El Diablo is Back!!!!

Well - playing low league club with this tactic is possible but not so consistent and painful to watch - sometimes my team have 30+ shots and 0 goals when oponent 1 SOT 1 goal from the break :(

Still doing fine-ish :)
 
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I won't complain ! I now have a good team in Reims but still... We score +3 goals in most of our games, both home or away, even against the big teams. Very impressive ! I don't know what happened against Sochaux but we never concede more than 1 goal per game too.

Perfection !
 
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I won't complain ! I now have a good team in Reims but still... We score +3 goals in most of our games, both home or away, even against the big teams. Very impressive ! I don't know what happened against Sochaux but we never concede more than 1 goal per game too.

Perfection !

For me as stated before it works wonders having a top team. The only two things which i can say its that sometimes you shoot 60 times but 15% to the goal. When you see match live you clearly see that many shots are rushed and infact end up in sloppy shots far out in the stands etc etc. There is always a big disparity in shots and shots on goal, and ok you score a lot anyways but i wonder if tuning down mentality to offensive would help to make it even more precise on that issue. Anther thing i saw with this tact is that especially if you come from a long winning streak if you go under especially in away matches there is nearly zero chances to turn it over (no matter which talks inmatch u use or subs) but that might be even due to the players single mentality.
 
For me as stated before it works wonders having a top team. The only two things which i can say its that sometimes you shoot 60 times but 15% to the goal. When you see match live you clearly see that many shots are rushed and infact end up in sloppy shots far out in the stands etc etc. There is always a big disparity in shots and shots on goal, and ok you score a lot anyways but i wonder if tuning down mentality to offensive would help to make it even more precise on that issue. Anther thing i saw with this tact is that especially if you come from a long winning streak if you go under especially in away matches there is nearly zero chances to turn it over (no matter which talks inmatch u use or subs) but that might be even due to the players single mentality.

It's true for the shots. We often end games with +40 shots and 50-60% of them on target. Most of the times the opponent only needs 5-6 shots and 2-3 of them on target to score. That can be frustrating but as you can see on the screenshot, we don't concede a lot anyway... I don't care about the ratio shots / on target / goals as long as we score a lot and dominate 99% of our games (I don't watch them).
 
For me as stated before it works wonders having a top team. The only two things which i can say its that sometimes you shoot 60 times but 15% to the goal. When you see match live you clearly see that many shots are rushed and infact end up in sloppy shots far out in the stands etc etc. There is always a big disparity in shots and shots on goal, and ok you score a lot anyways but i wonder if tuning down mentality to offensive would help to make it even more precise on that issue. Anther thing i saw with this tact is that especially if you come from a long winning streak if you go under especially in away matches there is nearly zero chances to turn it over (no matter which talks inmatch u use or subs) but that might be even due to the players single mentality.

It's true for the shots. We often end games with +40 shots and 50-60% of them on target. Most of the times the opponent only needs 5-6 shots and 2-3 of them on target to score. That can be frustrating but as you can see on the screenshot, we don't concede a lot anyway... I don't care about the ratio shots / on target / goals as long as we score a lot and dominate 99% of our games (I don't watch them).

Its because them will shoot most of the times in 1x1 situations while you are facing a wall 90% of the times.

Also, a lot of shoots on target are from corners/T-ins in tight angles that can be considered "easy" saves (and also that's why shoot with power PPM is important).

Also, F9 shoots from distance, and if you have a players with that PPM upfront, a lot of shoots will be wasted.
 
Its because them will shoot most of the times in 1x1 situations while you are facing a wall 90% of the times.

Also, a lot of shoots on target are from corners/T-ins in tight angles that can be considered "easy" saves (and also that's why shoot with power PPM is important).

Also, F9 shoots from distance, and if you have a players with that PPM upfront, a lot of shoots will be wasted.
The few goals i seem to conceed come all from 2 situations. Either i get nailed by the usual long pass and the attacker cuts my defense in two and runs alone to my GK. Or some garbage error usually from my left DL or DC (always on left side), and i have two monsters on those roles. But the only real issue is that of the gameplay when you see how really in a sloppy way most of the chances are wasted. I agree that a lot is due from the shoot from distance but others look like they are really rushed due to the overload mentality. I guess everybody here remembers the old FM and the tempo rule :) I am trying now to switch to offensive when i am in the lead or when i see i am struggling with chances on goal, especially away against good teams, and its working great and i dont see all that frenetic rush to score. Just my 2 cents here for an otherwise great tactic !!!
 
