Clear cut chances

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yes it is, two absolute flukey goals from crappy opposition 15 shots on target from a front 3 each with 15 finishing and composure at the very least. Explain that to me? in fact it's happened 3 times in a row now and its driving me up the ****** wall.
 
ultraslan1988 said:
yes it is, two absolute flukey goals from crappy opposition 15 shots on target from a front 3 each with 15 finishing and composure at the very least. Explain that to me? in fact it's happened 3 times in a row now and its driving me up the ****** wall.
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i weep. i really do. it is not a bug. we have been having this discussion over at si for ages. in fact go and read it for yourself, it might actually enlighten you
 
whatever if you think its realistic to see some crappy winger scoring a messi-esque goal by going past 4 defenders and a top team missing 15 shots on target then you really are deluded and getting 1 red card per game whilst the settings are on "more cautious" then I can't really say anymore.
 
ultraslan1988 said:
whatever if you think its realistic to see some crappy winger scoring a messi-esque goal by going past 4 defenders and a top team missing 15 shots on target then you really are deluded and getting 1 red card per game whilst the settings are on "more cautious" then I can't really say anymore.
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right dont start with insults, especially if you dont understand the game or even the issue with the CCC. the CCC is a stat, nothing more, nothing less. it was brought in SI because people wanted to understand why they missed shots.

however CCC a) dont exist in real life, and b) are a judgement call in real life. which is a problem becuase in they game they must have a clearly defined definiton. Because of this, in game the whole CCC idea is largely out of sync, and obsessed over by people like you who look at the stat without ever looking at the chance. there is no bug, becuase there is nothing to bug. its a number

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sick to death of posts like that.
 
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thats both a really easy question and a nightmare. its a clear cut chance. After that it gets into a whole other debate, best summed by Maidel:

For me, the problem is what defines a CCC, and as its a computer it has to have specific boundaries as to what is a CCC. If you listen to match comentaries in real life you will hear the commentator scream 'he missed a sitter' or words to that effect. In the game that would come up as a CCC. However if you watch match of the day often the people in the studio will disagree over how easy or hard a chance was. They will defend a player saying 'well he was leaning back to much' or 'he was already stretching for it' or such like.

Thus in real life there are no stats for CCC because it is entirely subjective.

I think we all suffer from 'highlights syndrome' This is where we are all used to watching match of the day or other such programs where they have to squeeze 10 games into an hour and half show (or is it an hour these days?). Thus, pretty much every time they show a clip you KNOW something interresting is going to happen in it. We will miss all the long shots that scream off towards the corner flag or the really neat passes that got towards goal, but was eventually uneventful.

A very specific example of this is roberto carlos - he is not the greatest free kick taker in the world - but his single unbelievable free kick has been ingrained in our minds so strongly that often that is the first thing people think about when someone says a free kick specialist. We are far too influenced by what we perceive to be true, rather than statistically what is true.
 
markodragojevic said:
probably a stupid question but what is CCC?
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Abbreviation for clear cut chances.

Got to agree with Mike. You can't say something in the game is broken when you yourself are making the decision on the brokenness of it yourself. The game has its own definition of CCC, and people pay far too much attention to it. Make your own definition and judgements on CCCs, and then work on it through the possible systems in the game. Only when you have exh- OH FOR GODS SAKES THIS IS TOO CONFUSING :@

I don't know, I'm tying myself up in knots. All I can say is, no, the game isn't broken.
 
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It probably just depends on the form and confidence of your team/player and their goalkeeper
 
Mike. said:
thats both a really easy question and a nightmare. its a clear cut chance. After that it gets into a whole other debate, best summed by Maidel:

For me, the problem is what defines a CCC, and as its a computer it has to have specific boundaries as to what is a CCC. If you listen to match comentaries in real life you will hear the commentator scream 'he missed a sitter' or words to that effect. In the game that would come up as a CCC. However if you watch match of the day often the people in the studio will disagree over how easy or hard a chance was. They will defend a player saying 'well he was leaning back to much' or 'he was already stretching for it' or such like.

Thus in real life there are no stats for CCC because it is entirely subjective.

I think we all suffer from 'highlights syndrome' This is where we are all used to watching match of the day or other such programs where they have to squeeze 10 games into an hour and half show (or is it an hour these days?). Thus, pretty much every time they show a clip you KNOW something interresting is going to happen in it. We will miss all the long shots that scream off towards the corner flag or the really neat passes that got towards goal, but was eventually uneventful.

A very specific example of this is roberto carlos - he is not the greatest free kick taker in the world - but his single unbelievable free kick has been ingrained in our minds so strongly that often that is the first thing people think about when someone says a free kick specialist. We are far too influenced by what we perceive to be true, rather than statistically what is true.
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huh?
Roberto Carlos was one of the best long range free-kick takers in the sport.
 
This is for Super Moderator Jake who has shut down my thread today where I had a whinge about how I believe SI has changed the goal scoring mechanics for the worse.

What was conveniently ignored by yourself and numerous others in that thread was my statement that my proven tactics in earlier versions of FM that would yield high goal scoring are now impotent. The tactics were transferred painstakingly across versions because they worked. They were not altered in any way. Yet in FM2011 the exact same tactics behave in the same way until it comes time to finish a move and inevitably the shot is wide, over or hits the woofwork. I only play Chelsea so it's even the same players more or less. I have never looked at CCC so can people stop harping on about this. I have measured the change by my poor 1st season whereas I once won the PL 5 years on the trot... with these same tactics.

If the tactics worked very well and they haven't been changed & the players are the pretty much the same then can someone please offer me a theory on why the sudden poor finishing? Gotta be the new release.
 
jasm2011 said:
This is for Super Moderator Jake who has shut down my thread today where I had a whinge about how I believe SI has changed the goal scoring mechanics for the worse.

What was conveniently ignored by yourself and numerous others in that thread was my statement that my proven tactics in earlier versions of FM that would yield high goal scoring are now impotent. The tactics were transferred painstakingly across versions because they worked. They were not altered in any way. Yet in FM2011 the exact same tactics behave in the same way until it comes time to finish a move and inevitably the shot is wide, over or hits the woofwork. I only play Chelsea so it's even the same players more or less. I have never looked at CCC so can people stop harping on about this. I have measured the change by my poor 1st season whereas I once won the PL 5 years on the trot... with these same tactics.

If the tactics worked very well and they haven't been changed & the players are the pretty much the same then can someone please offer me a theory on why the sudden poor finishing? Gotta be the new release.
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Probably becuase the tactics as good as you thing. proven in fm10 means absolutely nothing. there have been HUNDREDS of me changes between FM10 and FM11. the fact that it fails to make the transition shows that its actually not that well put together. Well built tactics from 10 will work in FM11 with some tweaking

its not the game its your tactics, until you learn that you will constantly struggle
 
Mike - my tactics worked consistently in FM07 & FM09. As you say it's possible FM2011 shifted the goalposts (no pun intended) and they altered things a bit and I have to go back to square 1. I'll do it cos I'm ****** addicted but I resent it...

PS - My tactics were that good. 5 PL + 3 FA + 2 CL (3 finals) in 5 seasons. From that to 4th in 1 season in FM2011. Can't prove it but something smells.
 
the match engine is MILES ahead of 09. can you upload your tactic? This match is is perfect but its the best of the lot so far. There a very good post that proves that there really isnt a global issues with goals, will find it in a bit
 
This is actually true sometimes for lower teams a lot
 
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