Clear cut chances

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I Don't care what people say, but in this game strikers with very high finishing and composure miss incredble 1 on 1s, no way that happens in RL this much.


Not to mention players with less then 10 in long shots hitting absolutely stunning 40 yard long shots and players with over 17 in long shots never hitting the target.
 
JosephLittle said:
I Don't care what people say, but in this game strikers with very high finishing and composure miss incredble 1 on 1s, no way that happens in RL this much.


Not to mention players with less then 10 in long shots hitting absolutely stunning 40 yard long shots and players with over 17 in long shots never hitting the target.
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Lost track of how many times I have said this.

There is no real life statistic for clear cut chance, the stats you see in game are the games way of documenting chances, but its not necesarily a sitter or even a 1 v 1.

As for the 3d match engine, thats only a graphical representation of what the game is processing at that time, and it's far from perfect. Just because it appears a striker is totally clean through, it doesnt mean he is, and he could be put off the shot due a number of variables: He could be off balance, under pressure from a defender, on his weaker foot etc etc. The 3d match engine doesnt always show this because its just a graphical REPRESENTATION of the processes going on in the background. Until the 2d and 3d match engines were introduced, there were never any complaints about missing 1v1 and CCC.

Then there are player stats to consider. Firstly the hidden stats only visible in the editor play a significant role. And high finishing and composure aren't the only stats to consider either. A player needs to have high technique, decisions, balance, concentration, and determination as well.
 
Where did I say Clear Cut Chances? I'm referring to 1 on 1 chances(similar, but I'm not looking at the match stats), particulary when an attacker has acres of space after receiving a long through ball over a high defensive line and only has the goalkeeper to beat and still finds a way to miss.

Sure that happens in RL, but I watch enough football to know that GOOD strikers very rarely miss those kind of chances, yet they very frequently do it ingame. Instead of scoring goals like this, it's more often to see defenders with 4 in long shots scoring incredible long distance goals.
 
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What are clear cut chances?

And yes my players do miss a lot of 1v1 like valencia dribbled the keeper hes on the right side instead of shooting it in the goal for first time he runs more near the post and then shoots it in the nettings.

And whenever my strikers are one one they shoot straight ,while ai lobs and scored each time ;/
 
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JosephLittle said:
Where did I say Clear Cut Chances? I'm referring to 1 on 1 chances(similar, but I'm not looking at the match stats), particulary when an attacker has acres of space after receiving a long through ball over a high defensive line and only has the goalkeeper to beat and still finds a way to miss.

Sure that happens in RL, but I watch enough football to know that GOOD strikers very rarely miss those kind of chances, yet they very frequently do it ingame. Instead of scoring goals like this, it's more often to see defenders with 4 in long shots scoring incredible long distance goals.
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This:

Jake said:
As for the 3d match engine, thats only a graphical representation of what the game is processing at that time, and it's far from perfect. Just because it appears a striker is totally clean through, it doesnt mean he is, and he could be put off the shot due a number of variables: He could be off balance, under pressure from a defender, on his weaker foot etc etc. The 3d match engine doesnt always show this because its just a graphical REPRESENTATION of the processes going on in the background. Until the 2d and 3d match engines were introduced, there were never any complaints about missing 1v1 and CCC.

Then there are player stats to consider. Firstly the hidden stats only visible in the editor play a significant role. And high finishing and composure aren't the only stats to consider either. A player needs to have high technique, decisions, balance, concentration, and determination as well.
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applies to the 1v1 point you are making.

People need to understand that the 3d match engine isn't necessarily showing the full picture of whats going on due to its limitations.

And i concede maybe 4-5 long shots a season, maybe it's your tactics inviting players to shoot?
 
Shahzal said:
What are clear cut chances?

And yes my players do miss a lot of 1v1 like valencia dribbled the keeper hes on the right side instead of shooting it in the goal for first time he runs more near the post and then shoots it in the nettings.

And whenever my strikers are one one they shoot straight ,will ai lobs and scored each time ;/
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Probably your striker don't have the lob keepr or go round keep PPM. Tell them to learn and lop the keeper or go round the keeper when one on ones.
 
Of course players miss one on ones in real life. But it's something very annoying in this game: they just miss TOO much, and that goes to any player in any club YOU manage, because the Al team always score from one on ones. Fernando Torres hardly ever misses one on one chances in real life, however he doesn't seem able to convert 1 out of 20 in Football Manager. It DEFINITELY has to be sorted out. Also, I have players with 16/17 long shot ability and they never ever hit the target, while the Al team always score some unbelievable goals with random players who usually have very low attributes.
 
Try Fábio Coentrão. That dude as inside forward, winger or advanced playmaker will score a lot in 1 on 1 chances. He does score better then Cardozo on those situations..
 