The few goals i seem to conceed come all from 2 situations. Either i get nailed by the usual long pass and the attacker cuts my defense in two and runs alone to my GK. Or some garbage error usually from my left DL or DC (always on left side), and i have two monsters on those roles. But the only real issue is that of the gameplay when you see how really in a sloppy way most of the chances are wasted. I agree that a lot is due from the shoot from distance but others look like they are really rushed due to the overload mentality. I guess everybody here remembers the old FM and the tempo rule :) I am trying now to switch to offensive when i am in the lead or when i see i am struggling with chances on goal, especially away against good teams, and its working great and i dont see all that frenetic rush to score. Just my 2 cents here for an otherwise great tactic !!!

yeah i get u r point m8.. might be sorted soon ;-)
 
The few goals i seem to conceed come all from 2 situations. Either i get nailed by the usual long pass and the attacker cuts my defense in two and runs alone to my GK. Or some garbage error usually from my left DL or DC (always on left side), and i have two monsters on those roles. But the only real issue is that of the gameplay when you see how really in a sloppy way most of the chances are wasted. I agree that a lot is due from the shoot from distance but others look like they are really rushed due to the overload mentality. I guess everybody here remembers the old FM and the tempo rule :) I am trying now to switch to offensive when i am in the lead or when i see i am struggling with chances on goal, especially away against good teams, and its working great and i dont see all that frenetic rush to score. Just my 2 cents here for an otherwise great tactic !!!

I've thought about it but I prefer to see my team missing a lot of chances than letting the ball to my opponent.
Tell us if you see better results with offensive. It will be difficult to improve mine...
 
I've thought about it but I prefer to see my team missing a lot of chances than letting the ball to my opponent.
Tell us if you see better results with offensive. It will be difficult to improve mine...

But really there is not much to improve at all :) Its just that on a personal side i like to see my team play nice football too and just "hate" to see all those chances wasted in a really sloppy way due to rush. But maybe thats the whole point of the tactic to work in this way. I am just very curious, and here is all my point, to see how much you loose (or gain who knows) in performance, by reducing mentality one notch. My theory or utopia (maybe) is that if you got a wonder team maybe by reducing a bit the speed of everything you could actually turn those huge error numbers in an increase of goal numbers. I really dont know how the tempo works for FM new versions and i had no time to test it appart from 2 games in which i had good results.
 
Did some really fast testing and i think its better you leave the mentality in overload. Anyways its the principle on which it is made and why it works good. But i think you can play with mentality with some success during the game, especially if you are missing loads of shots or if you see the other team sieging you. In most cases reducing to offensive helped me a lot.
 
But the only real issue is that of the gameplay when you see how really in a sloppy way most of the chances are wasted. I agree that a lot is due from the shoot from distance but others look like they are really rushed due to the overload mentality. I guess everybody here remembers the old FM and the tempo rule :) I am trying now to switch to offensive when i am in the lead or when i see i am struggling with chances on goal, especially away against good teams, and its working great and i dont see all that frenetic rush to score. Just my 2 cents here for an otherwise great tactic !!!

But really there is not much to improve at all :) Its just that on a personal side i like to see my team play nice football too and just "hate" to see all those chances wasted in a really sloppy way due to rush. But maybe thats the whole point of the tactic to work in this way. I am just very curious, and here is all my point, to see how much you loose (or gain who knows) in performance, by reducing mentality one notch. My theory or utopia (maybe) is that if you got a wonder team maybe by reducing a bit the speed of everything you could actually turn those huge error numbers in an increase of goal numbers. I really dont know how the tempo works for FM new versions and i had no time to test it appart from 2 games in which i had good results.

When i'm winning by 3 or 2 (depending on opponent), i change the FBs that are in automatic, thus having the mentality chosen by the main tactic, to support and the d-line gets much more stability, without loosing attacking efficiency.


Changing the mentality to attack will make the team slower, concerning all movements, because they are not eager to get the ball (overload mentality has this is the description).
Having a mid of 3, with no support from the 3 upfront will make the team unstable (the 3 in the mid have to cover the FBs) and less speed is putted in getting the ball. Most of the shoots i receive are from combinations (1 -2s) in the mid, with no support from the attackers and it does not result in more goals against me because im that god! :D

So, to put attacking instead of overload you would have to get the 2 F9 from left and right to track down the FBs, making them unavailable to pressure the 2 in the mid (opponent CBs) and gain leverage, drag them out of position to the lines, etc. You may try them as raumdauters in AML/AMR position and see if it works, but as definition, this role don't defend, so it wouldn't track down the FBs....

