August Fifa rankings announced

[pistolped7]

Well, if so, then how have France plumetted after a poor WC and poor start to qualification while England have almost stayed put?

 

[Mike.]

Well, if so, then how have France plumetted after a poor WC and poor start to qualification while England have almost stayed put?

again mathematics, if you go to uefa and download the pdf and read it you will understand.you may not like the criteria they use, but there is no debating the maths behind it, put in the results and thats what you get.

 

[pistolped7]

Well, if that's how the rankings work, then I strongly disagree with it. Fair enough, it may be very complicated. But Italy also had a disastrous WC, finishing last in the group, the same as France, but remain much higher than France.

 

[Chaz Sexington]

there is a simple equation that they use to calcutlate the rankings, its on the uefa website. its not done by whim, or subjectively. its done on pure mathematics

You see, this is where i'm struggling with Norway's ranking. We've got our good ol' manager back (as a caretaker) who beat England, Brazil, drew to Holland, beat Spain, Germany (friendly in Germany) and now Portugal. But most of this is ancient news, and even though we've not lost at home since he took the reins (Norway's never lost at home with him managing afaik), but how did a win over a weak Portugal catapult us all the way up there? We've not played well for years, and our most notable wins of late has been against a 10 man Scotland at home (4-0) and a friendly win over Germany (don't even think they count).

 

[pistolped7]

You see, this is where i'm struggling with Norway's ranking. We've got our good ol' manager back (as a caretaker) who beat England, Brazil, drew to Holland, beat Spain, Germany (friendly in Germany) and now Portugal. But most of this is ancient news, and even though we've not lost at home since he took the reins (Norway's never lost at home with him managing afaik), but how did a win over a weak Portugal catapult us all the way up there? We've not played well for years, and our most notable wins of late has been against a 10 man Scotland at home (4-0) and a friendly win over Germany (don't even think they count).

Thanks, brought back some great memories.

 

[Mike.]

You see, this is where i'm struggling with Norway's ranking. We've got our good ol' manager back (as a caretaker) who beat England, Brazil, drew to Holland, beat Spain, Germany (friendly in Germany) and now Portugal. But most of this is ancient news, and even though we've not lost at home since he took the reins (Norway's never lost at home with him managing afaik), but how did a win over a weak Portugal catapult us all the way up there? We've not played well for years, and our most notable wins of late has been against a 10 man Scotland at home (4-0) and a friendly win over Germany (don't even think they count).

its the way the points system works. honestly i was so baffled when england stayed 7th i had to go find out, worth heading to uefa to give it a good read, theres 2 pdfs i think

 

[pistolped7]

I've never paid much attention to the rankings before, but decided to have a look and I couldn't understand some of them. Will give them a look.

 

[Kris]

Uraguays players are no way near the quality of Englands players, if anything they just had a lucky wcup.

That's the kind of arrogance that leads you to disapointment at every major competition.

Compare each player with Uruguays, Mexico's and USA's.

I would want none in the England starting 11 par Forlan.

I also remember the English media saying the exact same about the German national side before the Australia game, ot oh!

uruguay are above england because they play easier teams in there qualifiers same for EGYPT 9TH

Yeah because your trips to Macedonia and the likes are terrible compared to Uraguay who have to play teams around there own level every game or above there level.

You're saying it as if Uruguay wasn't expected to qualify?

They were outsiders to be honest, most expected them to make the play off place at best.


On Topic

FIFA rankings should never be taken seriously, we were 12th not three years ago and like 70th a few years before that.

 

[Alcaraz]

Carlos Vela will become a fantastic player, Gio dos Santos still has his moments, Landon Donovan is far better than, say, Emile Heskey, Darren Bent and Bobby Zamora, Tim Howard could put Joe Hart out of the team, Rafael Marquez is still outstanding for Barca and Mexico, and could put Terry out the team, Luis Suarez is in far better shape than Rooney is now and Guillermo Ochoa could also put Joe Hart out of the team.

1.I agree that Landon Donovan is better than Heskey,Zamora and Bent but these players are hardly first teamers fo England.Heskey well he is good at what he has to do

2.Tim Howard can put Joe Hart out off the team...I dont think so

3.Marquez is better than Terry,this is not even debate-worthy

4.Suarez is better than Rooney?...on what basis can u say that,I would like to see Suarez score 30 goals in the EPL and score against Arsenal when he is 16


On Topic:Well its good to see us so high but I dount FIFA Rankins can be taken seriously as Jake said

 

[Nixon]

seriously, when you get to a major competition, then you can start judging us.

