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THIS TACTIC IS BETTER ----> DEMOLISHER !





























DESTROYER


DOWNLOAD THE TACTIC ---> TFF DESTROYER V7


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"WASTE TIME" TACTIC

Use this tactic when you need to protect your lead and "kill" the game. Please notice that this tactic doesn't give 100% guaranty that you don't concede it only greatly reduces the probability of it so if you start using this tactic too early, for example, when you've got a shaky lead by 1 goal then it might backfire and you might concede a fluke goal at the last minute and give away a win so you should use this tactic it wisely.

DOWNLOAD THE TACTIC ---> TFF DESTROYER ( WASTE TIME ) V1









DESCRIPTION:


Guys, I'll be short. This tactic shows the best results that I've seen in FM17 and the results aren't just better, it's better by a solid margin but I want to warn you at once that it isn't "A Plug and Play Tactic" and as you'll see later it requires for you doing some work every match and if you don’t want to bother this that stuff then you’d better use any Plug and Play tactic like REAVER.







IMPORTANT INFORMATION:

I set into the tactic "Mark Specific Player" instructions for AMCL and AMCR positions, it can be visible only during matches if you go to their "Player Instruction" settings.

Your AMCL position always marks DR position in your opponent's tactic and your AMCR position always marks DL position in your opponent's tactic when your opponents use a tactic with a standart flat 4 man defense line.

So you don't need set anything and worry about anything when your opponent uses a tactic with flat 4 man defense line becasue as I said I made that in this case AMCL/AMCR positions automatically marks DL/DR positions in your opponents tactic.

Here are examples of formations with flat 4 man defense line and as I said when you play against these formations then your AMR will be always marking DL position under(the red arrow) and your AML will be always marking DR position under(the blue arrow).


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You need to act when you see that your opponent uses any tactic with "exotic" defense lime, for example, 5 man defense line because in this case the specific marking instructions that I set for AMCL/AMCR positions start working incorrectly, it marks wrong positions and in order to fix it you need to go to the players instruction of AMCL/ AMCR positions and set AMCL to mark the opposition position under the blue arrow and AMCR to mark the opposition position under the red arrow.

Please notice that you can set "Specific Man Marking" instruction only during the pre-match tactical menu or during the match.

Here are Examples of "exotic" 5 man defense line and if you see that your opponent uses it then you need to act:


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"INSTAN RESULT" AND THE TACTIC:

To those people who play with "Instant Result" I want to say that I've tried using "Instant Result" with the tactic and saw that the specific man marking was working correctly against "4 man defense line" and was working incorrectly 5 man defense line and any other "exotic" defense line.

So you can use "Instant Result" with this tactic only vs opponents that use a tactic with 4 man defense line but if your opponent uses a tactic with 5 man defense or with any other "exotic" defense line then I suggest playing "Commentary Mode" without Instant Result because only in this case you can adjust the specific man marking as I explained it at the "Important Information" section.

You might ask but how do know what formation your opponent uses? I suggest watching his fixtures and your scouts' reports. Please notice that some AI use different tactics for Home and Away matches.








ADDITIONAL IMPORTANT INFORMATION:




- AMCL position: Right Foot – Very Strong/Strong/Fairly Strong

- AMCR position: Left Foot – Very Strong/Strong/Fairly Strong

- DR position: Right Foot - Very Strong

- DL position: Left Foot - Very Strong




- AMCL/AMCR/AMC/MCL positions should take the corners



- When someone of your player got a red card then remove AMC



- DR position is a very important position in the tactic because DR position greatly contributes to the attack and the defense so you should always try to get the best possible player at this position. Also, notice that this position gets tired significantly during matches due its great contributes to the attack and the defense so I recommend that you substitute this position around 65-70 min of every match in order to always have a fresh player at this important position.


- You should always play your right footed Central Defenders at DCR position and your left footed Central Defenders at DCL because only that way they will be able to start your attacks with accurate passes at their flanks and don't clear the ball high up field. Also, please notice that it's enough if your central defender that plays at DCL position has only "Fairly Strong" rating for the left foot so he shouldn't be left footed in this case.







YELLOW AND RED CARDS

Guys, I see that in FM17 players get a huge amount of yellow cards it's even more than it was in FM16 so be very careful with that because all positions in the tactic have "Tackle Harder" PI and if you see that some of your players is booked during the match then go to his instruction and add "Easy Off Tackles" PI instead of "Tackle Harder" PI otherwise you are at great risk to get a man sent off.








OPPOSITION INSTRUCTIONS:

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TRANING AND MATCH PREPARATION:

1)Put the tactic into all 3 tactic slots because it makes the tactic familiarity grows much faster.


2) During the pre-season set MATCH PREPARATION(Main Focus) - "Match Tactics" set the training as it's shown at the screenshot below.

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3) During the pre-season play no less than 6-7 friendly matches, I recommend arranging friendly matches vs much weaker opponents in order to get guaranty easy wins and have "Superb" morale for the begging of the season.


