Rosler71

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Greetings all,

Before we get started, i now play the Classic version of the game.

I am only interested in Tactics, Scouting/Recruitment and Matches. The Full Fat version of the game is so bloated with press-conferences, media interaction and utter non-sense it has become a chore to play for me.

How does this impact testing?

Very little, in fact i believe Classic is the perfect testing ground for tactics as match days are a 'neutral' environment with less factors influencing results outside of the tactic itself.

Results by players using the tactic in the Full Fat version of the game are consistent with mine.

Ok,

Post 15.3 my Apex Predator 15.2 tactic took a bit of hit, adding retain possession recovered some of the magic but it was not as dominant as before.

I tried a few different formations but couldn't get 'that feeling' i get when i know i've nailed it. Winning and dominating at home is one thing but doing so away against the big boys would be the marker of an excellent tactic.

I didn't think there was much wrong with the attacking play of AP, the Wide Midfielders cutting inside, supported by 2 central midfielders and 2 strikers seemed to be the best attacking set up i could get this year with the seeming demise of the Inside Forward and 1 Striker Tactics.

There were a few things bugging me though and i set about changing them.

The deep striker role, I originally opted for the Complete Forward support role as I wanted the most advanced of the Support Strikers as i figured there will be a lot of players already operating behind the Advanced Forward and i didn't want my Support Striker too deep getting in the way.

The fact that Complete Forwards are hard to find (impossible in lower leagues) grated and I noticed runners from the Central Midfield strata could be quite slow to get into advanced positions so there was loads of space for a deeper Striker to flourish, so i've gone with a Deep Lying Forward. As well as assisting a lot those later runs from a bit deeper are deadly and mine have been bagging loads of goals.

The Central Midfield pair, previously we had 2 Ball Winning Midfielders one support, one defend. They worked really well under 15.2 but under 15.3 they were all over the place closing people down leaving a great big hole in front of my back 4.

Decided to re-think this, i wanted 1 deeper holding position, closing down less. His role defensively is to 'stall counter' attacks allowing our team time to get into position. He does this by obstructing opposing players causing them to pass backwards or sideways rather than rashly going for a death or glory tackle! We could utilize the Deep Lying Playmaker role with more direct passing for him to dictate play and launch some counter attacks which are now very potent.

The 2nd role was a no brainer, Box to Box midfielder hammering up and down the right channel, supporting attacks yet able to get back and put in a defensive shift. The DLP stalls 'em, the Box to Box gets into 'em with some big tackles.

Outside of the player roles, i wanted the team to keep its shape better. I dropped the team pressing ethic a little which gives me control over who presses, where and when. Some players still press hard, other retain shape and hold position.

I also changed to structured to ensure we keep our shape in more situations and are less 'gung ho'.


Another major change is upping the Tempo to HIGH, this also increases the passing range and makes us a little more direct.

The upshot of this is were are winning the ball a bit deeper, with our opponent more committed to attack and out of position.....which means........ THE COUNTER ATTACK IS FIRMLY ON!


Someone smarter than me said football matches are won and lost in the transition phase, when the ball 'turns over'. So the idea behind improving the tactic was to be in better shape to defend when we lose the ball and be set up for deadly counter attacks when we win it.


My results seem to suggest its working.


CRYSTAL PALACE - SEASON 1 - ORIGINAL SQUAD


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Media prediction was last. 90 goals with that team is exceptional. Dwight Gale was leading Premier League scorer with 31 goals. +31 goal difference is significant for the weakest team in the division.


43 points at home, 23 points away. With the home bias in the match engine, happy with 23 points away with Palace.


Lost in Semi's of League Cup on Penalties to Arsenal. Lost in FINAL of FA Cup to West Brom (was shafted)


MAN CITY - SEASON 1 - ORIGINAL SQUAD


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Media prediction 2nd. Walked the league by 21 points. 131 goals is nearly an average of 3.5 per game. 40 more goals than the next highest scoring team. No one can live with that. Defence was ok, i actually made a couple of tweaks before the Palace test which tightens things up. If i ran the City test again i'd expect a better defensive record.