I get this plenty of times, I am Man City and I was playing Blackburn at home, they had their 2 CB's sent off early and had 23 shots on goal, 4 on target and 1 of them was a goal.. Every other shot was smashed over the bar!
 
I just think my computer hates me... some times i can have 18 shots on target 5-6 Clear cut chances and get 1 goal, meanwhile the other team will have one shot on target and of course they score... and the opposition keeper who has conceded tons of goals all season all of a sudden pulls out a man of the match performance.... annoying but kindda realistic... remember that Arsenal game in the CL a few years ago against some russian team, pires couldnt score in a brothel.

i vote for keeping it as it is
 
Heh, feel my pain. Agbonlahor as the main striker: many CCCs, many misses.
 
Tbh, many people overlook the composure attribute on a striker, but I think it is arguably the most important one. If your striker is 1 on 1 but has a really crappy composure attribute of 8 or something, 9/10 times he will miss
 
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we've been debating the CCC issue over at si, this post sums it up for me:

For me, the problem is what defines a CCC, and as its a computer it has to have specific boundaries as to what is a CCC. If you listen to match comentaries in real life you will hear the commentator scream 'he missed a sitter' or words to that effect. In the game that would come up as a CCC. However if you watch match of the day often the people in the studio will disagree over how easy or hard a chance was. They will defend a player saying 'well he was leaning back to much' or 'he was already stretching for it' or such like.

Thus in real life there are no stats for CCC because it is entirely subjective.

I think we all suffer from 'highlights syndrome' This is where we are all used to watching match of the day or other such programs where they have to squeeze 10 games into an hour and half show (or is it an hour these days?). Thus, pretty much every time they show a clip you KNOW something interresting is going to happen in it. We will miss all the long shots that scream off towards the corner flag or the really neat passes that got towards goal, but was eventually uneventful.

A very specific example of this is roberto carlos - he is not the greatest free kick taker in the world - but his single unbelievable free kick has been ingrained in our minds so strongly that often that is the first thing people think about when someone says a free kick specialist. We are far too influenced by what we perceive to be true, rather than statistically what is true.
 
Mike. said:
we've been debating the CCC issue over at si, this post sums it up for me:

For me, the problem is what defines a CCC, and as its a computer it has to have specific boundaries as to what is a CCC. If you listen to match comentaries in real life you will hear the commentator scream 'he missed a sitter' or words to that effect. In the game that would come up as a CCC. However if you watch match of the day often the people in the studio will disagree over how easy or hard a chance was. They will defend a player saying 'well he was leaning back to much' or 'he was already stretching for it' or such like.

Thus in real life there are no stats for CCC because it is entirely subjective.

I think we all suffer from 'highlights syndrome' This is where we are all used to watching match of the day or other such programs where they have to squeeze 10 games into an hour and half show (or is it an hour these days?). Thus, pretty much every time they show a clip you KNOW something interresting is going to happen in it. We will miss all the long shots that scream off towards the corner flag or the really neat passes that got towards goal, but was eventually uneventful.

A very specific example of this is roberto carlos - he is not the greatest free kick taker in the world - but his single unbelievable free kick has been ingrained in our minds so strongly that often that is the first thing people think about when someone says a free kick specialist. We are far too influenced by what we perceive to be true, rather than statistically what is true.
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Spot on there imo
 
i should add this was a quote from a guy called maidel, but hes bang on imo
 
My only problem with CCC are the AI seem to score all of theirs and I miss most of mine.

I just lost 5-1 to Arsenal and we both had 4 CCC
 
it definately is a bug imo, I played as Galatasaray vs a mid level Turkish team I had 20 shots, 15 on target, 6 cccs while the other team only had 5 shots in total. One was a complete screamer from nowhere from their striker the second was one of their wingers (asbolutely **** winger btw) dribbling past 4 of my players and scoring another fluke. Absolutely ****** off, and they even got a man sent off. In fact in most of the matches I also keep getting red cards for stupid challenges even though my setting is onto more cautious and I don't use seperate player instructions. This game makes me so mad sometimes.
 
ultraslan1988 said:
it definately is a bug imo, I played as Galatasaray vs a mid level Turkish team I had 20 shots, 15 on target, 6 cccs while the other team only had 5 shots in total. One was a complete screamer from nowhere from their striker the second was one of their wingers (asbolutely **** winger btw) dribbling past 4 of my players and scoring another fluke. Absolutely ****** off, and they even got a man sent off. In fact in most of the matches I also keep getting red cards for stupid challenges even though my setting is onto more cautious and I don't use seperate player instructions. This game makes me so mad sometimes.
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it is not a bug. lets get this straight.
 
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