Capitalism vs Socialism

[Joel`]

I prefer the ideology of socialism, but whichever system is in place doesn't really matter when it's almost always at the behest of corrupt individuals and groups working the system to their goals.

Oh you and your conspiracies. XD

 

[Raphael.]

Another thing with socialism too is do you deserve the money you are getting?
You can kinda use Britain as an example due to the welfare system we have in place.
People on benefits are getting money from people who have worked hard for it but have then had some of it taken from them due to taxes.
So if your in a socialist country and you person a) who works hard and person b) who doesn't work hard and these people get the same amount of money and what not thats kinda not fair.
No I am not sure how it would exatcly work but from my knowledge it's a little suttin like that (or I am completer R-Tard who has been talking a lot of nonsense)

 

[Zidave]

I believe in a welfare system for health, education etc for those less fortunate or experiencing difficulties.
What I can't abide are these unemployed cider swigging chavs on Jeremy Kyle who have made a lifestyle choice to live on benefits and line Mike Ashley's pockets by spending my tax dollars on reebok classics & Lonsdale sweats.

 

[rbg]

My opinion is you a Tory *****. Privatise the NHS more? You serious, spend six months in the USA and you'd realise pure capitalism doesn't work.

You OP is pathetic, socialism and capitalism are black and white, real life is grey.

Also if you think more "socialist" countries are all failures then look at Denmark.

Tory cu*t.

 

[Zidave]

My opinion is you a Tory *****. Privatise the NHS more? You serious, spend six months in the USA and you'd realise pure capitalism doesn't work.

You OP is pathetic, socialism and capitalism are black and white, real life is grey.

Also if you think more "socialist" countries are all failures then look at Denmark.

Tory cu*t.

Jesus calm down.
There are parts of the NHS that are already privatized and a mix could increase efficiency.
Denmark has higher taxes and a greater distribution through social services than most but is certainly not socialist.

 

[CaptainCrazy]

I believe in a welfare system for health, education etc for those less fortunate or experiencing difficulties.
What I can't abide are these unemployed cider swigging chavs on Jeremy Kyle who have made a lifestyle choice to live on benefits and line Mike Ashley's pockets by spending my tax dollars on reebok classics & Lonsdale sweats.

This is of course a problem in every welfare system. But if you can't isolate these individuals and prove that it's just a decision and whatever, I don't believe in throwing the welfare system out the window.

If I'm left with a choice of having a welfare system with the risk of having free loaders, or trashing the welfare system, leaving those who really need it without help, I choose the first one.

 

[Lloyd is Fat]

South Africa and Botswana have to be the two best examples of it's success in Africa.

South Africa is only well off because the white people control all the GOOD businesses. That means they are backed by the west.

Botswana is ****** due to AIDS.

 

[Raphael.]

My opinion is you a Tory *****. Privatise the NHS more? You serious, spend six months in the USA and you'd realise pure capitalism doesn't work.

You OP is pathetic, socialism and capitalism are black and white, real life is grey.

Also if you think more "socialist" countries are all failures then look at Denmark.

Tory cu*t.

No need to be so abusive over someone's opinion....
We have a democracy here so that people can voice their opinions on how the government is run.

 

[rbg]

Jesus calm down.
There are parts of the NHS that are already privatized and a mix could increase efficiency.
Denmark has higher taxes and a greater distribution through social services than most but is certainly not socialist.

Denmark is a social democracy which in effect is a mixture if socialism and capitalism, although more on the socialist side than say UK or USA.

Your right about partial privatization of the NHS, which I believe was a huge mistake on the part of the last Govt.

 

[Mike.]

My opinion is you a Tory *****. Privatise the NHS more? You serious, spend six months in the USA and you'd realise pure capitalism doesn't work.

You OP is pathetic, socialism and capitalism are black and white, real life is grey.

Also if you think more "socialist" countries are all failures then look at Denmark.

Tory cu*t.

next one gets you a 3 day ban. grow up

 

[rbg]

No need to be so abusive over someone's opinion....
We have a democracy here so that people can voice their opinions on how the government is run.

You are right, I should not have called him a Tory ***** & ****. I apologise for expressing these opinions.

 

[CaptainCrazy]

No need to be so abusive over someone's opinion....
We have a democracy here so that people can voice their opinions on how the government is run.

Yeah they can voice their opinions as long as it doesn't hurt anyone or makes them sad. The freedom of speech is kind of pathetic nowadays.
Just look at something like wikileaks and how much controversy it stirs up. People getting brought in front of a judge for showing the truth, it's disgusting.

The most countries we live in are considered democracies right? In my mind, the meaning of that word is that the country is ruled by the people who live in it. How the **** does that make sense when the government can hide the truth from us whenever they want.
It's as said before, with the corrupt leadership in (I guess all really) many countries, there's no such thing as criticizing the government, if you say something they don't want you to say, they can quiet you down.
Gotta love it.

