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[sunilvk7]

We got raped. Cook played well, everyone else.. less so. Our bowling was *****, apart from Swann.

Last time you lost 5-0 and before that 5-1 . Adjusting to sub continent wicket is very tricky.

Trott played at his own pace which didn't help England. He should up the SR tbh.

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Easy win again. 2-0. Kohli with a very good century. 7th in 66 games.

 

[sunilvk7]

Its 3-0 now. What a game. Could have won easily but England fought back really well. We were bit lucky at the end but overall excellent display.

 

[sunilvk7]

5-0 and clean sweep. Bit disappointed that Cook got booed in the end by Eden Garden crowd.

England lost 10 wickets for 47 runs.

 

[sunilvk7]

Sehwag scored brilliant double century. World record score..

 

[Alcaraz]

5-0 and clean sweep. Bit disappointed that Cook got booed in the end by Eden Garden crowd.

England lost 10 wickets for 47 runs.

Newspaper Headlines Tommorow: Darren Sammy commits suicide


Its really ironic haha that Sehway gets our for a golden duck in one game then scores the highest ODI score ever in the next... Talk about consistency haha

 

[sunilvk7]

Newspaper Headlines Tommorow: Darren Sammy commits suicide


Its really ironic haha that Sehway gets our for a golden duck in one game then scores the highest ODI score ever in the next... Talk about consistency haha

He is a mystery. I said same thing in other forum when he was out for 0.

Sehwag is kind of mystery player. He may have few average innings, but he will all of a sudden score a big one, that too run a ball big score. He is that kind of player.

 

[Alcaraz]

He is a mystery. I said same thing in other forum when he was out for 0.

whatever said and done about him, he is not a genius player... sure he is a match-winner but his consistency is a huge worry and tbh he does perform spectacularly on his day but at other times could cost his teams crucial games, he got out on the first ball in the World Cup Final so their is a major point of worry for you, he would be fondly remembered but I doubt anyone will be rushing to put him into a list of the top 10 best batsmen of all time-

Players like Punter, Sachin, Dravid, Andy Flower, Don Bradman, Viv Richards, Brian Lara, Gary Sobers, Gavaskar and countless more would be ahead of him

 

[sunilvk7]

whatever said and done about him, he is not a genius player... sure he is a match-winner but his consistency is a huge worry and tbh he does perform spectacularly on his day but at other times could cost his teams crucial games, he got out on the first ball in the World Cup Final so their is a major point of worry for you, he would be fondly remembered but I doubt anyone will be rushing to put him into a list of the top 10 best batsmen of all time-

Players like Punter, Sachin, Dravid, Andy Flower, Don Bradman, Viv Richards, Brian Lara, Gary Sobers, Gavaskar and countless more would be ahead of him

Saying Sehwag is not consistent is like saying Messi can't hack on cold tuesday night.

He is very consistent. Just checkout his Test record.

In ODIs, player with close to 36 avg with over 100 SR is **** good. His role is to give us flying start, more often than not he does that.

Andy Flower? Really? Lol. I know he was a great player but he is not as good as Sehwag.

Rest all are one of the best ever players, its no shame if Sehwag is not as good as them.

 

[Alcaraz]

Saying Sehwag is not consistent is like saying Messi can't hack on cold tuesday night.

He is very consistent. Just checkout his Test record.

In ODIs, player with close to 36 avg with over 100 SR is **** good. His role is to give us flying start, more often than not he does that.

Andy Flower? Really? Lol. I know he was a great player but he is not as good as Sehwag.

Rest all are one of the best ever players, its no shame if Sehwag is not as good as them.

Averages are really a bit of a noobish way of looking at a player worth... using a method using Standard Deviations, we calculate how often a player deviates from his average when he comes out to bat and sadly to say Sehwag deviates from his average of 55 quite a bit when he comes out to bat, his average is surely propped up by the fact that he has the ability to produce huge scores but its proven that he deviates from it more often than not... players like Dravid, Tendulkar and until recently Punter, now those are the averages that are worth looking at because these players rarely deviate from them when they come out to bat as proven by Standard Deviations

Dont get me wrong, all I saying is that although Sehwag is a great player his not a genius like KP recently tweeted and certainly not among the greatest batsmen ever

Sehwag is a good player but if we go purely based on averages then someone like Mike Hussey would own everyone and Laxman is by far not the most under-rated cricketer, he is painstakingly slow between the wickets and thats why he has played so few ODI's, he has produced memorable innings and maybe people tend to regard him lowly against other heavyweights of world cricket but the most under-rated cricketer is by far Shivarine Chanderpaul

 

[Shiraz]

Saying Sehwag is not consistent is like saying Messi can't hack on cold tuesday night.

He is very consistent. Just checkout his Test record.

In ODIs, player with close to 36 avg with over 100 SR is **** good. His role is to give us flying start, more often than not he does that.

Andy Flower? Really? Lol. I know he was a great player but he is not as good as Sehwag.

Rest all are one of the best ever players, its no shame if Sehwag is not as good as them.