THE SQUADS


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Goals galore.




THE TACTIC

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DOWNLOAD


https://www.mediafire.com/?5555t6fcueg975z


NO OI'S
TRAINING DOESN'T MATTER
PITCH SIZE DOESN'T MATTER




**** PS - CORNERS - Set your FULL BACKS to take them (Attributes don't matter for this routine ;)) ****
 
Thought I would breakdown the player roles into ‘units’ as the individual roles need to complement each other to get the best out of the tactic.


The Attacking Unit.


By this I mean both Strikers and the Wide Midfielders.


This is our core attacking ‘Quartet’ although obviously the Central Midfielders get involved as well as the Full Backs but these 4 will assist and score the bulk of the goals.


I think the Key Player in all this is the Deep Lying Forward. Outside of Counter Attacks, everything goes through him. When he’s on the ball the Wide Midfielders will normally be well in advance of him up with your Advanced Forward, he does in fact play really deep a lot of the time, once he’s delivered what he considers to be a ‘key’ pass he’ll bomb forward and see if he can get on the end of a return pass.


So essentially I view our attacking Quartet as 3 ‘Runners’(ML,MR,AVF) and 1 ‘Passer’ (DLF). Things are obviously never as clear cut as that but when thinking about what type of players would work best that’s the base from which I start.


Key attributes;


Midfield Right/Midfield Left: With the right players you’ll see some immense mazy runs cutting inside from the flanks, especially when countering, its great to watch. A big part of the success with Palace comes from them having 2 great wide players in Bolasie & Zaha ready made for this tactic. Quick, agile and can run with the ball at their feet.


I’d look for;


Acceleration
Dribbling
Balance
Finishing (if possible)





Deep Lying Forward: A technical, static passer here is fine. So if you have an old boy who can’t run anymore but is a good passer and very creative that’s will work out well. However, if you can throw someone in here who has all of these skills AND is highly mobile he will add more goals to his return. In the City save I was dying to play Aguero as the Advanced Forward but resisted as I knew I could use a fairly blunt instrument here (Bony) and get more out of Aguero playing in the deeper role. He scored at a rate of more than a goal a game from deep and racked up the assists as well.


I’d look for;


Passing
Vision
Flair
Technique



(Upgrade to someone who is mobile as soon as you can, if your gonna blow your budget on 1 man, make it your DLF!)




Advanced Forward: Completing our ‘Triangle of Pace’ is our Advanced Forward. We have very straight forward requirements. Quick, Agile, Composed and can Finish. Anything else is gravy. Dwight Gale was the Premier League’s top scorer in my Palace save with 31 League Goals. He is pants. But he is quick.


Look for;


Acceleration
Dribbling
Finishing
Composure



Once you throw in some other good stuff, flair, vision, creativity, passing etc he’ll rack up a lot of assists and you goalscoring will pick up.




So we have destructive pace cutting in from wide, our AVF poised to run in behind and a creative force pulling the strings behind. Sounds like a plan ;-0




The ‘Engine’, our Dynamic Duo in midfield.


Clearly we have 4 in midfield but due to the behaviour of the MR/ML it made sense to include them in the Attacking section.


Duties aside, I consider these 2 our support troops. They do get involved in initiating and supporting attacks, the DLP doing much of the initiating attacks from deep, the Box to Box working in tandem with the DLF feeding our front 3.


In defence only 2 in central midfield is concerning but we play narrow, the MR/ML tuck in and are set to close down. They do a lot of good defensive work helping our guys out.


The DLP closes down less, holds position whereas the B2B along with the MR/ML deny time and space.


Attributes;


We want our DLP to be primarily defence focussed with the caveat of being good on the ball and a great passer, he has increased passing range and with 2 strikers up field a direct pass is sometimes on.