Im trying to recreate this tactic with one in the back. Yes one (1)! Then in the DMC position, 2 HB and the rest and it is. In theory, the pressing in the mid will be so huge that i will recover the ball very quickly in the opponent midfield and if i loose the ball in the midfield, i will have 3 CBs.

Care to try this with attacking mentality to see if you have more balance?
 
When i'm winning by 3 or 2 (depending on opponent), i change the FBs that are in automatic, thus having the mentality chosen by the main tactic, to support and the d-line gets much more stability, without loosing attacking efficiency.


Changing the mentality to attack will make the team slower, concerning all movements, because they are not eager to get the ball (overload mentality has this is the description).
Having a mid of 3, with no support from the 3 upfront will make the team unstable (the 3 in the mid have to cover the FBs) and less speed is putted in getting the ball. Most of the shoots i receive are from combinations (1 -2s) in the mid, with no support from the attackers and it does not result in more goals against me because im that god! :D

So, to put attacking instead of overload you would have to get the 2 F9 from left and right to track down the FBs, making them unavailable to pressure the 2 in the mid (opponent CBs) and gain leverage, drag them out of position to the lines, etc. You may try them as raumdauters in AML/AMR position and see if it works, but as definition, this role don't defend, so it wouldn't track down the FBs....

Im trying to recreate this tactic with one in the back. Yes one (1)! Then in the DMC position, 2 HB and the rest and it is. In theory, the pressing in the mid will be so huge that i will recover the ball very quickly in the opponent midfield and if i loose the ball in the midfield, i will have 3 CBs.

Care to try this with attacking mentality to see if you have more balance?

U should try tweak it.. good work
 
When i'm winning by 3 or 2 (depending on opponent), i change the FBs that are in automatic, thus having the mentality chosen by the main tactic, to support and the d-line gets much more stability, without loosing attacking efficiency.


Changing the mentality to attack will make the team slower, concerning all movements, because they are not eager to get the ball (overload mentality has this is the description).
Having a mid of 3, with no support from the 3 upfront will make the team unstable (the 3 in the mid have to cover the FBs) and less speed is putted in getting the ball. Most of the shoots i receive are from combinations (1 -2s) in the mid, with no support from the attackers and it does not result in more goals against me because im that god! :D

So, to put attacking instead of overload you would have to get the 2 F9 from left and right to track down the FBs, making them unavailable to pressure the 2 in the mid (opponent CBs) and gain leverage, drag them out of position to the lines, etc. You may try them as raumdauters in AML/AMR position and see if it works, but as definition, this role don't defend, so it wouldn't track down the FBs....

Im trying to recreate this tactic with one in the back. Yes one (1)! Then in the DMC position, 2 HB and the rest and it is. In theory, the pressing in the mid will be so huge that i will recover the ball very quickly in the opponent midfield and if i loose the ball in the midfield, i will have 3 CBs.

Care to try this with attacking mentality to see if you have more balance?

Sorry i dident understand very well from your message which are your changes to the original. Could you make a simple list of the changes role by role ? I am old lol Or if you already made e file you can give me a dwld link. I have no problem in testing it even if lately i dont have to much free time.
 
With this tactic i am on a 14-1-1 record in PL with goals 58-10! Awesome results! My loss was in an uexpected away game agaist a small team (1 bad game) and my draw against barcelona, whom i eliminated in the next game with a 5-0 home win!
 
go bk to that tactic.. since u dont have any succes with this... u might not be smart enough to use this prober..
No need to be rude here. I just pointed out, that the old El Diablo had nothing to do with being smart, it was a real exploit tactic, the one you have made is good, but not even close to exploit the ME
 
in my second years i have won evething in italy with Roma but in champions leguea no good and i have a good team.
 
Sorry i dident understand very well from your message which are your changes to the original. Could you make a simple list of the changes role by role ? I am old lol Or if you already made e file you can give me a dwld link. I have no problem in testing it even if lately i dont have to much free time.

The changes in the tactic as it is is just putting one CB as HB and the DMC as HB, using the same PIs (if any, i didn't check it) that the DMC have (which don't conflit with the HB, ofc).

So, you will have:
Gk
RB;CB;LB
HB;HB
MC;MC
F9;F9;F9

OK?
 
The changes in the tactic as it is is just putting one CB as HB and the DMC as HB, using the same PIs (if any, i didn't check it) that the DMC have (which don't conflit with the HB, ofc).

So, you will have:
Gk
RB;CB;LB
HB;HB
MC;MC
F9;F9;F9

OK?
Ok so that would look like a 3-2-2-3 ?
 
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