am a good manager, on top of that has never pirated the game, always bought it full price i becomes very difficult to hear that there is no problems

if there was no issues with the game why are we havng a third update before xmas coming?

I never said there were no problems.

I never said you werent allowed an opinion, dont jump to wildly incorrect opinons. Mad or not, abuse isnt tolerated, pure and simple. Keep it constructive

Why are you tweaking your D - Line? What formation are you even playing, what are you players like? You've told us nothing. How can you get the right advice? If you are conceding enough goals from one area to get you relegated, you are more than likely doing something horribly wrong.

And i've seen what's coming in the update. If you are conceding goals the AI isn't, then no amount of updates will help you, because its then something tactical.

 

[Mike.]

granted, im just upset and i came in looking for help but no-one has suggested anything i havent already tried

on fm12 i got champions league victory in 4 years, in 3 years on fm13 i get them relagated, makes me very unhappy

FM13 is much harder than 12, AI is far more dynamic, match engine is far more robust (wideplay was almost nerfed in FM12)

 

[Fanty111]

I never said there were no problems.

I never said you werent allowed an opinion, dont jump to wildly incorrect opinons. Mad or not, abuse isnt tolerated, pure and simple. Keep it constructive

Why are you tweaking your D - Line? What formation are you even playing, what are you players like? You've told us nothing. How can you get the right advice.

And i've seen what's coming in the update. If you are conceding goals the AI isn't, then no amount of updates will help you, because its then something tactical.

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obviuously i just screened them quickly so the players have moved out of position

the first is a tactic by a coration fella on here, second isa recreation of senegal in 2002 world cup which did get somne okay results but after a while faded and the third tactic is my recreation of 2002 brazil squad that won me the championship

 

[Fanty111]

FM13 is much harder than 12, AI is far more dynamic, match engine is far more robust (wideplay was almost nerfed in FM12)

i do resent you using a word like dynamic especially when the game is unpolished, i believe in my eyes that the mods ways of paving over the cracks

 

[Mike.]

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obviuously i just screened them quickly so the players have moved out of position

the first is a tactic by a coration fella on here, second isa recreation of senegal in 2002 world cup which did get somne okay results but after a while faded and the third tactic is my recreation of 2002 brazil squad that won me the championship

A few questions:

1) What are you realistic expectations of your side

2) What kind of football are you trying to play

3) what kind of football do you think your side can realistically player.

But tactic 3 is totally open down the flanks, only your fullbacks provide any cover, very easy to be overloaded.

I'm also not entirely keen on the number of manual tweaks made to the formations. Why have these been made?

 

[Mike.]

i do resent you using a word like dynamic especially when the game is unpolished, i believe in my eyes that the mods ways of paving over the cracks

Resent it if you want, it is what it is. The AI has been designed to use the TC and shouts much better than before, basedon the attributes given to managers by researchers. Hardly paving over the cracks either since I've probably recorded and passed on more bugs than you realise are in the game. Especially when lots of people are not having the issues you are having, despite the issue in the game. At end the end of the day you are struggling and I am trying to help you. If you are going to belittle the help I am trying to give you, by all means let me know so I can move onto something else. I spend a lot of time trying to get people playing, and frankly starting to get a little tired of people throwing it back in my face.

 

[Fanty111]

1) my expectation was mid table, i finished tenth in my first premier league season 2 points outside a euro cup spot

2) was origianlly wanting to use tactic 3 but changed to the senegalese tactic to frustrate teams and hit on the break which worked for a while then collaped

3) realistically i honesly believe short passing football can be done with them, players like ward-prowse, diego, ive got kaka on the way lorenzetti rochina...these are pretty technical players

yes tactic 3 is open at the flanks but what happens to people who want to play this way? do we have to just disregard and forget about the way WE want to play?

ive never noticed i made a lot of manual tweeks but i think a lot is out of frustration with the game and experimenting to be honest

at least i finished my season now and i can try again and rebuild over the sumer

 

[Fanty111]

Resent it if you want, it is what it is. The AI has been designed to use the TC and shouts much better than before, basedon the attributes given to managers by researchers. Hardly paving over the cracks either since I've probably recorded and passed on more bugs than you realise are in the game. Especially when lots of people are not having the issues you are having, despite the issue in the game. At end the end of the day you are struggling and I am trying to help you. If you are going to belittle the help I am trying to give you, by all means let me know so I can move onto something else. I spend a lot of time trying to get people playing, and frankly starting to get a little tired of people throwing it back in my face.

okay okay thats a fair comment to make, i apologize for my behaviour ITT its not been acceptable what so ever

 

[Scotty98TR]

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obviuously i just screened them quickly so the players have moved out of position

the first is a tactic by a coration fella on here, second isa recreation of senegal in 2002 world cup which did get somne okay results but after a while faded and the third tactic is my recreation of 2002 brazil squad that won me the championship

Finally we're getting somewhere!

But what are your player instructions for your fullbacks/what is actually happening at these goals? Are your players giving the crosser too much space, are your players going in too early higher up the pitch and the crosser is getting past him? etc.

I sort of had this problem for a few matches earlier, but I tweaked my fullbacks closing down and I am not doing terribly at crosses. I just can't get my head around defending corners. Conceded the most in the league at corners :/

 

[Mike.]

okay okay thats a fair comment to make, i apologize for my behaviour ITT its not been acceptable what so ever

Water under the bridge. I know I can be quite direct, but its because people cling to dogmas that wont allow them to get better. That doesn't mean the game is perfect. It's certainly not. And as I said it should be easier to defend wideplay in FM13 than it currently is.

 

[Fanty111]

Finally we're getting somewhere!

