Euro 2012 Match Discussion Thread

[Mike.]

I guess he just accidently had a class better stats over Gomez, while having less apps , in a lesser team(they may have finished 3rd but they're nowhere near dominative position Bayern has), all while playing in far more competetive league. Aye?

If you want to pick on "primadonnas", you might want to rage over Robben who has shitiest couple of months of his career, sinking both his club and his national side. But then he doesn't play in Prem so i guess he's off the hook.

Not forgetting Robben actually had a strop when taken off.

Insanity, no offence, but you are starting to looking pretty silly and increasingly childish with your massive bias, especially when everyone else (despite supporting teams across all the leagues) is not childishly trying to promote one league over another, mainly because it has nothing to do with the Euros.

This goes for everyone. Its a place to discuss the Euros, not vent your hatred of something because you happen to disagree with who or where they play.

 

[Alcaraz]

Courtois needs to play in the Prem before he is ready. Like De Gea he doesnt get tested aerially. And that is something he needs to experience, also like De Gea, he is still very slight, because he is obviously still very young.

Your right but he does not make sense to drop him in the PLM cauldron right away after one good season at a top league. He is only 20 and at this age he needs regular games at a top level which he is getting at Atletico Madrid. Once he is built up sufficient top-level experience then I am sure Chelsea will recall him and bed him in slowly for the PLM. He has a lot of time ahead of so their is no point rushing his development

 

[Alcaraz]

Courteous? Lol.

Cech is declining, you give him a four year contract but have a keeper who you call "Courteous" but it is actually Courtois who has been magnificent this season with bags of potential and Cech has had question marks towards him throughout times this season, not later than that Muller goal in the CL Final, which despite the joy of Chelsea fans, it definitely was an error not to save that.

Why give a declining keeper a four year contract when you have Courtois who is at a similar level already, should be giving him the first choice gloves, if not now (which it should be) then definitely next season...

Was not that impressed with Germany, the two goals they scored was down to poor defensive positioning.

I do not understand your point at all. Courtois has had one good season at a top league and suddenly your saying he is better than Cech. Did you not see De Gea this season? Despite playing in the La Liga for 2-3 seasons he struggled in the PLM and could very well have been warming the bench throughout the whole season had Lindegaard not got injured. Courtois is only 20 and their is no point dropping him into the PLM cauldron right away where he will be subjected to massive pressure and will most likely struggle initially

Still dont see why you think Courtois>Cech... Its like saying RVP>Rooney because RVP had one fantastic season excluding the fact that Rooney has been consistently good over a prolonged period of time

And as I said Cech hardly makes mistakes, that Mueller goal was not a mistake anyways. Even GKs like Hart and Neur make as many mistakes as Cech but you will not criticize them will you?

And in conclusion, Courtois is only 20. Plenty of time ahead of him. Making him our first-choice now would be a terrible mistake.

 

[mccollio09]

AH bollocks, site just reloaded on me as I was typing it but basic message was re Robben, ****, selfish, cost Bayern the CL, probably cost Holland their group qualification, no team mentality. I'm not even Dutch and he is starting to **** me off. I remember a very different player at Chelsea that had more than one trick in his bag (cut inside, shoot from distance every freaking time). I think he has got worse as a footballer since.

Rant over

 

[Alcaraz]

AH bollocks, site just reloaded on me as I was typing it but basic message was re Robben, ****, selfish, cost Bayern the CL, probably cost Holland their group qualification, no team mentality. I'm not even Dutch and he is starting to **** me off. I remember a very different player at Chelsea that had more than one trick in his bag (cut inside, shoot from distance every freaking time). I think he has got worse as a footballer since.

Rant over

I agree he can be very frustrating for any team... Even in the CL finals he would try to take on our defence by himself most of time. He is a idiot who should be benched

 

[zzeezzy]

I do not understand your point at all. Courtois has had one good season at a top league and suddenly your saying he is better than Cech. Did you not see De Gea this season? Despite playing in the La Liga for 2-3 seasons he struggled in the PLM and could very well have been warming the bench throughout the whole season had Lindegaard not got injured. Courtois is only 20 and their is no point dropping him into the PLM cauldron right away where he will be subjected to massive pressure and will most likely struggle initially

Still dont see why you think Courtois>Cech... Its like saying RVP>Rooney because RVP had one fantastic season excluding the fact that Rooney has been consistently good over a prolonged period of time

And as I said Cech hardly makes mistakes, that Mueller goal was not a mistake anyways. Even GKs like Hart and Neur make as many mistakes as Cech but you will not criticize them will you?

And in conclusion, Courtois is only 20. Plenty of time ahead of him. Making him our first-choice now would be a terrible mistake.

Maybe now would be too soon, but if not now then definitely next season (2013-2014). I can't see how any Keeper would want to be loaned out for another four years until Cech finally lets go, personally I think Cech will not last another four years at the top level, two at the very most.

 

[Tyton]

AH bollocks, site just reloaded on me as I was typing it but basic message was re Robben, ****, selfish, cost Bayern the CL, probably cost Holland their group qualification, no team mentality. I'm not even Dutch and he is starting to **** me off. I remember a very different player at Chelsea that had more than one trick in his bag (cut inside, shoot from distance every freaking time). I think he has got worse as a footballer since.

Rant over

Yup. He cost Bayern both the CL, and German League title. With dreadful finishing, missing another penalty, and ruining offside trap that cost Bayern a goal, all during key game vs. BVB.

