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[sunilvk7]

Standard Deviations are still according to me the best way to learn how consistent a player is because averages do not take into account the strength of the opposition, for all the cricket India play it could be that Sehwag played a number of tests against the likes of the Bangladesh, WI, Zimbawe, NZ that kept his average above 50 who knows?

He can take a game away from you

but strangely enough his performance has very little impact on the overall result...

Ok lest see how Sehwag does against big teams.

Vs Aussies: 48
Vs England: 27
Vs NZ: 44
Vs Pak: 91
Vs SA: 50
Vs SL: 72

Thats an amazing record. You can keep your deviation theories. If a player has over all average of 30 and keeps scoring 30 in all games will you call that as Consistency? Dude Standard deviations are not used to measure how consistent batsman is.

Sehwag is a opening batsman, so chances of him remaining Not out are very slim still he averages 52 after playing 92 tests. If you are not consistent you wont anywhere near that.

Like I said, Sehwag is not consistent in tests is like saying Messi can't hack on cold tuesday nights, everyone knows both are bs and clutching at straws.

I have proven his consistency by posting his averages in a calendar year, against big opponents. You can draw whatever conclusion you want to.

 

[Alcaraz]

Ok lest see how Sehwag does against big teams.

Vs Aussies: 48
Vs England: 27
Vs NZ: 44
Vs Pak: 91
Vs SA: 50
Vs SL: 72

Thats an amazing record. You can keep your deviation theories. If a player has over all average of 30 and keeps scoring 30 in all games will you call that as Consistency? Dude Standard deviations are not used to measure how consistent batsman is.

Sehwag is a opening batsman, so chances of him remaining Not out are very slim still he averages 52 after playing 92 tests. If you are not consistent you wont anywhere near that.

Like I said, Sehwag is not consistent in tests is like saying Messi can't hack on cold tuesday nights, everyone knows both are bs and clutching at straws.

I have proven his consistency by posting his averages in a calendar year, against big opponents. You can draw whatever conclusion you want to.

You completely misunderstand the concept of deviations, since Sehwag's average is 52, Standard Deviations calculates how much he deviates from that average whenever he comes out to bat... I can calculate his standard deviation from a score of 50 also which would tell me how often he deviates from a score of 50 when he comes out to bat, I just chose to do it from his average

**** average against England for a player of his quality and NZ as well if you consider their bowling attack... good averages against everyone else and a great one vs Pakistan but as I said earlier averages are a slightly noobish way of looking at how consistent a player is

He is certainly a great player but wont be among my list of greatest ever batsmen ever because of his inability to destroy bowling attacks on a consistent basis like the great Sir Viv Richards

 

[sunilvk7]

You completely misunderstand the concept of deviations, since Sehwag's average is 52, Standard Deviations calculates how much he deviates from that average whenever he comes out to bat... I can calculate his standard deviation from a score of 50 also which would tell me how often he deviates from a score of 50 when he comes out to bat, I just chose to do it from his average

**** average against England for a player of his quality and NZ as well if you consider their bowling attack... good averages against everyone else and a great one vs Pakistan but as I said earlier averages are a slightly noobish way of looking at how consistent a player is

He is certainly a great player but wont be among my list of greatest ever batsmen ever because of his inability to destroy bowling attacks on a consistent basis like the great Sir Viv Richards

Show me one post where I said He is one of the best ever or as good as Sir Viv.

And I know how deviation works. Thats why I gave that example of 30. When players always scores 30 his SD will be 0. I wouldn't call him as Consistent no matter what.

**** average against England only. Why do you leave our one of the best ever teams Aussies?

For how long are you watching Cricket? Have you ever seen NZ say 5-6 years back? Will go back to early 2000s. They were very good team.

If he was not consistent his average would have been in 30s or 40s, not 50s. These are football stats where stats makes tap in players good. These are cricket stats, you need to earn it.

I dont have time to compile entire list of Sehwag's innings. Will try once.