But what are your player instructions for your fullbacks/what is actually happening at these goals? Are your players giving the crosser too much space, are your players going in too early higher up the pitch and the crosser is getting past him? etc.

I sort of had this problem for a few matches earlier, but I tweaked my fullbacks closing down and I am not doing terribly at crosses. I just can't get my head around defending corners. Conceded the most in the league at corners :/

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its a mix of everything, if players cross from deep and from closer range and whatever it still goes in, its horrid i was a little bit happy when wellington nem scored against me by dribbling past grant hanley hahahaha

 

[Mike.]

1) my expectation was mid table, i finished tenth in my first premier league season 2 points outside a euro cup spot

2) was origianlly wanting to use tactic 3 but changed to the senegalese tactic to frustrate teams and hit on the break which worked for a while then collaped

3) realistically i honesly believe short passing football can be done with them, players like ward-prowse, diego, ive got kaka on the way lorenzetti rochina...these are pretty technical players

yes tactic 3 is open at the flanks but what happens to people who want to play this way? do we have to just disregard and forget about the way WE want to play?

ive never noticed i made a lot of manual tweeks but i think a lot is out of frustration with the game and experimenting to be honest

at least i finished my season now and i can try again and rebuild over the sumer

Manual tweaks break shouts. So you want to go with one or the other. I would always say shouts. Make as few manual tweaks as possible.

I agree, you could get some short passing football here. have a look at this post: http://www.fm-base.co.uk/forum/foot...aining/110163-kris-swan-song.html#post1650726

RE tactic 3: much like real life, that tactic is immensely powerful through the middle, but undermanned down the flanks, requiring immensely good full backs for that level. They would have to accept that trade off. They could play that way but they woud have to understand the pros and cons of it.

 

[Scotty98TR]

Resent it if you want, it is what it is. The AI has been designed to use the TC and shouts much better than before, basedon the attributes given to managers by researchers. Hardly paving over the cracks either since I've probably recorded and passed on more bugs than you realise are in the game. Especially when lots of people are not having the issues you are having, despite the issue in the game. At end the end of the day you are struggling and I am trying to help you. If you are going to belittle the help I am trying to give you, by all means let me know so I can move onto something else. I spend a lot of time trying to get people playing, and frankly starting to get a little tired of people throwing it back in my face.

What's the TC? (Sorry for being thick LOL )

 

[Mike.]

What's the TC? (Sorry for being thick LOL )

Tactics creator

 

[Fanty111]

Manual tweaks break shouts. So you want to go with one or the other. I would always say shouts. Make as few manual tweaks as possible.

I agree, you could get some short passing football here. have a look at this post: http://www.fm-base.co.uk/forum/foot...aining/110163-kris-swan-song.html#post1650726

RE tactic 3: much like real life, that tactic is immensely powerful through the middle, but undermanned down the flanks, requiring immensely good full backs for that level. They would have to accept that trade off. They could play that way but they woud have to understand the pros and cons of it.

ahhh now i didnt know that tweaks break shouts thats useful to know

that thread you linked is genius, its a bit like when i sign players from abroad based on the player stats int he league, hence why i got addison and malanda

the brazil tactic will be removed and saved for a game in the not too distant future

 

[Scotty98TR]

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its a mix of everything, if players cross from deep and from closer range and whatever it still goes in, its horrid i was a little bit happy when wellington nem scored against me by dribbling past grant hanley hahahaha

Telling your fullbacks to run from deep less, and not to run with the ball as much will help prevent teams getting tons of space on the counter. Also, on the 2nd and 3rd tactics, you have no cover apart from the fullbacks down the flank, and the fullback is not being told to close the winger down too much (I'd suggest putting the closing down up a tiny bit and tick the tight-marking box )

Having the players set to wing-backs will not help either. Why not set them to full-backs with an attack duty?

 

[Mike.]

ahhh now i didnt know that tweaks break shouts thats useful to know

that thread you linked is genius, its a bit like when i sign players from abroad based on the player stats int he league, hence why i got addison and malanda

the brazil tactic will be removed and saved for a game in the not too distant future

Yes Manual tweaks override shout instructions. But shouts are much more useful, since you can make much quicker in game adaptations.

It's a fantastic thread that, and its from someone who was initially struggling and hating the game too. FM13 just requires that bit more thought. It also requires a proper guide (but thats another story). But you will be surprised what you can do if you dont let the frustration get to you. But when you find it clicks it's immensely satisfying. I apologise if I was too direct, but the biggest killer of anyone's FM enjoyment is misinformation, so I just feel its important to set things straight, at the end of the day, win lose or draw we all want to enjoy it.

 

[Fanty111]

i had a brain wave, if i used the comparisons screen and did averages on the 'all position' 'defence' 'midfield' & 'attack' and then on the averages from each section i would somehow get wherei should be aiming for in the league

the figure stands at 14.75 so basically i want to finish 15th

it turns out we are useless at the stats needed for short passing football so im going to use a 4-3-2-1 (wide) balanced and counter


thoughts guys?

 

[Scotty98TR]

i had a brain wave, if i used the comparisons screen and did averages on the 'all position' 'defence' 'midfield' & 'attack' and then on the averages from each section i would somehow get wherei should be aiming for in the league

the figure stands at 14.75 so basically i want to finish 15th

it turns out we are useless at the stats needed for short passing football so im going to use a 4-3-2-1 (wide) balanced and counter


thoughts guys?

Don't forget that the team comparison takes into account all your players, not just your starting XI. So if you had Iniesta, Xavi and Ozil, but had Stoke players on your bench and just lingering around your first team without ever playing, the comparison would still suggest you can't play passing football...

But I use the counter strategy alot. It is less defensive than people think, and it is basically what Mourinho got his Chelsea and Madrid teams to do