I hate it when people say that. Just because Scotland can't qualify doesn't stop us from having an opinion on English football. It's not our fault we were born in a smaller, less populated nation that the majority of this forum. If anything, England should out perform Scotland by more, having around 10 times the population. And it certainly doesn't mean that our birthplace dictates whether we can rate English football. I'm sure you have an opinion on Spanish football or Barcelona, despite them being better than the teams you support.

No it isn't? I'm just explaining to you how Englands XI is better then USA, Uruguay and Mexico's.

The rankings couldn't care less who plays for each country. You can't just say England are better than Uruguay and deserve to be ranked higher because you believe their players are better. It doesn't work that way.

I think too much is read into rankings. It's too difficult to define the correct period of results to work out a ranking - so much can change in a year. England's ranking stays high due to their excellent qualification record, and Egypt are high up due to the lack of high quality teams in Africa. I can understand the mathematics behind it, but it's a scenario when pure maths can't quite see the big picture. Rankings and formulae will only give an estimate, which is all the FIFA Rankings can claim to be.

 

[pistolped7]

1.I agree that Landon Donovan is better than Heskey,Zamora and Bent but these players are hardly first teamers fo England.Heskey well he is good at what he has to do

2.Tim Howard can put Joe Hart out off the team...I dont think so

3.Marquez is better than Terry,this is not even debate-worthy

4.Suarez is better than Rooney?...on what basis can u say that,I would like to see Suarez score 30 goals in the EPL and score against Arsenal when he is 16


On Topic:Well its good to see us so high but I dount FIFA Rankins can be taken seriously as Jake said

I think Howard is a top-class keeper, who has much more experience than Hart, when was the last time you saw Howard make a massive mistake? He is also consistent, and has gotten better with age.

Terry is vastly over-rated, he is nowhere near as good as people make him out to be. Marquez is a fantastic defender and is just as good as Terry, IMO.

Suarez is an incredible player, Rooney had a horrible WC while Suarez thrived, he did very well last year. He would wipe the floor with most EPL defences. And Rooney's goal vs Arsenal was a complete fluke.

And I agree with Kris, we won twice against France and suddenly we the 13th best side in the world. It doesn't make sense IMHO. And I hate the arrogance of English people, not all of them of course, but those who are so stuck-up that they think they are superior to all other British nations. It's horrible, and Nixon could not be more right.

 

[Kevnaylor]

i think ireland should be much higher

 

[Mike.]

I think Howard is a top-class keeper, who has much more experience than Hart, when was the last time you saw Howard make a massive mistake? He is also consistent, and has gotten better with age.

Terry is vastly over-rated, he is nowhere near as good as people make him out to be. Marquez is a fantastic defender and is just as good as Terry, IMO.

Suarez is an incredible player, Rooney had a horrible WC while Suarez thrived, he did very well last year. He would wipe the floor with most EPL defences. And Rooney's goal vs Arsenal was a complete fluke.

And I agree with Kris, we won twice against France and suddenly we the 13th best side in the world. It doesn't make sense IMHO. And I hate the arrogance of English people, not all of them of course, but those who are so stuck-up that they think they are superior to all other British nations. It's horrible, and Nixon could not be more right.

what has any of that got to do with the rankings, not to mention its all subjective opinion? stay on topic

 

[pistolped7]

I was on topic.

 

[Mike.]

I was on topic.

comparing players is nothing to do with ranking

 

[pistolped7]

Neither were most of the other posts, yet you've only told me to stay on topic.

 

[Mike.]

its a general stay on topic, if the next person is off topic they'll get an infraction

 

[Kevnaylor]

gabon and paraguay should not be higher then ireland

 

[Scott]

The Rankings arent done on indivual matches. or By 3 men sitting round a table ranking sides, As Madsheep has said they are done by a mathematical formula, sone by who you play, home or away. and the result, and all in all, england had a good qualifying start, so went up in the ranking, no real suprise there.

 

[Ronan]

I don't feel any of the teams below us are better then us? So I don't see the problem with us being 6th.

You blates forgot Rep. Of Ireland. ^^)