 

[Alcaraz]

Maybe now would be too soon, but if not now then definitely next season (2013-2014). I can't see how any Keeper would want to be loaned out for another four years until Cech finally lets go, personally I think Cech will not last another four years at the top level, two at the very most.

i can understand that if Courtois was on loan at Blackpool or something but he is currently playing for a good club at the highest level and challenging in Europe. Plus he has come out and said he does not mind being on loan for another 5 years... Very intelligent lad and you should check his interviews

 

[Quasit]

i can understand that if Courtois was on loan at Blackpool or something but he is currently playing for a good club at the highest level and challenging in Europe. Plus he has come out and said he does not mind being on loan for another 5 years... Very intelligent lad and you should check his interviews

Yeap Courtois knows whats best for his career. I think this next season with Athletico and next with West Ham perhaps and then he'd be pretty good for Chelsea.

 

[zzeezzy]

i can understand that if Courtois was on loan at Blackpool or something but he is currently playing for a good club at the highest level and challenging in Europe. Plus he has come out and said he does not mind being on loan for another 5 years... Very intelligent lad and you should check his interviews

I still see no real problem getting him in the first team a.s.a.p and developing him in this league, Spanish league is totally different physicality wise. Cech is not exactly the great keeper he once was anymore but is still good, declining though.

 

[Alcaraz]

I still see no real problem getting him in the first team a.s.a.p and developing him in this league, Spanish league is totally different physicality wise. Cech is not exactly the great keeper he once was anymore but is still good, declining though.

lol did you see De Gea this season? He struggled massively and would have been warming the bench had Lindegaard not got injured. And this was a keeper who had been playing 2-3 years in the La Liga. Shows how important it is for Courtois to be bedded in slowly rather than being thrown right into the league

 

[zzeezzy]

lol did you see De Gea this season? He struggled massively and would have been warming the bench had Lindegaard not got injured. And this was a keeper who had been playing 2-3 years in the La Liga. Shows how important it is for Courtois to be bedded in slowly rather than being thrown right into the league

If anything you have just proved my point, loaning him out to Atletico is giving him experience, but is not improving the aspects that need to be improved if he is going to come in and be Chelsea no.1 in a much more demanding/physical league. Loaning him out to ATM would give him more experience.. but would not develop the areas needed for the BPL.

De Gea struggled at the start of the season, but Fergie always had faith in him and Lindegaard was never going to be the no.1 keeper all season, Fergie knew that De Gea would come good once he got to grips with the league and indeed he did.

 

[Alcaraz]

If anything you have just proved my point, loaning him out to Atletico is giving him experience, but is not improving the aspects that need to be improved if he is going to come in and be Chelsea no.1 in a much more demanding/physical league. Loaning him out to ATM would give him more experience.. but would not develop the areas needed for the BPL.

De Gea struggled at the start of the season, but Fergie always had faith in him and Lindegaard was never going to be the no.1 keeper all season, Fergie knew that De Gea would come good once he got to grips with the league and indeed he did.

Throwing him into th league right away is not the way to do it either. Just because De Gea managed to come good does not mean

will in one season. For all you know is confidence might shatter after his bad performances and he might never be the same again.

 

[Tyton]

Fergie knew that De Gea would come good once he got to grips with the league and indeed he did.

SAF's record with goalkeepers is somewhat hit and miss, so i wouldn't write it all as "SAFs great plan" that came into fruition.

 

[Vanjagl]

Nevermind XD
Anyway, SAF signed some great GK's, Schmeichel and Bartez. Howard isn't bad either. Foster is decent too. Rob Zieler came out good too, so I have confidence in his GK judgment.

 

[LFCMarshall]

BBC Sport - Euro 2012: England delusional - ex-Sweden captain Jonas Thern

Jonas Thern former Sweden captain, saying England are Predictable and basically not that good!

Had to laugh.... although in some sense he speak truth, how he thinks Sweden are better than England is beyond me

 

[zzeezzy]

BBC Sport - Euro 2012: England delusional - ex-Sweden captain Jonas Thern

Jonas Thern former Sweden captain, saying England are Predictable and basically not that good!

Had to laugh.... although in some sense he speak truth, how he thinks Sweden are better than England is beyond me

What he fails to realise is despite France's dominance in the game, England arguably had the best chances.

 

[CJACKO11]

I still see no real problem getting him in the first team a.s.a.p and developing him in this league, Spanish league is totally different physicality wise. Cech is not exactly the great keeper he once was anymore but is still good, declining though.

He is 30, last season was one of his best at Chelsea. Some keepers don't peck until they are 33+!!!

 

[CJACKO11]

If anything you have just proved my point, loaning him out to Atletico is giving him experience, but is not improving the aspects that need to be improved if he is going to come in and be Chelsea no.1 in a much more demanding/physical league. Loaning him out to ATM would give him more experience.. but would not develop the areas needed for the BPL.

De Gea struggled at the start of the season, but Fergie always had faith in him and Lindegaard was never going to be the no.1 keeper all season, Fergie knew that De Gea would come good once he got to grips with the league and indeed he did.

One huge thing you seem to be forgetting. Quite simply that Courtois is not De Gea!!!! To say the same thing will happen to him is just guessing, nothing more.

 

[slbenficacoach]

I have heard like 3 or 4 dutchy players stating their utmost certainty, saying they will beat Portugal..
With that sort of confidence, I would be careful...