Check Sehwag's average in SA, England and then compare that with Ponting

 

[sunilvk7]

Averages are really a bit of a noobish way of looking at a player worth... using a method using Standard Deviations, we calculate how often a player deviates from his average when he comes out to bat and sadly to say Sehwag deviates from his average of 55 quite a bit when he comes out to bat, his average is surely propped up by the fact that he has the ability to produce huge scores but its proven that he deviates from it more often than not... players like Dravid, Tendulkar and until recently Punter, now those are the averages that are worth looking at because these players rarely deviate from them when they come out to bat as proven by Standard Deviations

Dont get me wrong, all I saying is that although Sehwag is a great player his not a genius like KP recently tweeted and certainly not among the greatest batsmen ever

Sehwag is a good player but if we go purely based on averages then someone like Mike Hussey would own everyone and Laxman is by far not the most under-rated cricketer, he is painstakingly slow between the wickets and thats why he has played so few ODI's, he has produced memorable innings and maybe people tend to regard him lowly against other heavyweights of world cricket but the most under-rated cricketer is by far Shivarine Chanderpaul

Are we talking about ODIs or Tests? If you are talking about tests, no way I would agree. He is awesome player, never did I call him one of the best ever. All I said was He is a mystery player. For many players who have made it big on International stage, Sehwag is a genius. They know what a quality player he is and how easily he can take away game from you. Measure of greatness.

His year by year batting average.
year 2001 47.00
year 2002 39.81
year 2003 52.20
year 2004 63.38
year 2005 60.38
year 2006 39.55
year 2007 22.00
year 2008 56.23
year 2009 70.11
year 2010 61.82
year 2011 28.18

He had 2-3 poor years apart from that consistent in almost every year.

When a players has played 92 test matches, I would consider his Average, we are not talking about someone who played 10-20 Tests, we are talking about someone who has played close to 100 tests, more than 10 years and a career SR of 83.

 

[sunilvk7]

Check Sehwag's average in SA, England and then compare that with Ponting

I was not comparing him with any players, anyways you have started, so lets play the game.

Check Sehwag's average in Australia and Ponting's in India and then we can talk.

Also compare those 2's averages in SL.

Compare the great Lara's average in India and Sehwag's in WI.

Easy game.

Edit: Compare Ponting Average in Australia and also Sehwag's in Australia.

 

[Shiraz]

Comparing them on flat tracks or at home does not tell who is a better batsman. That is why I suggested countries which are neither of their home country.

 

[sunilvk7]

Comparing them on flat tracks or at home does not tell who is a better batsman. That is why I suggested countries which are neither of their home country.

Or comparing on track which Australia play regularly is fair?

Well if that was flat track why is ponting's average so poor in India? Can't have it both ways.

 

[Shiraz]

Or comparing on track which Australia play regularly is fair?

Well if that was flat track why is ponting's average so poor in India? Can't have it both ways.

Fair enough point. I was basing my opinion on what I had seen from both batsman when they came to SA. The pitches here require a solid technique and from watching them both, Ponting looked better.

Also, Sehwag has played here quite a bit, not in tests though. Ponting was not here for the IPL or CLT20..

Oh I did look up the averages btw, was not aware that Ponting's was so poor in India.

 

[sunilvk7]

Fair enough point. I was basing my opinion on what I had seen from both batsman when they came to SA. The pitches here require a solid technique and from watching them both, Ponting looked better.

Also, Sehwag has played here quite a bit, not in tests though. Ponting was not here for the IPL or CLT20..

Oh I did look up the averages btw, was not aware that Ponting's was so poor in India.

But we just belittle his achievements by saying he didn't play well in SA. Like I said we can do the same to Sachin, Ponting, Lara or any batsman.

Even you need technique to survive in Australia, which he has done impressively.

 

[sunilvk7]

Lol, Sehwag's highest T20 score is 119, ODI- 219, Test 319.

 

[Shiraz]

The highest score says nothing about consistent good performances. Also, based on the way you suggest we compare averages, is Hashim Amla a better batsman than Sehwag? He averages more in India than Sehwag averages in SA..

 

[sunilvk7]

The highest score says nothing about consistent good performances. Also, based on the way you suggest we compare averages, is Hashim Amla a better batsman than Sehwag? He averages more in India than Sehwag averages in SA..

Dude who said Highest score is the measure of player's greatness? Give it a rest. I just posted as all 3 scores ended with 19. Sigh.

It was me or you who brought up average in particular pitches? I was talking about overall average of a player who played close to 100 tests then you brought up compare Averages of Sehwag andd Ponting in SA.

 

[Alcaraz]

Are we talking about ODIs or Tests? If you are talking about tests, no way I would agree. He is awesome player, never did I call him one of the best ever. All I said was He is a mystery player. For many players who have made it big on International stage, Sehwag is a genius. They know what a quality player he is and how easily he can take away game from you. Measure of greatness.

His year by year batting average.
year 2001 47.00
year 2002 39.81
year 2003 52.20
year 2004 63.38
year 2005 60.38
year 2006 39.55
year 2007 22.00
year 2008 56.23
year 2009 70.11
year 2010 61.82
year 2011 28.18

He had 2-3 poor years apart from that consistent in almost every year.

When a players has played 92 test matches, I would consider his Average, we are not talking about someone who played 10-20 Tests, we are talking about someone who has played close to 100 tests, more than 10 years and a career SR of 83.

Standard Deviations are still according to me the best way to learn how consistent a player is because averages do not take into account the strength of the opposition, for all the cricket India play it could be that Sehwag played a number of tests against the likes of the Bangladesh, WI, Zimbawe, NZ that kept his average above 50 who knows?

He can take a game away from you but strangely enough his performance has very little impact on the overall result...

Some figures for you:

Whenever Sehwag scores a 50-plus score India has only 3 percent more chance of winning the game than if he does not score above 50

Strangely enough the person whose performance most impacts whether his team win or lose the game is Nathan Astle but the likes of Brian Lara, Chanderpaul, Andy Flowers and Punter feature heavily on the list too