I’d look for;


Passing
Positioning
Concentration
Tackling/Marking



Vision would be very nice……




I think we need to be demanding of our Box to Box guy as behind the DLP I’d say he’s our 2nd most influential player.


He needs to hit stringent Physical/Mental requirements just to function, then when you layer on some technically ability he really starts to contribute everywhere. I played Fernandinho here for City and he contributed 13 goals and 23 assists, the most assists in the team! Gave Jedinak the role at Palace and although he banged in 15 goals (was on penalty duty) he contributed only 3 assists but winning 8 tackles a game he’s an example of someone doing the physical side of the role well but lacking the creative spark.


Entry level attributes


Work Rate
Stamina
Determination



I’d aim for 15+ in these, even lower down the leagues you can aim high with physical & mental attributes.


2nd Tier attributes – when players can start running games.


Passing
Technique
Vision





In a way, both our midfield guys need to do be a bit Jekyll & Hide, proficient in the dark defensive arts yet providing a spark of creativity in the centre of the pitch which enables the tactic to blossom.




DEFENSIVE UNIT


With our Attack & Midfield sorting out our goal scoring we are in the luxurious position of being able to commit 5 players (inc GK) almost exclusively to defence. None of your attacking Wingbacks needed here. During sustained attacks the back 4 pretty much provide easy backwards out balls enabling possession to be re-cycled comfortably. The FB's occasionally push on but more often than not they will make a run into space pick a pass or a cross before heading back into defensive position.


This opens up a few possibilities which i have not yet been able to explore over 1 season 'tests', but you could go with a very 'big' back four choosing Full Backs who are dominant in the air or really focus in on strong mental attributes Determination, Leadership etc or just monster tackling Full Backs.


Without the need for high attacking, technical attributes required by 'modern' full backs we can go old school.


Example Full Back 'builds'


RATTER


Aggression
Work Rate
Determination
Tackling




BEAST


Jumping Reach
Strength
Tackling
Marking




KAISER

Leadership
Determination
Positioning
Marking




NOBLE


Positioning
Team Work
Concentration
Work Rate




The Centre Backs are much simpler, make sure 1 is quick and use him in the left, cover position.


Jumping Reach
Tackling
Marking
Positioning






And finally the Goal Keeper.


I look for Aerial Ability, Reflexes, Handling, One on One's.




Just a few of my ideas of course. :thup:
 
great OP... cannot wait for "what trainning to use" "what to do when i get red card" and more of classic questions hehe,
anyway tactic is very good, i think just the same about full fat mode so im using FM Clasic as well and its working for home games, but for away i using counter 442(artisian).
 
great OP... cannot wait for "what trainning to use" "what to do when i get red card" and more of classic questions hehe,
anyway tactic is very good, i think just the same about full fat mode so im using FM Clasic as well and its working for home games, but for away i using counter 442(artisian).

Gotta love fm base!
 
It was a joke m8:)

Ive been using this tac for a While now with swansea
works really well
Balanced and def pos
thumbs up MR rosler!
 
great OP... cannot wait for "what trainning to use" "what to do when i get red card" and more of classic questions hehe,
anyway tactic is very good, i think just the same about full fat mode so im using FM Clasic as well and its working for home games, but for away i using counter 442(artisian).

i had the same idea about home and away matches, cause the roles seem to need similar players. Is it working for you?
 
Good first match, with lots of great structured attacking football and Deeplying Forward is involved in almost everthing, Great to see!View attachment 798618

and one more question, I have Dzeko, Milik and Mandzukic, They all are long and have good heading, should i add "Float Crosses" to utilise their heading ability?

Will update you about progess of this tactic later, if you want.
 
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You could add float crosses. Never tried it myself but guess with those players it cant hurt.
 
Going to use this with west ham, seems like it could be good, sakho and valencia up front, downing left wing amilfinatno (spelling?) right wing, song and noble cm. i shall keep you updated
 
Rosler71, thanks for the upload. How did you perform in CL in your Man City test? Would love to see some screenshots.
 
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