4) When the tactic familiarity reaches about 90% then change MATCH PREPARATION(Main Focus) to "Att. Movement" and set the training as it's shown at the screenshot below.


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Individual Training Focus:

STC : Individual Training Focus = "Deep Lying Forward"

AMC : Individual Training Focus = "Advanced Playmaker"; Additional Focus might be Finishing if this attribute is less than 14

AMCL : Individual Training Focus = "Advanced Playmaker"; Additional Focus might be Finishing if this attribute is less than 14

AMCR : Individual Training Focus = "Advanced Playmaker"; Additional Focus might be Finishing if this attribute is less than 14

MCL : Individual Training Focus = "Advanced Playmaker"; Additional Focus might be Positioning if this attribute is low

MCR : Individual Training Focus = "Ball Winning Midfielder"; Additional Focus might be Technique // First Touch // Passing // Composure // Jumping Reach if these attributes are low

CDL/CDR : Individual Training Focus = "Central Defender"; Additional Focus might be Technique // First Touch // Passing // Composure if these attributes are low

DL/DR : Individual Training Focus = "Complete Wing Back";

GK : Individual Training Focus = "Goalkeeper"












PPMS:

GOOD AND BAD PPMs FOR THE POSITIONS:
(Please notice that some PPMs are good for one position and bad for other position so if you are planning to use some players on few positions then don't train them the PPMs which can be "Bad")


DEEP LYING FORWARD
GOOD - "Plays One-Twos", "Comes Deep To Get Ball"
BAD - "Static Target Man", "Gets Forward Whenever Possible", "Likes To Try To Beat Offside Trap", "Runs With Ball Rarely"


CENTRAL ATTACKING MIDFIELDER
GOOD - "Plays One-Twos"
BAD - "Comes Deep To Get Ball", "Stays Back At All Times", "Plays No Through Balls", "Runs With Ball Rarely"


LEFT/RIGHT ATTACKING MIDFIELDERS
GOOD - "Plays One-Twos"
BAD - "Stays Back At All Times", "Plays No Through Balls", "Runs With Ball Rarely"


BOX TO BOX MIDFIELDER
GOOD - "Plays One-Twos", "Gets Forward Whenever Possible"
BAD - "Comes Deep To Get Ball", "Stays Back At All Times", "Plays No Through Balls", "Runs With Ball Rarely"


RIGHT FULL BACK
GOOD - "Gets Forward Whenever Possible", "Plays One-Twos", "Run With Ball Down Right"
BAD - "Stays Back At All Times", "Runs With Ball Rarely", "Plays No Through Balls"


LEFT FULL BACK
GOOD - "Run With Ball Down Left"
BAD - "Stays Back At All Times", "Runs With Ball Rarely", "Plays No Through Balls"








FILTERS

DOWNLOAD FILTERS -->TFF FILTERS DESTROYER V3


First of all, if you are going to use the filters then you should turn OFF the "Attributes Masking" setting when you start a new save otherwise the filters will be useless.

Also, you need to understand that when starting a new save the more nations you load and the larger database you set, the more players appear in the filters.

Here's a screenshot with an information how you can turn it OFF when you start a new:
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In the game, the more scouting knowledge you have, the more players appear in the filters. I recommend having 100% scouting knowledge for these major football nations: Spain, Portugal, England, Italy, Germany, France, Holland, Brazil, Greece, Russia, Ukraine, Turkey.

In order to have 100% scouting knowledge of these nations you can buy scout that have nationality of these nations because it gives 100% scouting knowledge that doesn't decline overtime or you can send your scouts to scout these nations.

Your scouting knowledge should look like this:

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Please notice that the default settings of the filters are very tough and it's supposed to show the best 10-15 players in the world for the positions in the tactic and only the top clubs from the major European football nation can afford such players and it's obvious if you manage a small club then you can't afford to have such player and you need to "easy" the matching condition one by one until you find someone that you can afford to buy. It might look like this:

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You need to be very careful when you "easy the matching conditions" because some important attributes might be missed by much and you always should know what attributes are missed and by what amount.


Also, it's very important to understand that if you bought a player using the filters then it doesn't mean that now you have the best possible player for the position and you shouldn't look for any better player for this position, the filters might show very different quality players and some players might be much better than other player even the filters show them all, the filters just show players that have their CA(points) allocated in optimal way for the position and that’s all but some players might have much more point to allocate than other players and of course if one player has much more points to spend on the important attributes for the position then he’ll be more efficient than the other player that has much less points to spend on the on the important attributes for the position.