 

[Matt Kult]

Tbh, Sehwag went past being just a good player long back. He's got 2 triple centuries (something only done by Lara and Don Bradman previously and he almost got a third as well). He is a player who has shown that you don't need perfect technique to become a great test player. You might talk about him not being that consistent but once he gets a start he normally makes them big (something which is to be expected as openers can often get out cheaply while facing the new ball while middle order batsmen have it relatively easier).

His record in ODIs is however quite poor and this is extremely odd considering the fact that one would imagine that a player of his style would be much better suited to the shorter format of the game. This is mostly blamed on him trying too hard to attack the bowling in limited overs cricket but he has gone some way to redeeming himself with his recent world record breaking knock.

The 219 was a very special knock, no doubt about it. People might talk of how good the track was but Sehwag still played brilliantly to get there. A couple of years back, there was a theory that you could stop Sehwag by tucking him up but in this knock he faced a lot of straight deliveries (some might say too straight) but he managed to score with ease.

 

[sunilvk7]

64 Innings of 40 plus.
30 Innings of 50 Plus
22 Innings of 100 plus
14 innings of 150 plus
6 200s
2 300s

Great stats for a great player.

 

[sunilvk7]

70 Innings he has scoredd below 30 runs (Excluding the innings where he was NO).

So out of 159 innings he has 70 innings below 30 plus. This is for a player who has explosive batting style and takes attack to the bowlers. I would take this any day.

For every 2 innings he will score 30 or 40 plus.

 

[sunilvk7]

Sub continent pitch and here we go, 3-0.

 

[sunilvk7]

in India I dont think I could see Cook or Trott ever getting out, im sorry. Also Swann >>> Mishra/Yuvraj spinner wise

Cook and Trott averaged around 27 runs. (Cook with SR of 30). 5 Pakistan batsmen bettered that average.

Panesar took more wickets in 2 tests than Swann took in 3 tests.

Ajmal took twice the number of wickets than Swann and Rehman outperformed Swann by miles.

 

[Brian]

Cook and Trott averaged around 27 runs. (Cook with SR of 30). 5 Pakistan batsmen bettered that average.

Panesar took more wickets in 2 tests than Swann took in 3 tests.

Ajmal took twice the number of wickets than Swann and Rehman outperformed Swann by miles.

I thought you were Indian and I must have missed the news where Abu Dhabi became part of India?

 

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[sunilvk7]

I thought you were Indian and I must have missed the news where Abu Dhabi became part of India?

Discussion started when talking about Sub continent. I dont remember who said that England will have no problem in playing at sub continent. Gave many reasons like Swann is the best spinner, Cook wont get out in slow tracks and what not.

 

[Brian]

Discussion started when talking about Sub continent. I dont remember who said that England will have no problem in playing at sub continent. Gave many reasons like Swann is the best spinner, Cook wont get out in slow tracks and what not.

I am after reading through the thread again to see where all this started and I realised my post was just bad timing. You seemed to think i was backing up Stann's post that England would never get out on subcontinent pitches and that Swann would have 2 ten-fors and England would kill India. My point although stated badly(then I was too lazy to back-up until now) was that i felt England would have a great chance of beating India in India regardless of India's form if England were playing as they were at the time. I feel Swann is a better spinner than the Indian spinners I have seen (presuming you dont have any 20 year olds i have not seen yet) and it is not just wickets for Swann. Him and Anderson apply pressure for the others to capitalise.

Regarding Cook and Trott, I felt if they were playing as they were at the time they would be very very hard to get out as they had been good players of spin and the pace wouldnt get them as they were playing then. (btw 4 of Cook's 6 wickets were by pacemen in the series which shows his loss of form)

I hope I have made myself clearer.

 

[sunilvk7]

I am after reading through the thread again to see where all this started and I realised my post was just bad timing. You seemed to think i was backing up Stann's post that England would never get out on subcontinent pitches and that Swann would have 2 ten-fors and England would kill India. My point although stated badly(then I was too lazy to back-up until now) was that i felt England would have a great chance of beating India in India regardless of India's form if England were playing as they were at the time. I feel Swann is a better spinner than the Indian spinners I have seen (presuming you dont have any 20 year olds i have not seen yet) and it is not just wickets for Swann. Him and Anderson apply pressure for the others to capitalise.