 

[Athe~]

Well I don't think they record levels of youth unemployed who are demonstrating to overthrow autocratic dictators with £10m houses in London would agree.

I don't agree with the autocratic dicators with 10m houses in London. That's not socialism, that's corruption, and it happens everywhere in the world.

I prefer the ideology of socialism, but whichever system is in place doesn't really matter when it's almost always at the behest of corrupt individuals and groups working the system to their goals.

Agreed.

Well it kinda does... as in theory with communism money is distributed equally.... (this most of the times is really not the case as a lot of current communist countries are quite corrupt) so if the place is poor everyone is poor..... where as it the place happened to be rich.... then the people would have decent amounts of money.

In a communist world, you wouldn't have to worry about having more or less money.

My opinion is you a Tory *****. Privatise the NHS more? You serious, spend six months in the USA and you'd realise pure capitalism doesn't work.

You OP is pathetic, socialism and capitalism are black and white, real life is grey.

Also if you think more "socialist" countries are all failures then look at Denmark.

Tory cu*t.

Wow mate, chill, that's no way of proving a point, that's a way of getting banned. I agree with you in some stuff (Stuff that doesn't include swearing, for instance ) but I don't think you should react like this.

 

[Zidave]

Denmark is a social democracy which in effect is a mixture if socialism and capitalism, although more on the socialist side than say UK or USA.

Your right about partial privatization of the NHS, which I believe was a huge mistake on the part of the last Govt.

Probably more liberal than socialist but agree far more than UK or USA.
Their population is far happier than either of those so they are obviously doing something right unlike the reckless spending of a Brown or the equally reckless slashing of budgets and services of a Cameron/Clegg...

 

[Joel`]

My opinion is you a Tory *****. Privatise the NHS more? You serious, spend six months in the USA and you'd realise pure capitalism doesn't work.

You OP is pathetic, socialism and capitalism are black and white, real life is grey.

Also if you think more "socialist" countries are all failures then look at Denmark.

Tory cu*t.

I'm from the North, so according to stereotype's, I should be anti-tory. Go to Germany and see how a privatised Health System works. They have SHORTER queue times, BETTER health care, and EVERYONE can afford it through tax breaks for the poor. Public systems are far less efficient, they are given money and have no objective or incentive to use it effectively. Privatisation you need to make a profit and thus make your services more efficient. Get off your patriotic high horse, there are a ton of country's that are better than our oh so great NHS.

How is my OP pathetic. I was giving my opinion and starting the debate, not going to waste my time explaining the fundamental differences between the two ideals, because if you don't know what socialism and capitalism are, you probably aren't going to contribute to the debate.

Why don't you try reasoning your opinion instead of just insulting me? And Denmark isn't socialist, about as much as we are.

 

[Mike.]

Yeah they can voice their opinions as long as it doesn't hurt anyone or makes them sad. The freedom of speech is kind of pathetic nowadays.
Just look at something like wikileaks and how much controversy it stirs up. People getting brought in front of a judge for showing the truth, it's disgusting.

The most countries we live in are considered democracies right? In my mind, the meaning of that word is that the country is ruled by the people who live in it. How the **** does that make sense when the government can hide the truth from us whenever they want.
It's as said before, with the corrupt leadership in (I guess all really) many countries, there's no such thing as criticizing the government, if you say something they don't want you to say, they can quiet you down.
Gotta love it.

freedom of speech has always enshrined that, right from the very beginning. freedom of speech has never meant you say absolutely anything. This is a very common misconception. Nor does freedom of speech apply to what wikileaks has done in any way, shape or form

 

[Raphael.]

Denmark is a social democracy which in effect is a mixture if socialism and capitalism, although more on the socialist side than say UK or USA.

Your right about partial privatization of the NHS, which I believe was a huge mistake on the part of the last Govt.

Most 'capitalist' countries are a mixture of capitalism and socialism..... but mainly socialism.

EDIT: MAINLY CAPTALISM

 

[CaptainCrazy]

freedom of speech has always enshrined that, right from the very beginning. freedom of speech has never meant you say absolutely anything. This is a very common misconception. Nor does freedom of speech apply to what wikileaks has done in any way, shape or form

Then what is freedom of speech if it does not give you the freedom to speak?

 

[Mike.]

Then what is freedom of speech if it does not give you the freedom to speak?

freedom of speech, like any other freedom is not, has never been, and never will be absolute in practice. they are all limited by each other and the laws that govern us.

 

[Raphael.]

freedom of speech, like any other freedom is not, has never been, and never will be absolute in practice. they are all limited by each other and the laws that govern us.

Agreed kinda like this site if you think about it.

You are free to voice your opinion but it is moderating to make sure you are not abusive or what not.