Im a big fan of Huddlestone! I agree, there is nobody else England do have which is the reason they will never win a major trophy. No depth nor quality in certain areas. I wouldn't want to depend on James Milner in a game against one of the top seeded nations.
really not as simple as that, apart from the fact we have players out, its not how they look on paper, but how they perform.
perfectly good trio there, its a step for Cleverley but if he can continue his United start, he is more than capable. Parker is a very good player, and Rooney is simply one of the best 10's on the planet
To be honest, Parker is so over-rated. Fair enough, he is a quality player. But its the team he's playing for, he looks good playing for West Ham. He was never anything special at Newcastle or his short stay at Chelsea. Any player can look good in a poor team. Much like Francis Jeffers when he played at Everton and Mateja Kezman at PSV. Good players can look good when playing alongside poor players.
Rooney is the best player there, hands down. I certainly wouldn't like to see Cleverley in my starting 11. Such a fuss is being made of him this season, its easy to look good when your playing for what looks to be an astonishingly good United side.
To be honest, Parker is so over-rated. Fair enough, he is a quality player. But its the team he's playing for, he looks good playing for West Ham. He was never anything special at Newcastle or his short stay at Chelsea. Any player can look good in a poor team. Much like Francis Jeffers when he played at Everton and Mateja Kezman at PSV. Good players can look good when playing alongside poor players.
Rooney is the best player there, hands down. I certainly wouldn't like to see Cleverley in my starting 11. Such a fuss is being made of him this season, its easy to look good when your playing for what looks to be an astonishingly good United side.#
So it's easy to look good in a poor team, but also easy to look good in a good side? Parker is the best destroyer in the current squad, I'm not sure who you would have replace him? Cleverley is inexperienced and maybe somewhat a gamble but he has started off the season well and deserves to be there.
Who would you select in midfield if not Cleverley and Parker?
Sorry, but the bit about Cleverley is nonsense, since his passing and movement has actually been key to how we've been playing. Thats why we've looked so good. Parker isnt over rated either, very tidy for England, wins tackles and makes the short accurate passes, exactly what he's supposed to do. He is a big part of the reason we're "astonishingly good"
So it's easy to look good in a poor team, but also easy to look good in a good side? Parker is the best destroyer in the current squad, I'm not sure who you would have replace him? Cleverley is inexperienced and maybe somewhat a gamble but he has started off the season well and deserves to be there.
Who would you select in midfield if not Cleverley and Parker?
Well i stick with what i said. If you take a CM partnership of Cleverley and Parker.. compare that to of the top 10 ranked countries in the world. Not even close. On paper and how they play is just not good enough for a nation that always has expectations beyond its ability.
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Read my first post and you would know. I said they may be the best they can play, but that doesn't take away the fact that they are mediocre to average. Why would you want a 'destroyer' and an 'inexperienced' CM partnership. That won't be the case though, Capello will start Barry.
Well i stick with what i said. If you take a CM partnership of Cleverley and Parker.. compare that to of the top 10 ranked countries in the world. Not even close. On paper and how they play is just not good enough for a nation that always has expectations beyond its ability.
Not the whole nation. Only the stupid media and some fans that get carried away. I think most people on here would agree admit we are way off the level of Spain/ Germany etc. Not everyone thinks England should be winning every tournament.
Remember that is not our strongest midfield trio. We have some players to come back eg Wilshere/ Thudd. It is only for these two games, and it should be more than enough to cope with Wales and Bulgaria.
Except Cleverley isnt mediocre and neither is Parker.
You can stick with what you say, we've clearly just poked big holes in it.
Not the whole nation. Only the stupid media and some fans that get carried away. I think most people on here would agree admit we are way off the level of Spain/ Germany etc. Not everyone thinks England should be winning every tournament.
Remember that is not our strongest midfield trio. We have some players to come back eg Wilshere/ Thudd. It is only for these two games, and it should be more than enough to cope with Wales and Bulgaria.
I disagree. Cleverley has played 4 games for United and people are ramping on like he's a superstar. He was on par at Wigan, be honest.. coming into the United team he has Nani, Young, Welbeck and Rooney etc making him look good.
Wilshere will be a starter when fit, the real question will be his partner. And being an Italian it will undoubtably be a defensive midfielder like Barry who Capello seems to like.
Clearly you have no idea then, cos he wasnt playing central for Wigan.... he is for United, and where do you think the supply for the those players comes from? Him, average 50 passes a game with 91% accuracy, fufilling the role of the passer perfectly so far. Never heard so much nonsense. How can they make him look good, when he's the one giving them the ball?
I give up this argument because its obvious we both have very different opinions which won't be changed. Also, you can make lots of passes when you pass to the defence or to others when they come deep for the ball.
Well i stick with what i said. If you take a CM partnership of Cleverley and Parker.. compare that to of the top 10 ranked countries in the world. Not even close. On paper and how they play is just not good enough for a nation that always has expectations beyond its ability.
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Read my first post and you would know. I said they may be the best they can play, but that doesn't take away the fact that they are mediocre to average. Why would you want a 'destroyer' and an 'inexperienced' CM partnership. That won't be the case though, Capello will start Barry.
I give up this argument because its obvious we both have very different opinions which won't be changed. Also, you can make lots of passes when you pass to the defence or to others when they come deep for the ball.
Indeed. We all know about Parker, and Cleverley performed against City, Spurs and Arsenal. If he plays the same way he will cause all sorts f trouble
he has averaged 50 passes per game, with a 91% accuracy. Possession