Regarding Cook and Trott, I felt if they were playing as they were at the time they would be very very hard to get out as they had been good players of spin and the pace wouldnt get them as they were playing then. (btw 4 of Cook's 6 wickets were by pacemen in the series which shows his loss of form)

I hope I have made myself clearer.

Cheers Brian, you made it clear.

Let me point out simple thing, ask England to play at home tomorrow, you will see the old England back in action. Cook will score runs like he used to along your other batsmen who were in superb form. But pitch conditions matters a lot and like I said Sub continental pitches are the biggest test for England, Aussies and SA.

Cook was out against Pacemen but the point is wickets are slow so he needs to adjust to the wicket. In England he can trust the bounce, but in sub continent pitch holds the ball lot more than in England, Aus or SA. So playing pacers also needs major adjustments just like how we failed to adapt and still failing to adapt to fast pitches.

Yeah Swann is clearly better spinner than any Indian spinner playing now though. We have gone backwards in that dept. But I would take Ajmal over any spinner tbh. Awesome spinner. (I know we didn't compare Swann and Ajmal, I'm just saying).

Btw, I dont know whether you made the point or Stann, but hopefully the one who made it realize that playing on sub continental pitches is completely different ball game.

 

[Jake]

I reckon i could bowl a half decent doosra if the ICC allowed me to chuck it as well.

He's a chucker, plain and simple. I guarantee he'd get no-balled in the league i play in.

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[leanercarpet]

i like indian cricket.but they are now on trouble.

 

[Showman16]

I reckon i could bowl a half decent doosra if the ICC allowed me to chuck it as well.

He's a chucker, plain and simple. I guarantee he'd get no-balled in the league i play in.

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Oh please, quit whining. You got beaten down 3-0 and Ajmal's action is fine. His arm doesn't straighten past 15 degrees and his doosra is not the delivery which was scrutinized by the ICC the first time.

 

[Jake]

Oh please, quit whining. You got beaten down 3-0 and Ajmal's action is fine. His arm doesn't straighten past 15 degrees and his doosra is not the delivery which was scrutinized by the ICC the first time.

Did i mention the defeat? England were rubbish, as they always have been and probably always will be on Asian pitches. English batsmen posted fairly sub-par scores in the warmup games too, and no-one was chucking it then, this has nothing to do with me being bitter over an English series whitewash, i put money on a Pakistan 3-0 win. Regardless of the result and your assumption that I'm simply bitter, a legitimate question over his action has been raised by plenty of current and former pros.

ICC tests are open to abuse, you simply change your action for the test, you can't be no-balled for an action on the pitch anymore, unless you literally throw it shot-put style. The arm flex allowance for a spinner used to be 5 degrees, its been upped over the years to 15 simply to accommodate the illegal actions of fantastic bowlers and stop the sport from dying. When the next review finds Ajmal is flexing by 20, 25, 30 (some reports say 35) degrees then no doubt the ICC will review the rules instead of banning a players action.

My opinion: He chucks it, anyone who says he doesn't needs to get their head out the sand.

The day he plays a test match in a short sleeve shirt I'll reconsider my position.

Plenty of former cricketers share the same view, and I'll trust their opinion over the spineless ICC.

I'd no-ball him in a heartbeat, and from speaking to some of the umpires who umpire the standard i play at (Cambridgeshire Premier Division) they say they would too.

 

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[sunilvk7]

321 chased in just 36.4 overs. That's how you chase the score. Kohli is a LEGEND. What a talent we have on out hands. Awesome batsman and future Captain for sure.

 

[Shiraz]

He really is very talented and the only young Indian player who has the technique to do well in overseas tests after Tendulkar, Dravid and Laxman retire. The rest of their young batsmen are all aggressive players with not the best techniques. Maybe Pujara is also decent but cannot think of too many others.