RECOMMENDED ATTRIBUTES FOR THE POSITIONS



DEEP LYING FORWARD
Acceleration 15+
Dribbling 15+
First Touch 15+
Finishing 15+
Off The Ball 15+
Anticipation 15+
Agility 13+
Pace 14+
Technique 14+
Decisions 13+
Composure 14+
Work Rate 13+
Passing 13+
Strength 13+
Vision 13+
Teamwork 13+
Long Shots 13+


ATTACKING MIDFIELDERS
Technique 16+
Dribbling 15+
Acceleration 15+
Agility 15+
Pace 14+
First Touch 15+
Passing 14+
Vision 14+
Finishing 14+
Decisions 14+
Composure 14+
Anticipation 14+
Flair 14+
Off The Ball 14+
Teamwork 14+
Work Rate 13+
Long Shots 13+


BOX TO BOX MIDFIELDER (SUPPORT)
Technique 15+
Passing 15+
First Touch 15+
Vision 15+
Decisions 15+
Composure 15+
Teamwork 14+
Work Rate 14+
Anticipation 14+
Off The Ball 13+
Positioning 11+
Acceleration 12+
Agility 12+
Pace 12+
Determination 11+
Dribbling 12+
Flair 13+


CENTRAL MIDFIELDER (DEFEND)
Work Rate 15+
Teamwork 14+
Positioning 14+
Marking 13+
Anticipation 13+
Tackling 14+
Technique 12+
First Touch 12+
Passing 13+
Vision 12+
Decisions 12+
Composure 12+
Strength 12+
Aggresion 12+
Bravery 13+
Acceleration 12+
Agility 11+
Pace 12+
Determination 13+


RIGHT FULL BACK
Acceleration 15+
Agility 14+
Pace 13+
Dribbling 14+
Crossing 14+
Technique 13+
First Touch 13+
Passing 12+
Flair 12+
Composure 12+
Decisions 12+
Vision 11+
Anticipation 12+
Off The Ball 13+
Teamwork 13+
Work Rate 13+
Tackling 13+
Positioning 13+
Marking 11+
Determination 11+


LEFT FULL BACK
Acceleration 15+
Agility 12+
Pace 13+
Teamwork 14+
Work Rate 14+
Tackling 14+
Anticipation 13+
Positioning 13+
Marking 13+
Aggresion 11+
Bravery 13+
Determination 13+
Crossing 12+
Technique 12+
Dribling 12+
Passing 12+
Decision 11+
Vision 11+
Compusure 11+
Off The Ball 11+
Strength 11+


CENTRAL DEFENDERS
Strength 16+
Acceleration 12+
Pace 12+
Agility 11+
Positioning 15+
Marking 15+
Concentration 14+
Jumping Reach 13+
Tackling 14+
Anticipation 14+
Aggresion 11+
Bravery 13+
Determination 13+
Work Rate 13+


GK
Reflexes 17 +
One on Ones 16 +
Handling 15+
Concentration 14+
Communication 13+
Command Of Area 13+
Agility 14+
 
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first game won 7-0 I'm starting to like this tactic^^)
 
Hey tff, when will you add training and filters mate? No pressure just asking so I can arrange my program with the kids and wife!! Hehe
 
Im using newest reaver tactics with instant result 4231 for home and 41221 for away I will add this one as third tactic to keep AI confused... Keep up the good work;)
 
MiyaGi was it against some amateur club in a friendly and u play as barcelona or something?
 
I don't know m8, played 3 games and 2 draws 0-0 and one lose 0-2 with weaker opponents :( Switching back to Reaver v12.
 
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Your tactics don't usually work for me
Don't know I m doing wrong
WI'll give this one a go tho
 
what type of foot is the best for each midfield position?

and what type of attacking midfielder is best in each position
 
Hey tff, when will you add training and filters mate? No pressure just asking so I can arrange my program with the kids and wife!! Hehe

Done. ;) I've added filters and training to the OP.


what about feet?

should amcl be left foot and amcr be right foot, or amcl right and amcr left

I'm not 100% sure about that at the current moment and still testing it but one thing I can say for sure if your AMC has got "Fairly Strong"/"Strong" rating for the weaker foot then he'll do great at any of these positions: AMCL/AMC/AMCR
 
Hi TFF,

Can I switch GLsupport to GL attack ? My GL is more effective in this duty.

Thanks
 
Is there any certain players what fit this tactic?


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TFF is this tactic stronger in your opinion then Reaver?

Mate, I just made an update to the Reaver tactics and if you'd asked me that question before the update then I'd answered without any doubts that this tactic is a head above the Reaver tactic but after the update the situation changed abd I'm not that 100% sure... I see that the Destroyer V1 tactic and the new version Reaver 4-2-3-1 V13 tactic show very close results so right now it's very hard for me to say that Destroyer V1 is clearly better than Reaver 4-2-3-1 V13... I need more time and tests to say it for sure...

But one thing I can say for sure at the current moment that Reaver 4-1-2-2-1 V7 shows the weakest results compare with Destroyer V1 and Reaver 4-2-3-1 V13
 
Hi TFF.

Thanks for this tactic. Its working very well for my Hansa Rostock team.

Just a single question. How do you set up man marking so it do it automatic?
 
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